NHL 2008-2009 Thread

[Dawn]

I wouldn't go so far as to compare Luongo to Brodeur or Hasek just yet, but you're right. The problem isn't with Luongo, but with the offence and defence. Now that Naslund is gone, Vancouver does not have a top forward. The Sedin Twins can perform, I suppose, but Vanocuver just doesn't have the scoring power it did back with Naslund Bertuzzi and Morrison.

I was just half serious regarding Canucks. I was messing around with Nikkifan19

 

[rodfarva]

I am not here to argue with you or insult your intelligence whatsoever, I respect your POV and your hockey knowledge, so please know that and also take that into account, but What makes that article bogus, just because you don't agree with it?

Bertuzzi losing his linemates has allot to do with his lack of production, but a player that goes through something as traumatic as what he did, you can, could, and do lose confidence and therefore becomes a player that 2nd guesses everything he does making him a step slower in reaction time!!

I truly believe and know he is remorseful for what he did, and although he is a psychical player who likes too mix it up / scrum and what not, I still don't consider him goon.

Since his skills have diminished, if you don't contribute too your team in some critical aspect of the game, that player is gonna be out of the league, therefore Bertuzzi is now a banger / in your face, in front of the net, rough house player and he can still score!!

I guess YOU AND I will just agree to disagree! I think Bertuzzi has a chance too score 25 - 35 goals this year playing on the same line as iginlia!! thats just my opinion, as you have yours! :thumbsup:

I respect your opinion as well, and I agree to disagree.

As for the article, the reason why it's bogus is because the writer vilified Steve Moore because of the elbow on Naslund and turned Bertuzzi into the victim. The article actually said: "who's to blame? Moore or Bertuzzi?" There is no way a person can feel sorry for Bertuzzi's fall from grace. It's well deserved. He should've been banned from the NHL for life and it still wouldn't have been an excessive punishment. It was the most cowardly, heinous, inexcusable cheapshot you could witness, and it broke a man's neck and ended a player's career. Moore is obviously the victim and Bertuzzi is obviously the villain. That article conveys the opposite, which is why I see it as bogus.

 

[lost1dc]

I respect your opinion as well, and I agree to disagree.

As for the article, the reason why it's bogus is because the writer vilified Steve Moore because of the elbow on Naslund and turned Bertuzzi into the victim. The article actually said: "who's to blame? Moore or Bertuzzi?" There is no way a person can feel sorry for Bertuzzi's fall from grace. It's well deserved. He should've been banned from the NHL for life and it still wouldn't have been an excessive punishment. It was the most cowardly, heinous, inexcusable cheapshot you could witness, and it broke a man's neck and ended a player's career. Moore is obviously the victim and Bertuzzi is obviously the villain. That article conveys the opposite, which is why I see it as bogus.

Moore refused to fight again. Bertuzzi challenged him but Moore didn't accept. Moore probably thought he was done with the retribution after he fought earlier that game but since he won the fight, he would have to still defend himself against other challengers until somebody beat him.

The sucker-punch was dirty but it may be hard to say when the neck broke. It could have been when they both went to the ice or when the other players started to pile on top. Been awhile since I've watched the game but I have it on DVD since Trevor Linden became the Canucks all-time leading scorer. A great moment for a Canuck leader that was tarnished by this incident.

 

[Thunderbolt]

So how many games has the talented TBL won this season. And how was their post-season run last year? Wait, didn't they end up dead last?

Amazing how Detroit won a cup and had Darren McCarty in the line-up....wait he's a goon and doesn't help the team. And the year before, Anaheim, who lead the league in fighting majors, won the cup. Of course the league tried to crack down on tough teams by calling every incidental stick infraction or accidental contact to eliminate the Ducks when they played against the Wings last year, for the 2nd yr in the playoffs, and off course they lost to the Wings.

Oh yeah McCarty had such an impact in detroit's stanley cup win , that's why they gave him the conny smythe trophy ..... NOT ! And also that's why they put him on waivers recently . Yeah goons are really inportant to a team , they make all the difference . They have a minimal impact at best .

 

[lost1dc]

Oh yeah McCarty had such an impact in detroit's stanley cup win , that's why they gave him the conny smythe trophy ..... NOT ! And also that's why they put him on waivers recently . Yeah goons are really inportant to a team , they make all the difference . They have a minimal impact at best .

