Not really.
For if one can live off a website then logic would lead one to conclude that they're doing rather well particularly considering the average American income for a household is around $46,000.
I hate to tell you this but if somebody is just making that amount in porn, unless it's among the most softcore stuff, they are screwed. It's not like an office job where somebody can make that amount sitting around from age 22 to age 67. Models and pornstars only have a maximum window of about 10 years where they cam make money. Maybe the best of the best of the best of them can stretch that out to 15 or more. Most of them only last a couple of years and a lot of them only last 6 months before they are out because of the fickle nature of the industry and the fans it has. It's worse when you consider the stigma it attaches to people and how it can make finding regular work after that significantly harder. A lot of them can't just go out and get a regular job after that. Unless somebody is desperate $46,000 a year total from all adult entertainment work isn't worth it and people would probably be better off not doing it, unless it's something they really like doing it and it's not just for the money. Even then most of them had better have a plan on how do deal with life after porn. To be worth it they had better make much more than that a year.
So yes really, you jumped to conclusions and thought that just because somebody makes enough to live on a website they are making tremendous amounts of money, when that's not necessarily the case and most often in the industry isn't.
Actually from what I've seen the "tube sites" mostly have her scenes from her Vivid days which are at least 4 years old if not older, not scenes that have been recently produced.
And given that the popularity of any scene is directly proportional to its date of release, any profit lost due to the sharing of this particular content is negligible.
There is a reason you don't see many of Nina's new scenes compared to her Vivid days or at least it's harder to find. She probably goes after places that pirate it out MUCH more aggressively than Vivid does. Vivid was known for me totally lax on that for years and years and is just now getting around to doing something about it, probably because Vivid is loosing money and not doing to well now. It's not Nina's fault other producers don't care. It also doesn't take into account the time and resources Nina or people working for her have to spend to root out as much of it as possible, even if it's impossible to get all of it. Taking the time and effort to do that isn't free.
I would agree that the money lost is likely small and more than likely it's an issue of her merely being annoyed about it.
With adult entertainment what also needs to be keep in mine is this isn't like big time production movies or music. It also isn't like video games where one needs a specific type console to be able to play their material. They have delivery systems like concerts and theaters among other things where they can bring in a lot of cash that can't be diverted by piracy, and professionally done products that can't be acquired the same quality as something that can be gotten stolen. They can also sell their products in widely visited and available places like big retail outlets. The musicians, actor, producers, and people directly behind the camera will still make a lot of money almost no matter what. Even if a large chunk of what they could make is taken out by it the biggest names can still make millions of dollars individually, and still end up well off.
Almost nobody in the adult business makes that kind of money in the first place, especially the performers don't, and not only don't they make that much but because their fan base tends to be a little more technologically savvy than the average person and because almost all their methods of delivery are harder to do or in a form that easier to steal more of the people that would buy their product anyhow have a greater chance of stealing it. I would say that even though the adult industry uses piracy of their intellectual works as a scapegoat for a lot of their problems (and the adult industry has many many problems it has created itself) it also true that piracy really does effect them more than other people and has genuinely hurt them. I feel less sympathy for a musician that makes millions of dollars a year complaining about it than I do for people in the adult industry.
A statement such as one can live off a website isn't vague it's quite obvious, it would seem though that some don't like the implication of it.
And the context can been seen by all who read the discussion. It was about websites and she stated how with the right webmaster one can live solely off their site which she did for 2 years.
It's not the fact that the statement about living off the website was vague. It wasn't. It was the fact of what you interpreted that to mean that was the problem. You read obviousness where there isn't any. You assumed and read too much into it than you have either evidence or knowledge about it. You just assumed that because one can "live" off a website that they were making a lot of money off of it and having a huge influx of cash and that tube sites weren't adversely effecting them. Unless you have more inside knowledge about Nina's operation than you have told us (which you don't otherwise you would have said something about it) you were trying to frame a view of reality into what you wanted to believe it to be rather than what you actually knew about it.
Maybe Nina and all her partners and pornstars she sets things up for are raking in unbelievable amounts of cash and piracy is just something she wants to bitch about. Or….maybe it's just that she can run an operation well enough to insure others that have her set up a website for them can make a decent moderate living to get by with just their websites she creates for them, and the tube sites really do hurt them. I'm not going to assume I know for sure something I don't.
Not to derail this into a discussion about Piracy. But the problem with D-rock's argument is that the assumption that piracy decreases sales is false:
http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/eng/h_ip01456.html
If anything tube sites increase revenues for porn producers. Look at say Brazzers, NA, or Bangbros, their content is pirated the same day it's released yet their subscriptions and sales are still strong. Ditto for say smaller operations like WifeysWorld.
Anti-Piracy measures end up harming the people who pay for the content on the one hand. On the other hand, piracy becomes a scapegoat when it's more likely that other causes are behind decreasing revenue.
Back to WW's, they offer a full movie, downloadable in HD each week plus picture set not chopped up in parts. Ditto for the big production companies.
Basically the porn fans get screwed.
Again you can't compare adult entertainment to forms of mainstream entertainment for the reasons I stated above.
You also have to take into account places like Brazzers, NA, or Babgbros also don't focus on one star. They can get the fans that want a wide range of stars in one place and have it be conveniently there. If somebody was just a fan of a couple people there would be almost no incentive to join instead of stealing the stuff if the person stealing didn't have any scruples about doing that. They also got fortunate and were the first large producers to catch on the internet as a downloading medium and are living off that legacy, they also don't have much competition outside for a number of reasons. It's not really a fair comparison, and I could also point out as time ahs gone on they haven't been doing as good themselves as they used to comparatively.
I could also mention that for not minding piracy the people at Brazzers sure seem to feel the need to contribute to it and indirectly finance it so it appears it must be working out well enough and making them enough money to do it. That's why Brazzers are being sued right now (and it looks like they will probably lose). Lets also say, I don't think it's coincidence that the tube sites Brazzers are alleged to be involved in don't feature Brazzers own work so they must worry about piracy against them as much as other people do.
As for Nina harming people that buy her product, oh please. If I was a member of Nina's site I'll admit I might not be thrilled about the splitting of videos, and I rather have a better alterative, but I wouldn't get too upset about it and it wouldn't be a deal breaker. It's not like Nina is making people go through Electronic Arts like levels of draconian DRM to get her material. I don't think what she does should be in the realm of turning people off from her. Now if somebody don't like her product, thinks it's not coming out fast enough, or on time that's one thing and a manor of opinion, but I find it hard to buy people should legitimately be turned off by the way she has made it harder for people to steal her work.
