Paranoia or security......

[FullMoonWolf]

I agree with most of what Fox says. Poverty breeds terrorism. Its not just in the Middle East either. Africa and South America have their own problems. Go out and rent the movie "City Of God" and watch the documentary at the end of the film. The street gangs are everywhere in cities like Brazil. Kids running around with M16's shooting cops.

How many times has the U.S. and Britains' war planes bombed out villages trying to flush out just a few terrorists. A few months ago it happened in Pakistan. Bad military intelliegence does not bring back a mother's dead child. Every innocent father that dies in front of his son creates a new terrorist over time.
Sure, there's a shitload of evil motherfuckers out there that rape, steal and kill innocents every day but is it the job of the United States to police the entire world? Recently a panel of Middle East experts gathered together with Bush and suggested splitting up Iraq into three divided sections. The Shiites, Kurds and Sunnis would all have their own territory. Bush immediately stated " Really not an option."
Hm-mmmm....so, not only is Bush the decider of this country's future he also seems to be the sole decider of Iraq's. Even some of the actual Shiite, Kurd and Sunni leaders expressed support for the idea.

Face it everyone, the USA is in Iraq til Bush is out in 2008. End of story. He will do everything in his power to prove he is right and make his daddy proud.
It's a shame that the bodies will keep piling up til then...on both sides.

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

"Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim" ~ Carl I. Hagen.

The quote, unfortunately, is a showpiece of ignorance, Dave.
Please go through the list of known terrorist organisations:

Source:
1. Wikipedia
2. Dudley Knox Library, the Naval Postgraduate School, the United States Navy and its affiliates
3. U.S. Department of State.

More:

So I have to agree to disagree with you.

dd

 

[Peter Gazinya]

LadyLove even says, and she's a rational, smart woman, that it's only paranoia if there's nothing to really fear. She's scared, half the people on this board are scared, half the Americans I meet are scared, for every one of us that says "fuck them, I'm not scared", or who sees through the lies, there are plenty of us who are scared shitless. The whole "we Americans are ____" statement is kind of useless, because everyone feels differently about pretty much everything... but as for being scared of terrorism, it's a very common and important thread in the American psyché right now, and perhaps in England too, to a lesser extent.

God, I hope that's not the case. I really think it's just media sensationalism at the implicit behest of the Bush Administration, the typical "scare 'em to death so they don't notice the REAL harm we are doing to the common man (see, I am NOT a Bush supporter AT ALL)". Other than that, NOBODY I talk to could give a flying fuck about terrorism and are not in the least bit worried about it. If every stupid fucking news show didn't try to tell everyone that they're scared, no one would give it a second thought.

 

[dave_rhino]

The quote, unfortunately, is a showpiece of ignorance, Dave.
Please go through the list of known terrorist organisations:

Source:
1. Wikipedia
2. Dudley Knox Library, the Naval Postgraduate School, the United States Navy and its affiliates
3. U.S. Department of State.

More:

So I have to agree to disagree with you.

dd

i think your looking at it too litrally. I dont agree 100% with the quote, and yes i know there are many terrorist organisations out there which are not muslim, but in this case they are.
I only put this quote because CitizenErased said "the 'Racial profiling' apparently happening at airports is disgusting."... It might be offensive and slightly "disgusting", but its something that needs to be done.

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

I only put this quote because CitizenErased said "the 'Racial profiling' apparently happening at airports is disgusting."... It might be offensive and slightly "disgusting", but its something that needs to be done.

Dave, I'm from a country where terrorist attack is almost a daily occurance. Very recently more than 300 lives were lost in a serial blast. And the perpetrators, unfortunately, are muslims, aided by a country very close to USA.

But take my word for it, we don't discriminate on the basis of religion. No extra search, no looking askance, just because a person is Muslim by religion. There definitely is discremination, but that too is done by another religion's militant group, and not by general people or the state machinery.

