"Only In America"

[sean miguel]

No I suppose your right... if the rich were paid less & the poor were paid more how could that possibly help anyone??? :dunno: :bang:

That's what I'm getting at. Putting a cap on some executive's pay doesn't result in some poor person getting paid more. This isn't a zero sum game.
You know what it does result in? That poor person going "Haha, that CEO got screwed! Now back to my 40." And if CEO's didn't do but "fuck all" they wouldn't be paid millions by the SHAREHOLDERS who's money is at stake.

Politics aside (that's not what I'm even here for damnit), I do appreciate conversating with a straight up aussie fox.

Cheers.

 

[Lolita_Borgia]

That's what I'm getting at. Putting a cap on some executive's pay doesn't result in some poor person getting paid more. This isn't a zero sum game.
You know what it does result in? That poor person going "Haha, that CEO got screwed! Now back to my 40." And if CEO's didn't do but "fuck all" they wouldn't be paid millions by the SHAREHOLDERS who's money is at stake.

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Or it could be the beginning of a new social economic structure... but lets have it your pessimistic way. Obviously you have no problem with poverty stricken countries running factories under wealthy moguls who don't even pay the factory staff enough to feed & cloth their ******. This is while they spend $50 000 a night on a hotel suite or ****** $100 000 bets, maybe even pay the extortionate rate to shoot a near extinct ****** like the white tiger, why? Just because they can! Do you really think the board gives a fuck whether the CEO is actually working an 8 hr day??? As long as the company profits & the stocks are high they dont give a fuck... Go back to your cave & wank over something near the light of your fire but be careful not to set your balls alight!

 

[Lolita_Borgia]

Politics aside (that's not what I'm even here for damnit), I do appreciate conversating with a straight up aussie fox.

Cheers.

Thanks. I do like to make a cunt of myself on the odd occasion - just to spice things up a lil *hehe* xXx

 

[sean miguel]

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Do you really think the board gives a fuck whether the CEO is actually working an 8 hr day???

When the oil tanker Exxon Valdez ran aground in Alaska was the helmsman held responsible? No, the captain was ultimately responsible even though he was off duty (albeit ***** off his gourd) at the time. Someone has to lead and set the course/agenda. If there were no differences in CEOs and they served no significant purpose then none of them would get fired and they'd be paid the same as the janitors. What a CEO is paid is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall revenue of a corporation. But capping their pay is just another feel good measure that accomplishes NOTHING.

edit: ok I just saw your reply to my last post. peace? lol

You're still hot.

 

[Lolita_Borgia]

When the oil tanker Exxon Valdez ran aground in Alaska was the helmsman held responsible? No, the captain was ultimately responsible even though he was off duty (albeit ***** off his gourd) at the time. Someone has to lead and set the course/agenda. If there were no differences in CEOs and they served no significant purpose then none of them would get fired and they'd be paid the same as the janitors. What a CEO is paid is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall revenue of a corporation. But capping their pay is just another feel good measure that accomplishes NOTHING.

edit: ok I just saw your reply to my last post. peace? lol

You're still hot.

Spank you. I agree with your statement but if we don't start somewhere (ie with CEO wages) then we just don't start at all & it all (corporations) just continue on as they have done & will do until the revenue (or nature) runs out...

p.s I like wankers or I wouldn't be chatting or posting smut on porn threads lolz!

 

[TheSpokenWheel]

Another case of the conservative freeone's members using a foreign viewpoint to reinforce their own opinions. Keep in mind, that these are the same members who are quick to tell any foreign FO's member whose opinion about American policies differ from their own don't count because they're not from here, and couldn't possibly have an informed opinion about American policies.

B-So, you think you have an idea of how things are over here in the US from where you are, way over there in Finland?

Hey look! another one!

(granted, Jaana was born in America, but he clearly didn't know that.)

 

[meesterperfect]

if you think black people somehow have it easy in America, you're fucking clueless.

I must ask, but i'll **** myself in the morning.

I am clueless.
Can you tell me? with examples because I'm not too sharp?
If not, thats cool too.

