Nicolas Sarkozy on the way out?

[Sam Fisher]

Re: France just fucked themselves!

French President Nicolas Sarkozy lost his bid for a second term Sunday to Socialist candidate Francois Hollande, in a vote that could have reverberations across Europe and around the world – and especially in Washington.

The decision marks a sharp turn away from the budget-cutting policies trumpeted by Sarkozy and other European leaders who tried to respond to the financial crisis by tightening their belts. By contrast, Hollande has called for more spending, financed by more taxes. His election means a Socialist is taking power in Paris for the first time since Socialist Francois Mitterrand was president from 1981 to 1995. (sound familiar)?

"President Obama indicated that he looks forward to working closely with Mr. Hollande and his government on a range of shared economic and security challenges," a White House statement read.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/0...-across-france-in-presidential/#ixzz1uCl6onIw

 

[Rey C.]

You're wrong to only blame Conservatives/Bush/Republicans for it. For every fault they had the Left/Dem/Socialists matched them and were just as culpable. You know that.

You must be seeing words that aren't there - or leaving out some that are. Since I made a pretty broad indictment, please point out where I only blamed "Conservatives/Bush/Republicans."

 

[Sam Fisher]

Being a leftist myself I'm glad to see a leftist taking power in France. Hollande has called for more government spending and this will put the country on the right path as we now know that austerity has failed

You are undoubtedly, certifiably, INSANE!

 

[Straight Shooter]

You are undoubtedly, certifiably, INSANE!

:kettle: Why? because austerity has worked wonders for Europe

 

[georges]

Who was choice? Le Pen, Melenchon, Bayrou, Sarkozy? For some reason I see you as a Le Pen supporter

I am a Sarkozyst but I have to say that Le Pen says some truths about the immigration problems and the behavior of immigrants in France. Most of the muslims voted for Hollande, so they would do whatever they want in my country and leech alll the social helps and free healthcare they want. At the place de la Bastille, there was not a single French flag but mainly flags from arab countries who were celebrating the victory of Hollande. Is that reassuring ? No, absolutely not. Hollande doesn't represent me and certainly not my convictions. A laxist president who is granting the vote to local election for foreigners is a dangerous fucking moron. Sarkozy was also against granting the right to vote to local election for foreigners and he was also for reducing in half the number of immigrants, something Hollande doesn't want. At last but not least, I don't have to receive any kind of moral lessons coming from socialists.

 

[georges]

There hasn't been a socialist in power since Mitterand left in 1995

And it was a good thing that there was no more fucking socialist idiot till today, now we have a laughable baffoon as president and someone who knees in front of muslisms and who really doesn't give a damn shit of hardworking people. I truely pity France.

 

[georges]

Those who can are already sending their money to Switzerland, Luxembourg. Leave it in France and Hollande's plan is to steal it.

Not to steal it, but ruin it in every way possible

 

[Trident1]

:kettle: Why? because austerity has worked wonders for Europe

Why do you think there are austerity cuts in the first place? For the cheap thrills?

 

[Sam Fisher]

Being a leftist myself I'm glad to see a leftist taking power in France. Hollande has called for more government spending and this will put the country on the right path as we now know that austerity has failed

And just where is he (the government) going to get that money to spend? Will he print new money? That will make the value even lower, or worse yet... worthless.. Will he tax the hell out of everyone? That's one way to get "more money for government spending." But it won't do a fucking thing for the those who will be handing their money over for "more government spending".

But, can you please explain how the people's money is better off in the government's hands than it is in the citizen's hands?

 

[Straight Shooter]

Why do you think there are austerity cuts in the first place? For the cheap thrills?

Doesn't matter why there are austerity cuts. Austerity is not the way to solve this problem

And just where is he (the government) going to get that money to spend? Will he print new money? That will make the value even lower, or worse yet... worthless.. Will he tax the hell out of everyone? That's one way to get "more money for government spending." But it won't do a fucking thing for the those who will be handing their money over for "more government spending".

But, can you please explain how the people's money is better off in the government's hands than it is in the citizen's hands?

Austerity is not the right way to get the economy back on track. It's wrong because it's making a bad situation even worse. Now is the time for the government to spend more, not less, until the private sector is ready to carry the economy forward again

 

[Trident1]

Doesn't matter why there are austerity cuts. Austerity is not the way to solve this problem

Austerity cuts are trying to "balance the books" so to speak. Reign in spending, cutting the deficits. The Socialist method of blowing money, 30 hour work weeks, and retirement at 50 are a thing of the past.

 

[Straight Shooter]

Austerity cuts are trying to "balance the books" so to speak. Reign in spending, cutting the deficits. The Socialist method of blowing money, 30 hour work weeks, and retirement at 50 are a thing of the past.

It has been two years since moves to austerity started, but the crisis is still with us. What drives economic growth is demand but the austerity measures suppress demand and structural reform focuses too much on supply.

I'm not suggesting that they should just ignore the deficit. The core of a more sensible approach is to pass the needed budget measures now, but to phase in the actual tax increases and spending cuts only gradually as economies recover. As economists would say, the measures should be backloaded

BTW I'm an economics major

 

[Trident1]

BTW I'm an economics major

I get my info from my father who is an economist PhD Univ of Chicago '58.

 

[Rey C.]

I get my info from my father who is an economist PhD Univ of Chicago '58.

Hopefully this is not one of the things you got from your father, because it is incorrect:

You do understand the concept of cyclical recession don't you and how none of the above had any control over it.

 

[Trident1]

Hopefully this is not one of the things you got from your father

No it isn't.

 

[viGnoS]

I though this image worth to be shared as a great freeones's symbol of Hollande's victory. No matter your politic behavior everyone here will approve this

 

[Sam Fisher]

 

[georges]

I though this image worth to be shared as a great freeones's symbol of Hollande's victory. No matter your politic behavior everyone here will approve this

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Hollande doesn't represent me and doesn't represent 48.2% of the French. :nono: Which flags were hanging at the place de la bastille sunday? Not a single French flag but only flags from Arab countries. Very worrying and absolutely disgusting. This girl will pay sooner or later dearly the price for voting for the dumbing down of the society and trust me at the general elections, the right and the far right will be against the left and far left, we can't tolerate nor afford our country to be invaded by hundreds of thousands of foreigners who will impose their customs and habits on us, never. We don't need socialists and communists fucking our country and ruining it in every possible sense.

 

[georges]

That is a pic when the german SS and Wehrmacht entered in Paris in 1940.
Sadly,many people really don't understand what awaits them, a massive immigration from the maghreb, insecurity, bigger debt, bigger unemployment, certainly the fall of the eu and a huge rise of the far right if the country goes worse and worse, this is highly predictable and expectable. So to those who voted for Hollande, you shouldn't be astonished if in five years or maybe less, you will be certainly the ones paying for having sold off our country.

 

[viGnoS]

This flag polemic is stupid imo, back in 2002 when Chirac has been elected, a lot of Algerian and Moroccan flags fluttered and Chirac greeted them saying he was glad of winning and didn't care that much...

The real problem is not migration flow it's economy and I must agree there will be a real difficult task for Hollande to apply his politic. It won't be a full socialist politic like back in 1981, now Europe is giving the rules, €€€ has to be preserved of a devaluation and there is no flexibility at all...
Hollande isn't so dumb, he won't put volontary its country into bankruptcy, it will be basically the same austerity politic than Sarkozy but in a more socialist and equitable aspect :2 cents:

To engage a real ambitious politic, the key is to convince Europe... not easy...