So your argument don't stand up to scrutiny.
Regards

dd

 

[CitizenErased]

i think your looking at it too litrally. I dont agree 100% with the quote, and yes i know there are many terrorist organisations out there which are not muslim, but in this case they are.
I only put this quote because CitizenErased said "the 'Racial profiling' apparently happening at airports is disgusting."... It might be offensive and slightly "disgusting", but its something that needs to be done.

No it doesn't need to be done as it won't work. What about the Muslim converts who might be white, oriental, black? But hey sorry I forgot, it's the brown persons fault.

 

[Peter Gazinya]

But I also think there's a huge portion of America, especially those outside the cities, who put a lot of faith - way too much - in mainstream media.

No doubt about that. This country is 90% idiots: Proof - have you watched TV in America lately? If that's popular then we're very stupid. And for that reason Fox, I fear nothing will ever change. The masses will be forever led blindly by those who so easily blind them.

 

[calpoon]

blah blah blah. does terrorism exist? putting all politcal rhetoric aside, yes it does. is it really that big of a deal in terms of global impact? no, not really. in pretty much every broad implication, the response to terrorism has had a substantially higher effect than the acts of terrorism themselves. i'll leave it at that. I'm sick of butting heads about this go-nowhere issue.

but one thing that I DID find offensive, and I want to know? Why do you say the Black Panther Party are terrorists? since they are merely a self policing organization, and there use of violence is in fact far less than that of state sanctioned groups, if you want to say that, you'd have to say that the Police department is a terrorist organization.

 

[Member2019]

Fighting for equality? Or self-centered considerations?

The problem is that the days of "fighting for equality" are now gone. It's now become special-interest non-sense and "what should I be given to 'make it even'"?

I think that very attitude, "what should I be given to 'make it even'" is at the very heart of inequality. You never make things "even" by denying someone else.

 

[EvaForU]

You realize what you are stating here, don't you?
George W Bush was a democratically elected president. Point me what kind of crimes he has comitted with valid proofs and not with argument a la nightfly or a la brino because like every far leftist/ultra liberal all you know to do is blaming someone for something which is not true.
Israel government terrorist? On which planet are you? In softie wonderland?
Israel was attacked by Hezbollah who abducted two of its soldiers so wrecking the shit out of Hezbollah is normal. Perhaps according to your logic Hezbollah is a charitable organization? If yes then you are very far from reality.
Add also to your terrorist list:
-The Red Khmers with Pol Pot
-The Black Panthers
-Gangs
-Chavez
-Poutine with what he has done in Chechenya

regards

georges

the red khemers are in my list (red hemeres..sorry i am not english)

if you include putin i include bush...of course,putin is also a terrorist..Putin is also democratically elected but he commited terrorism of State acts...yes,terrorism of state is also a kind of terrorism(Hitler also was elected democratically)

israel gobernement has made ilegl acts against resolutions of UNO for years...that is terrorism...adn attacking innocent civilians in Lebanon for the kidnapp of two soldiers???? which person mentally sane would do that????? nobody...

Kisses:

EVA

PS-i don´t like Chavez but..what act of terrorism did he commited??????

PPS-i don´t deffend Hezbollah..where have you read that i defend them???? you are speculating about my political ideas when you have no idea about which they are...

 

[FullMoonWolf]

Isreal and America are so tightly up each others ass that they would do anything for each other. IMO, Israel got the "green light" from the U.S. to go into Lebanon and chase down Hezbollah over these two kidnapped Israeli soldiers.
This "mini-war" helped deplete Hezbollah of some of their ammunition to prepare for the U.S. going into Iran and bombing Iran's nuke facilites.
This is all tied together.
Its only going to get bloodier.

 

[georges]

the red khemers are in my list (red hemeres..sorry i am not english)

if you include putin i include bush...of course,putin is also a terrorist..Putin is also democratically elected but he commited terrorism of State acts...yes,terrorism of state is also a kind of terrorism(Hitler also was elected democratically)

israel gobernement has made ilegl acts against resolutions of UNO for years...that is terrorism...adn attacking innocent civilians in Lebanon for the kidnapp of two soldiers???? which person mentally sane would do that????? nobody...

Kisses:

EVA

PS-i don´t like Chavez but..what act of terrorism did he commited??????