 

[christophe]

Another case of the conservative freeone's members using a foreign viewpoint to reinforce their own opinions. Keep in mind, that these are the same members who are quick to tell any foreign FO's member whose opinion about American policies differ from their own don't count because they're not from here, and couldn't possibly have an informed opinion about American policies.

The point is, the vast majority of American FO members, at least the ones I know from this thread, don't go around blasting our opinions about the politics of your countries. We typically hold to the belief that what happens in your country is your business, not ours, therefore, we do not speak about politics or policies of other countries until someone from another country begins to run down America. You can badmouth America all you want and call us despicable and evil or what have you, but who is typically the first to send aid or relief? America! So yeah, we are THE BAD GUYS!! Everybody stop what you're doing and look at THE BAD GUYS!!! :sarcasm: It is interesting how you all claim the we Americans never show respect or consideration, yet it invariably turns out that it is America and American policies that get attacked by non American FO members preemptively. Yeah, damn us Americans, I can't believe they even allow us on FO. :sarcasm:

 

[Rattrap]

Whew, nelly.

Let's start with this:

By the way, and this goes for everyone, 'educated' isn't the same as 'smart.' Nowadays, 'educated' is synonymous with 'indoctrinated.' "Brain washed' for you 'educated' people.

Only an uneducated moron would say this. I will grant you the first point, however, that 'educated' does not necessarily mean 'smart'. There are plenty of educated dumb people. There are plenty of uneducated smart people. They are outliers, on the whole.

No, they risked their lives to get away/ from places like Finland, Europe, and other places that are run by control freaks, for freedom and better lives here in the US. And here we are, with a bunch of ignorant people who don't know how good they've got it, wanting us to go back to what so many of us fled from. A few lucky people in charge who get the good life, and the rest of us enslaved to the government.

This stopped being valid (which is not to say not historically accurate, because it is. But key: it's history)...oh, for almost three generations now, at least. Premium Link Upgrade

by black people I'm assuming you mean poor blacks. I've lived overseas and in third world countries. I've seen true poverty (including relatives) - digging through garbage heaps for food poverty.

The argument immediately runs to ground when you start comparing the US to places like Africa, when the debate at hand serves to contrast one demographic with other demographics in the same country. Of course people have it better off in the States, almost regardless of their circumstance, than people in Africa. It's irrelevant to the discussion.

So, what assumptions have I made, hmm?

Oh dear, let's begin. Ah, here's one two sentences later...

And I guess by saying what I was quoted as having said is such a load of excrement, you must think the exact opposite of everything I said, huh? So, by that logic

Please learn what the word means before you use it. Some others:

No, you don't live here and know what's really going on. You only get what you see and hear on the news, which is only what they want you to see and hear.

Oh, and to make sure all of us Americans and Europeans are on the same page here, right and left mean different things to us. See, here in America, we actually have 2 schools of thought: big, controlling government (socialism/communism, fascism, the US left), and as small a government as possible where the people are free to do what they want (libertarianism, the US right). In Europe, you guys just have the big, controlling government in 2 forms, communism left, and national socialism right, AKA the Nazis. So let's not be confusing who's what, shall we?

This is laughably partisan and laughably ignorant. I don't think there's a more stereotypical American idiocy than when one throws out these terms incorrectly.

So, you lived here for 20 years, huh? (Which 20 and while how old?) And you say the media in Finland is nothing like that over here? Really? You don't have a media controlled almost exclusively by the left that selectively edits things and will cover things that fit the narrative or advance their chosen policies, but will turn a blind eye to the people on their side and inconvenient facts that don't help their cause?

There are probably more assumptions, but I do have things to do today.

Well, there's some more of that 'education,' saying we judge people and have religious fanaticism (there are kooks, but there are kooks in everything, and you can't lump 99.999% in with the .001%, and by the way, apparently we're free enough to have 'religious fanaticism'), and apparently you don't know your country's history, because, yeah, people did leave your country and a whole bunch of others, risking their lives to come to the US.

Indeed, you are free to be dumb enough to have them. I think I have to take back some of my earlier statement, though; when you have whole states that don't teach evolution, you really are getting indoctrination with education. I'm glad you brought up the history again, though, because that means we agree that it's history.

