Outlawing guns in the US ...
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LOL @ hostile twisting. I asked you a question (please note the use of a question mark) about your words. I then editorialized about a plausible interpretation of your statement. Rather than being indignant, perhaps you could answer the original question so that I might better understand what you mean when you say
Facetious
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Semi Auto pistol or rifle ?
Are you kidding me ? Was an ATF Officer on site when this occurred ?
If The ATF can verify that he tampered with the firearm in an attempt to create an auto weapon, then yea, he's busted. Big time felony.
CYA CYA CYA !!
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Now you know what happened here. In 25 years of ownership, I have NEVER had a firearm do that. Mis feeds, incomplete ejections, sure, it happens, bad ammo or dirty weapon...but malfunctions of that type, I would need to be there to see it. In fact, I wouldn't even believe film footage, first hand proof is the only way I would believe that rifle wasn't tampered with. I have heard of guys that file parts down on pistols, so they fire faster for competition, and the gun firing 2 rounds with 1 trigger pull, but thats far from full auto, and it is still technically an alteration to the weapon. If it is some freak occurrence, I would have my lawyers foot knee deep in the rifle manufacturers ass for that bullshit. 3 years of Federal time, means 3 whole years, and a firearms violation like that, means no ownership ever again. It also means some serious civil action against the manufacturer as far as I'm concerned.
Facetious
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It all cost's money :o You could come out smelling like a rose freshly fired gun barrel, completely innocent of any wrongdoing and still incur legal fees in the five digit realm. The "__" T F is not to be messed with !
That's all I have on it.
Yea, the closest I've been, years ago ! is an M 14 / M1A - Milking the double stage trigger has a tendency to spit out doubles.
Back to the main spirit of the thread -
Picture this hypothetical scenario -
For the sake of this example, we'll use barak obamas' ministers namesake- US of KKKA for America.
• One Day all firearms are confiscated in the US of KKKA.
• The govt then offers citizens a confidential, "turn in your neighbor who didn't turn in his gun(s) program.
It is at this point where we're dominated by the fear that our neighbor, angry at us for getting water on his driveway could simply call a special confidential hot line . . . and all of the sudden, the storm troopers are booting your front door down and tearing your residence to smitherines only to find zero firearms.
Most if not all of the anti 2A types make judgments solely upon emotion and in the here and now, i.e. - yesterday - today - tomorrow (day). It's very difficult to get them thinking into the next decade, or generation for that matter. I try. :angels:
Be careful what and who you vote for. There may be some unforeseen consequences .
dave_rhino
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I don't understand why that's illegal :dunno: It's capable of killing someone if you tamper with it or not.
Yeah? Well fuck gunners too.
Fully automatic is not totally illegal but you need a very hard to get special permit to posess them.Machine guns are much more capable of doing damage due to there high rate of fire.Just think of the gangster movies and the thompson machine guns used in the 1920's.There is a whole industry of "kits" that are sold to convert semi-automatic weapons to being fully automatic machine guns.Personally I think the idea that any of the semi's could "accidently" become fully automatic is pretty unbeliveable.
And again the difference in firepower that a machine gun gives is immense.The Thompson I mentioned earlier had originally been developed for use in WW1 but the war ended before they could be put in use.That left a large inventory unsold.So they started selling them to the public,mainly to ranchers and such.Thats how they became available to the gangsters of the roaring 20s.
dave_rhino
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I see what you're saying. But my point is, you could have a pistol or an M4, if you point it at someones head and pull the trigger it will kill them. No matter how powerful. So why not make every gun illegal or hard to apply for a permit :dunno:
dick van cock
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If gun possession is a pillar of American freedom, why isn't a Fritzl lifestyle guaranteed by the constitution? Isn't that a restriction on your personal freedom, my American friends?
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Because the only person that would point a gun at another persons head and pull the trigger, is a criminal. Why should I, as a law abiding, tax paying citizen be punished for the acts of the lawless. That would be like taking away everyones car because some people might drive drunk...or outlawing pornography, because someone might get worked up and commit a sexual assault. Your right to police protection, IS NOT guaranteed to you under the the Constitution, but the right to defend yourself is.