I don't know where to start to talk about an enforcer/goon. Other than that the other players know that somebody is there to defend them and make actions accountable....

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

The sucker-punch was dirty but it may be hard to say when the neck broke. It could have been when they both went to the ice or when the other players started to pile on top.

I hate it when people only blame Bertuzzi for this. No one seems to remember the great, wise decision of both teams fucking jumping on them. They certainly made the situation better. "Oh, hey, our player got sucker-punched! Let's defend him by falling on his unconcious body!"

 

[Thunderbolt]

I don't know where to start to talk about an enforcer/goon. Other than that the other players know that somebody is there to defend them and make actions accountable....

And I agree with that but I still say that they don't win hockey games.

 

[Nikkifan19]

I wouldn't go so far as to compare Luongo to Brodeur or Hasek just yet, but you're right. The problem isn't with Luongo, but with the offence and defence. Now that Naslund is gone, Vancouver does not have a top forward. The Sedin Twins can perform, I suppose, but Vanocuver just doesn't have the scoring power it did back with Naslund Bertuzzi and Morrison.

And Montreal getting to the finals. Riots if they win, riots if they lose. If they make it I'm heading over to Montreal - I want a new TV.

Yup. You're right. If you're relying on Kesler and Burrows, no matter how much I like them, for your secondary scoring behind the twins, you're in trouble. Vancouver needs Demitra to get and stay healthy, or go out and acquire another top 6 forward.

 

[Marlo Manson]

I respect your opinion as well, and I agree to disagree.

As for the article, the reason why it's bogus is because the writer vilified Steve Moore because of the elbow on Naslund and turned Bertuzzi into the victim. The article actually said: "who's to blame? Moore or Bertuzzi?" There is no way a person can feel sorry for Bertuzzi's fall from grace. It's well deserved. He should've been banned from the NHL for life and it still wouldn't have been an excessive punishment. It was the most cowardly, heinous, inexcusable cheapshot you could witness, and it broke a man's neck and ended a player's career. Moore is obviously the victim and Bertuzzi is obviously the villain. That article conveys the opposite, which is why I see it as bogus.

Ok I see where your coming from, I am not saying bertuzzi was justified and he's not too blame, I don't think he was trying to break moores neck or for that matter mame him in any way! beat shit out of him yeah, but end his career? definitely not..

I have seen some brutal shit take place! mcsorley trying to behead brashear, simon trying to decapatate that other dirty player who just got done boarding simon!! pronger stepping on that guys leg on purpose!!

hell all of those could have waranted a lifetime ban or suspension!! what bertuzzi did was unfortunate and if bertuzzi had his choice it would have been a face to face drop the gloves kind of fight, but it didn't happen like that, unfortunately bertuzzi attacked him from behind!!

but you and I both know bertuzzi didn't have too attack moore from behind to beat moore in fair fight, so like I originally said BERTUZZI did LOSE HIS HEAD and went beyond what was acceptable!!

so I can't see it being bertuzzi's 1st major incident regarding intent to injure and mame a player unlike simon, pronger, avery, and some of the other great goons in the game!!

bertuzzi served a lengthy well deserved suspension!! and I if you ask me I think moores neck broke when both teams piled onto of the fallen moore and bertuzzi!! I will probably never change your mind or have you interpret the way I see it, but I think bertuzzi isn't a dirty player by nature or a goon for the most part!! that was his only blemish as far as being classified a dirty player or a goon IMO! :2 cents::hatsoff:

 

[TheBurglar]

Unusual player at Habs practice

Thats pretty cool. Good for her.

 

[TheBurglar]

McCarty was never placed on waivers this season. I wouldn't cry if was and the Wings lost him. Downey was put on waivers and cleared. Now I do hope the Wings can keep one physical player on the roster. Late in seasons teams tend to try to push the Wings around. Most of the time the Wings just don't retaliate and punish the opponent with PP.

By the way is Mike Smith not playing well or is it more the team just playing bad overall?

Oh yeah McCarty had such an impact in detroit's stanley cup win , that's why they gave him the conny smythe trophy ..... NOT ! And also that's why they put him on waivers recently . Yeah goons are really inportant to a team , they make all the difference . They have a minimal impact at best .