Don't get me wrong - I believe there was a time when the US was the greatest and more importantly best country in the world. 'Best' meaning 'good', 'great' meaning 'of large magnitude in power and influence'. Today I'm only confident in one of those two descriptions.

So, how is your health system better? I haven't heard of any new medical breakthroughs coming out of Finland.

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The ****** mortality rate (IMR) is the number of deaths of ******* under one year old per 1,000 live births. This rate is often used as an indicator of the level of health in a country.

World rankings, from least deaths (best) to most of the two countries in question:
Finland (ranked 12th): 3.4 (deaths per 1,000 live births)
United States (ranked 50th): 6.0 (deaths per 1,000 live births)

Only in American do you have the freedom to be an asshole and the right to prove it

Not true! This is a freedom enjoyed throughout Europe, and there's no shortage of them, fair being fair.

Why don't you shut the fuck up! You don't live here and I don't live there! I don't talk **** about your country so keep your mouth shut about mine! I fought for MY country and I will not respect you for your opinion of mine! I've read your posts here and I don't give a fuck if you lived here or not, you don't talk **** about my country!

I take it you didn't fight for the 1st Amendment.

Another case of the conservative freeone's members using a foreign viewpoint to reinforce their own opinions. Keep in mind, that these are the same members who are quick to tell any foreign FO's member whose opinion about American policies differ from their own don't count because they're not from here, and couldn't possibly have an informed opinion about American policies.

It is a common theme.

Dual citizen, bitch. just as much my country as it is yours. Deal with it.

It's nice, isn't it? I feel like it's cheating sometimes. The whole 'US citizens need to pay tax on global income' is a crock of **** though.

Protip: if your argument against someone is their nationality instead of evidence against the things they're saying, you've already lost. If you have to ask 'Where are you from?', you're already in trouble.

The point is, the vast majority of American FO members, at least the ones I know from this thread, don't go around blasting our opinions about the politics of your countries.

The majority of FO members (at least in this section) are American, so it's only natural that most discussions will be centered there. Even the folks in this thread arguing from Europe are American (like myself and Jaana).

We typically hold to the belief that what happens in your country is your business, not ours, therefore, we do not speak about politics or policies of other countries until someone from another country begins to run down America.

Man, can we please elect politicians who feel this way?

Props to DP for already calling out some of the more heinous BS in the thread.

 

[JaanaRuutu]

African American unemployment hovers around 14%, but they're only 12% if the population.

The high school drop out rate for African Americans is 8.0%, while only 5.1% for white people, and 7.4% average for the nation. Premium Link Upgrade

The average number of African Americans that have at least a bachelor's degree increased two percentage point to 19% since the year 2000. This however is still ten percentage points lower than the national average. Premium Link Upgrade

Restaurant racism revealed as 40% of waiters admit they discriminate against black customers because they 'don't tip well'

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A good doccumentary on why African Americans in Baltimore tend to end up in jail instead of in college - SURPRISE! It has a lot to do with racism by prosecuters! Premium Link Upgrade

From my old stomping grounds - the NYPD stop and frisk program that disproportionately targets minorities on the grounds that they're not white and they're outside. Premium Link Upgrade

A nice piece on that GOP moron who talked about Trayvon Martin sucking dick for *****, also makes reference to an interview where he called him a "thug" and a "criminal". Yeah, definitely has nooohing to do with Trayvon being black, and clearly eveyrthing to do with him having traces of THC in his system. Clearly. Premium Link Upgrade

What have we learned? Racism is alive and well. The African-American community is under-educated and under-employed, but everyone seems to want to overlook those numbers because America has a black President, so that means everything's fine!

Now, on to some articles about Finland for SHithead McDumbass from last night:


Why Finland's Unorthodox Education System Is The Best In The World
| Nov. 27, 201

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And, just so you understand that that ISN'T a hyperbole:

"A new global league table, produced by the Economist Intelligence Unit for Pearson, has found Finland to be the best education system in the world."

An Article on health care. It's from 2005 because I couldn't find anything newer. NO, this isn't a government-run paper.