PPS-i don´t deffend Hezbollah..where have you read that i defend them???? you are speculating about my political ideas when you have no idea about which they are...

Who sells weapon to Iran now? Putin. Who built and helped Iran to build its nuclear plants? Putin. Who massacred civilians in Chechenya? Putin
Bush removed Saddam from Iraq and it was good thing. Fighting against the Talibans in Afghanistan was also a good thing.
The problem is that the Hamas and the Hezbollah never respected UN Resolutions too. They never respected them in fact because they are radical islamist terrorists. The UN is a worthless organization. Who kidnapped the two soliders? Terrorists from the Hezbollah. I can understand Israel point of view, Hezbollah abducting soldiers is not a way to make peace and you also forgot to mention that terrorists from the Hezbollah were hiding themselves among civilians so they can show that the victims suffered as martyrs.
p.s: In your previous you didn't mention Hezbollah which is what lead me to think you didn't consider it as a terrorist organization.

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

The problem is that the Hamas and the Hezbollah never respected UN Resolutions too. They never respected them in fact because they are radical islamist terrorists. The UN is a worthless organization. Who kidnapped the two soliders? Terrorists from the Hezbollah. I can understand Israel point of view, Hezbollah abducting soldiers is not a way to make peace and you also forgot to mention that terrorists from the Hezbollah were hiding themselves among civilians so they can show that the victims suffered as martyrs.

If non-respect of UN resolution is the criteria then I think Israel is the most disrespectful country in that sense. Because USA vetoed UN resolutions against Israel 35 times, (Yes George, You have read correctly, 35 Times) Israel never had to respect UN sanctions.

But, then if Israel is guilty, then who is guiltier? The only name that crops up in my mind is USA who abused its power of Veto in UN. But its nothing new to USA. They had gone against the UN resolution while bombing Vietnam with Napalm.

dd

And Go through these:

UN & Israel

Fisk

Fisk Video

Chavez

 

[lordvader1]

So our troops serving this country in which so many of you live and take your freedoms for granted our terrorists huh?? Well Fox and others like I posted before my 2nd flaming ban....walk up to a Marine who just came home from fighting a war for a year and call him a terrorist, I fuckin dare you. I'll bet you troop haters will be running away in "terror" with shit pouring out of your pants after what they do to you. Or better yet tell some poor widow who just lost her husband in Iraq while standing there with her 2 small children that her husband was a terrorist. None of you would have the balls. If it wasn't for these guys fighting these madmen and women you wouldn't have the freedoms you so cherish today. Show some god damn respect where it's due!!
Someone said something about racial profiling at airports is disgusting? What do you expect? Like it or not every Arab is suspect until proven innocent in todays world. Like it or not if you ask a person on the street what nationality a terrorist is I'll bet 9/10 the person would say Arab. It's just the way it is and you politically correct people are going to have to suck it up. All of your bitching and protesting won't change a thing until these people stop flying planes into buildings.
I still haven't see definitive facts yet on how President Bush is a terrorist.

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

If it wasn't for these guys fighting these madmen and women you wouldn't have the freedoms you so cherish today. Show some god damn respect where it's due!!

I was there, and have done that. Served in Army, I mean. I have faced bullets but haven't shat in my pants. And that gives me every right to say, that, when in war each soldier becomes a killer, not because he loves his country, but because he loves himself more. Each one is scared shitless when he hears the whine of the bullet going by. Thanks but no thanks buddy, I don't need any advice on this, because I know, if asked, the same marine will agree with me. When in war, in our mind we all are terrorists. But his wife may not. To her he is a hero. And that's understandable. We don't brag about our cowardice.

Like it or not every Arab is suspect until proven innocent in todays world. Like it or not if you ask a person on the street what nationality a terrorist is I'll bet 9/10 the person would say Arab. It's just the way it is and you politically correct people are going to have to suck it up. All of your bitching and protesting won't change a thing until these people stop flying planes into buildings.