 

[Mauser98k]

By the way is Mike Smith not playing well or is it more the team just playing bad overall?

are you kidding me? Mike Smith is frigging AWESOME. he has a .943 Save Percentage right now (tops in the league). the team is still finding their groove as a whole, but Mike Smith's play is the one solid factor.

 

[TheBurglar]

I didn't look at any of their stats before posting that. Figured I'd ask since there seem to be some TB fans here. He is playing great. Was really hoping he would turn out good in Tampa since it cost them Brad Richards who has always been a favorite of mine. Eventually they couldn't afford to keep the entire core though. I've followed the Frightning quite close in years previous. A Vincent Lecavalier autographed jersey is hanging in my office. :thumbsup:

What do you think of Melrose?

Is Artyukhin doing anything? Showed some promise before he left.

are you kidding me? Mike Smith is frigging AWESOME. he has a .943 Save Percentage right now (tops in the league). the team is still finding their groove as a whole, but Mike Smith's play is the one solid factor.

 

[Mauser98k]

I didn't look at any of their stats before posting that. Figured I'd ask since there seem to be some TB fans here. He is playing great. Was really hoping he would turn out good in Tampa since it cost them Brad Richards who has always been a favorite of mine. Eventually they couldn't afford to keep the entire core though. I've followed the Frightning quite close in years previous. A Vincent Lecavalier autographed jersey is hanging in my office. :thumbsup:

What do you think of Melrose?

Is Artyukhin doing anything? Showed some promise before he left.

i think Mike is going to be our main goalie for years to come. his ability to play the puck is something we haven't had for years.

i'm not sure what to think of Barry. he's still new to the team so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt. he has started playing the MVP line (Marty, Vinnie, Prospal) more and has been giving Stamkos more ice time. it looks like he's moving in the right direction. plus he believes in strong forechecks and a physical game so i really like that.

Artyukhin...what can you say about him? for a monster, he's very fleet of foot and is always giving it his all. he handles the puck very well too. he throws hard checks and the crowd has come to love that. i'd like to see him sign a multi-year contract with us.

 

[Mauser98k]

ya know, people talk a lot about how irritating Montreal fans can be, but at least i've never seen any of them throw a smoke bomb on the ice like some douche in Philly just did. how retarded do you have to be?

 

[lost1dc]

What are your thoughts that TSN now has the rights to play the classic "NHIC" them? And the CBC had to pick a new song.

 

[Dawn]

Anaheim vs Montréal

Jaroslav Halak is in the nets for Habs as Carey Price is recovering off a virus that affected him earlier this week. Steve Bégin is back into the lineup. Chris Higgins is finally dressed for a first time this year, fully recovered from an injury he caught in the training camp.

1st Period

Anaheim took a 2 goal leads after less than 4 minutes as Montreal were still sleeping after their 5 day break since last game. Huskins scored on a 3vs2 while Getzlaf scored on a 2vs1.

Komisarek and Bouillon started to hit everything on the ice, aggravating the Ducks short-temper undisciplined players. Result? Power Play.

1st PP - Tanguay scored
2nd PP - Koivu scored.

Ducks players are undisciplined, frustrated of not being *respected* and most of their tough players are looking for customers. Perry drops the glove agaisnt Bouillon and discover that the Habs smurf-sized defensemen is a helluva tough customer!

End of 1st period.

Anaheim 2 - Montreal 2

EDIT: Kostopoulos scored after few seconds into 2nd period... Habs have the lead!

 

[Mauser98k]

What are your thoughts that TSN now has the rights to play the classic "NHIC" them? And the CBC had to pick a new song.

ridiculous

 

[rodfarva]

What are your thoughts that TSN now has the rights to play the classic "NHIC" them? And the CBC had to pick a new song.

CBC never HAD to pick a new song. They could've and should've ponied up whatever dough Dolores Claman was asking for and kept it. It's more a part of Hockey Night in Canada than Don Cherry, Ron MacLean, or anything else. Shame on CBC for just not getting it and letting finances get in the way. I will never forgive them for letting that theme go.

 

[10000Days]

Boy is it a good time to be a Buffalo sports fan. Both the Bills and Sabres are looking like they might be two of the best teams in their respective leages.