Not that I am against the right to bear arms but I have to make a couple points.First comparing guns to things like cars is apples and oranges.While cars can kill that is not there main function as with guns it is.And again you can find nowhere in the writings of the founders who created the 2nd amendment that the right was based on any sort of self defense from crime arguement.It was all about being able to have recourse against an oppressive government.
I picked other.
Guns are engrained in society. I myself own several, but am pro gun banning. the only bans i do want though, are on assault weapons. theres no reason to have any fully automatic weapons in the civilian world. Other than that let people have their handguns and sawed offs and just hope nobody snaps and barricades themself in a bell tower again.
Guns are engrained in society. I myself own several, but am pro gun banning. the only bans i do want though, are on assault weapons. theres no reason to have any fully automatic weapons in the civilian world. Other than that let people have their handguns and sawed offs and just hope nobody snaps and barricades themself in a bell tower again.
title 2 weapons - scary! (to a tyrannical government) citizens beware.
due to it's relatively high rate of fire, the wheel lock was similarly restricted.
a message to my gun-loving friends: the people who work at the national rifle association will be out of a job if the 2nd amendment is upheld. please think about that before paying your dues.
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
The right to defend yourself. It isn't in the Second Amendment, The preamble, the 4th Amendment, you have the right to be secure, if that means you use a firearm, so be it...I've never been one to bring a knife to a gun fight. You're telling me I'm comparing apples to oranges, but it's not, the principle of punishing all, for the actions of a few...or appeasing the will of some, and denying the rights of the rest is the same no matter what the subject is. I don't look at a gun as a device to kill, I look at it, as a tool, a piece of art, a collectible, and I bet more law abiding gun owners then you think would share that point. I dismiss the argument that a gun was designed to kill. A gun doesn't kill, the person holding it does, and he/she could just as easily run you down in a car, or stab you, or bash your skull in with a rolling pin (mine is solid marble). Oh, and I personally would say that defending against an oppressive government is self defense. Not as common as an intruder, or mugger, but still self defense in my eyes.
Facetious
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^ Yea :thumbsup:
And if somebody doesn't think that I make up part of this "well regulated militia", then I'm an auxiliary !
Only aim a firearm at that which you wish to destroy. :dunno:
Really, Dave ! It's not that difficult for me to keep my sights off of things I wish not to destroy. Only in the ultimate defense of my life, my families life etc. would I ever consider such actions.
Do I carry a firearm in public ? No. Only when hunting will I carry a pistol.:thumbsup:
And if somebody doesn't think that I make up part of this "well regulated militia", then I'm an auxiliary !
Only aim a firearm at that which you wish to destroy. :dunno:
Really, Dave ! It's not that difficult for me to keep my sights off of things I wish not to destroy. Only in the ultimate defense of my life, my families life etc. would I ever consider such actions.
Do I carry a firearm in public ? No. Only when hunting will I carry a pistol.:thumbsup:
Not entirely true. They're not a criminal until they put that gun to someone's head and pull the trigger. Malicious thoughts are not against the law- carrying them out is.
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Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Not entirely true! Not all criminals start at the "point a gun at your head" level. What about the guy that starts out by breaking into unoccupied homes, then decides he isn't getting enough cash, so he ups the ante to armed robbery? He was clearly a criminal before he pointed that gun. I see your point, I really do, but my point is, the mind set of someone willing to point a gun for crime, is far different then the mindset of someone that wishes to insure their safety and well being. Anyone can snap, and do something deadly, the most rational of people are capable of rage, but lets face it, a lot of people end up stabbed or beaten because of it. A lot of cheating husbands have been run down by a pissed off wife in an SUV. But you're right, malicious thoughts aren't against the law, I guess there's a lot of people that should be glad for that, including me!
dave_rhino
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And still no one has given a decent answer for my question...
most guns are illegal for private citizens to own, and it is hard to apply for a permit.