Thats your perspective. I think, though you're a US citizen, you are not a believer in democracy. If you are right, then all those 9 men out of 10 is not too. Because in democracy, "A man is innocent, until proven guilty." I thought US is a country of free press. Thank you for correcting my mistake.

Regards
dd

 

[lordvader1]

I was there, and have done that. Served in Army, I mean. I have faced bullets but haven't shat in my pants. And that gives me every right to say, that, when in war each soldier becomes a killer, not because he loves his country, but because he loves himself more. Each one is scared shitless when he hears the whine of the bullet going by. Thanks but no thanks buddy, I don't need any advice on this, because I know, if asked, the same marine will agree with me. When in war, in our mind we all are terrorists. But his wife may not. To her he is a hero. And that's understandable. We don't brag about our cowardice.



Thats your perspective. I think, though you're a US citizen, you are not a believer in democracy. If you are right, then all those 9 men out of 10 is not too. Because in democracy, "A man is innocent, until proven guilty." I thought US is a country of free press. Thank you for correcting my mistake.

Regards
dd

So you like people calling you a terrorist? Contrary to what you say about soldiers, 2 guys I work worth just came back from Iraq and have been put down for fighting in the war. Just like Vietnam vets they have been called baby killers etc. Tell you what they don't like it and it pisses them off. They feel like they are not getting the respect and honor which they deserve. I far as I can tell and I know them good they don't see themselves as terrorists so I can't really understand what you're talking about. So you didn't join the Army to fight for the ideals and uphold the democracy of your country you fought for yourself? I guess all the books I've read and all the documenteries I've watch about being a soldier and fighting for your country we bullshit. Sure you have to watch your back but give me a break.

I am a full believer in democracy. Now answer me a question, if you're boarding a plane and there are Arab on it, with all that's happening in the world the thought won't go through your mind even for a microsecond that one of them could be a terrorist wanting to blow you up? It's the image that they have put on themselves. The U.S. didn't do it, George Bush didn't do it, Tony Blair didn't do it. The Arab world has given themselves a bad rap and it's up to them to fix it.

 

[om3ga]

JITTERY British holidaymakers grounded an airliner in Cyprus for nearly a day when two British Muslims alarmed other passengers.

The Excel Airways flight from Larnaca to Manchester was due to leave Cyprus on Sunday - the anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks - but was cancelled after passengers refused to fly amid fears they were being targeted by bombers.

The scare began when two Muslim men, believed to be British of Pakistani origin, boarded the flight.

Passengers yesterday said cabin crew became suspicious when one of the men refused to leave the onboard toilet as the plane prepared for take-off.

When he finally emerged, he told a stewardess he had been praying.

The men were then removed from the aircraft and questioned by police, and the flight was cancelled after many of the passengers remaining on board refused to fly.

Details:
Two Muslims offloaded from plane as nervous passengers refuse to fly

 

[CitizenErased]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401419&in_page_id=1770

Another one, only this time in Spain. Two Arab looking men were thrown off a plane because of idiots refusing to board a plane with them.

What next? Shall all Asian looking people be locked indoors so that the pathetic morons who take the media too seriously can leave a scare free life. I'm sure the powers that be and media would just find a new enemy.

 

[Member2019]

People use prayer as an excuse not to listen to others. It's one thing to disrespect the religion of others. But it's another when people use their religion as an overriding excuse not to obey authorities -- even if they feel it's not warranted.

That was the root cause.

The whole reason why "school prayer" is such a big issue here in the US is because people use it as a defense. The majority of teachers have no problem with a student who prays before an exam. The problem is when the student ties up class time with his/her prayer.

And that's when all the political activists come out on all sides and make such a big deal about it.

 

[om3ga]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401419&in_page_id=1770

Another one, only this time in Spain. Two Arab looking men were thrown off a plane because of idiots refusing to board a plane with them.

What next? Shall all Asian looking people be locked indoors so that the pathetic morons who take the media too seriously can leave a scare free life. I'm sure the powers that be and media would just find a new enemy.

I was just about to post that story too (this is getting weird... ):

'Suspicious' pair taken off plane

Seriously though, I understand why some are calling this a new crime: "Travelling while Asian."