"Health care costs amount to 7.4 percent of Finnish GDP, while the average for OECD countries is 8.8 percent. Finns are also more satisfied with their health care services than citizens of most other OECD countries. "

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According to a 2000 WHO study, Finland is 31 in the world for health care, the US is 38.

The least corrupt countries in the world: The US isn't even in the top 10. Finland and Sweden tie for 4th. Canada is in the top 10. Premium Link Upgrade

Oh, and Freedom House says we're pretty god damn free. Premium Link Upgrade

But, hey. You can keep assuming we're an ex-soviet slum. Go for it, dude. Having lived in the US for 20 YEARS, I think I can fairly make comparrisons based on here and there. Life is better here. people are happir here. Idiots like you don't exist here, so i guess that's all I need.

 

[TheSpokenWheel]

The point is, the vast majority of American FO members, at least the ones I know from this thread, don't go around blasting our opinions about the politics of your countries. We typically hold to the belief that what happens in your country is your business, not ours, therefore, we do not speak about politics or policies of other countries until someone from another country begins to run down America. You can badmouth America all you want and call us despicable and evil or what have you, but who is typically the first to send aid or relief? America! So yeah, we are THE BAD GUYS!! Everybody stop what you're doing and look at THE BAD GUYS!!! :sarcasm: It is interesting how you all claim the we Americans never show respect or consideration, yet it invariably turns out that it is America and American policies that get attacked by non American FO members preemptively. Yeah, damn us Americans, I can't believe they even allow us on FO. :sarcasm:

Anything I said above wasn't directed at you, because I'm familiar with you or your politics at all. There are a few conservatives on here who are reasonable and respectful of foreign members opinions - you may very well be one of them. However the prominent ones - the ones with the loudest mouths (Sam, Will, Meester) are very quick to jump on the foreign members (Johan in particular) whenever they offer an opinion. And not just something like "you should try living here and then make up your mind", no no no... It's more like "shut the fuck up you socialist, you don't know anything about America". And as far as I've noticed, the foreign members have been more than happy to discuss their own country's state of affairs with American members.

As for people running down America... The way I see it, we're not nearly as bad as some people make us out to be, but we're not nearly as perfect as some Americans make us out to be. We have some great people from all races, beliefs and orientations, but we also have some real shitheads from all those same groups.

 

[TheSpokenWheel]

Anything I said above wasn't directed at you, because I'm not familiar with you or your politics at all. There are a few conservatives on here who are reasonable and respectful of foreign members opinions - you may very well be one of them. However the prominent ones - the ones with the loudest mouths (Sam, Will, Meester) are very quick to jump on the foreign members (Johan in particular) whenever they offer an opinion. And not just something like "you should try living here and then make up your mind", no no no... It's more like "shut the fuck up you socialist, you don't know anything about America". And as far as I've noticed, the foreign members have been more than happy to discuss their own country's state of affairs with American members.

As for people running down America... The way I see it, we're not nearly as bad as some people make us out to be, but we're not nearly as perfect as some Americans make us out to be. We have some great people from all races, beliefs and orientations, but we also have some real shitheads from all those same groups.

Too late to edit: fixed

 

[panthera450]

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Rich people not pay 86% of income taxes. The top 10% pay around 70% of income taxes, but they control 90% of the wealth.

 

[fkknuckle]

Dual citizen, bitch. just as much my country as it is yours. Deal with it.

I didn't know. My apologies.

I take it you didn't fight for the 1st Amendment.

That's not what it's about. Whenever I go to someone else's country I never talk about the negatives, I only talk about the cool things their country has to offer.

 

[xfire]

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Free Republic? lol Isn't there a rule against linking to other forums?

 

[Will E Worm]

People...

:drama:

By 'forward thinking' I assume you mean 'Progressive' (the ones who wanna do some truly despicable things, not far off from **** Germany), and by 'ahead of their time,' you mean basically setting things up the way they had been, but instead of a king or queen, you must be in the political ruling party instead?

So, you like that that guy capped salaries? Hmm. I don't suppose you happen to, you know, run a business or something do you? 'Cause, you know, that would mean, your income would be capped. So, do you support capping how much you make? Because it's a slippery slope that'll trickle it's way down to you.

Unlike some people, I don't care how much people make nor how they spend it, and it's amazing how many people wanna tell other people how much is enough or what a proper way to spend their money is, but when dealing with their own money, wanna be left the hell alone.


As a side note here, you know the main reason I don't like discussing politics on here, aside from it being a porn site and like completely the wrong forum for such discussions? It's not people on the left who don't have a leg to stand on with their policies (though, that can be annoying at times the way they'll try to fight their battle), it's arguing things about the US and US politics with Europeans and Aussies.

:goodpost:

Capping someone's salary in a supposedly free country is wrong.

It's unconstitutional in America. Obama should be tried for treason, for many things.

 

[Will E Worm]

Rich people not pay 86% of income taxes. The top 10% pay around 70% of income taxes, but they control 90% of the wealth.

They do pay enough and they control wealth because they have money.

No reason to be jealous and have an irrational fear of the wealthy.

Free Republic? lol Isn't there a rule against linking to other forums?

How exactly does that help anyone? Making a rich person less rich doesn't make a poor person less poor.

A CEO's salary is generally decided by a board of directors responsible to the shareholders. If they feel he is worth the money who is a bureaucrat who is paid by tax payers to say otherwise?

There will always be poor people. Just ignore liberals that can't understand this.

Also, an elected official doesn't have the right to limit anyone's salary. It's unconstitutional.

Obama was elected by massive voter fraud.

I must ask, but i'll **** myself in the morning.

I am clueless.
Can you tell me? with examples because I'm not too sharp?
If not, thats cool too.

Are you a Negro?

Sam and Meesterperfect, it's called liberal, white guilt.

Uh...yeah. No Canadian said that.

More likely an angry American right-winger.

Right-wing is good, when it real.

Also, a Canadian said it.

Deal with it.

 

[meesterperfect]

African American unemployment hovers around 14%, but they're only 12% if the population.

The high school drop out rate for African Americans is 8.0%, while only 5.1% for white people, and 7.4% average for the nation. Premium Link Upgrade

The average number of African Americans that have at least a bachelor's degree increased two percentage point to 19% since the year 2000. This however is still ten percentage points lower than the national average. Premium Link Upgrade

Restaurant racism revealed as 40% of waiters admit they discriminate against black customers because they 'don't tip well'

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NYT piece on political racism: Premium Link Upgrade

A good doccumentary on why African Americans in Baltimore tend to end up in jail instead of in college - SURPRISE! It has a lot to do with racism by prosecuters! Premium Link Upgrade

From my old stomping grounds - the NYPD stop and frisk program that disproportionately targets minorities on the grounds that they're not white and they're outside. Premium Link Upgrade

A nice piece on that GOP moron who talked about Trayvon Martin sucking dick for *****, also makes reference to an interview where he called him a "thug" and a "criminal". Yeah, definitely has nooohing to do with Trayvon being black, and clearly eveyrthing to do with him having traces of THC in his system. Clearly. Premium Link Upgrade

What have we learned? Racism is alive and well. The African-American community is under-educated and under-employed, but everyone seems to want to overlook those numbers because America has a black President, so that means everything's fine!

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How are those things racism by the whites?

And the waiter thing? c'mon lets get real.
the richer you look the better service you probably will get from a waiter.
thats just common sense.

do you know a black in the USA can get pretty much free college or job training if they graduate high school.
most businesses do hire blacks, if they apply for a job. there are even laws in place to make sure blacks are hired , even if they are less qualified than other whites who have applied.

And you blame the court system for locking up blacks because of racism?
the court system sucks I admit. black or white if you cant afford a lawyer you are fucked.
But could it be the reason there are more blacks in jail percentage wise is because they commit more crimes?

 

[meesterperfect]

This video

Arrested developement, voter stock, ballot cattle.
Just who is keeping blacks poor in the USA?

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[JaanaRuutu]

ACORN DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ANYMORE. Jesus Christ, some of you need to **** the fuck up.