Ace Bandage
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Okay, well I found the sortable receiving stats. You find the sortable return stats and we'll call it even. By the way, he only had one return TD in his tenure in Miami.
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Okay, well I found the sortable receiving stats. You find the sortable return stats and we'll call it even. By the way, he only had one return TD in his tenure in Miami.
I'm so pumped for the Bears/Pats game! We're in the middle of a blizzard right now in Chi-Town and its snowing like crazy, this is what Chicago Bear football is all about.
The best "Offensive Player" on the best team as far as I can tell. No one then or now doubts that the '85 Bears weren't just the greatest team of '85 ,but one of the greatest of all time & obviously because of their D. Richard Dent or someone on that D would have been a great MVP Pick. It's nice to look at the numbers & give it to Marcus Allen though no one ever thought that the Raiders could compete with the Bears(And they eventually lost in the 1st round of the playoffs).
Just a season or so ago I doubt if Mark Ingram was even the best player on Alabama's team & certainly not as dominant as N SUH(?) for Nebraska(However you spell his name).
The League is turning into a passing League & only 5 or 6 RB's have won MVP in the past 25 years or so with 20 or so QB's. The future looks even worse for RB's in the NFL with the rules favoring the passing game & the dink & donk stuff like the Pats/Saints do without a running game.
I agree with the League crack down & it's apparent that these helmet first hits have gotten out of hand recently(especially since the 70's) with better helmets/equipment.
Hardy Nickerson's & Night Train Lane's of the world hardly EVER or NEVER went head first into an offensive player because those helmets weren't the WEAPONS they are today(mostly shoulder or forearm then). These big head first hits are a recent phenomenon becasue of the players comfort with the helmets as a weapon & face masks.
I don't see whee it hurt the GAME when players like Butkus & those of that era that went SHOULDER first or at worst FOREARM first instead of Head first like these guys.
Now players feel like they can go head first & end up CRIPPLED like the TE for the Bills a few years ago & the D lineman for Rutgers a few weeks ago. Those were 'illegal head first hits(by NFL rules) & the League is trying to avoid seeing their players carted of as cripples .
Well, if you know anything about the return game...you can hurt the opponent even if you never score a TD by flipping the field position or getting your team in the red zone as Welker did in a close win against the Pats previously.
That's why some stats are anecdotally misleading and irrelevant.
Like I alluded to before...there could be an example where a guy caught 9 passes for 45 yards...Not too impressive unless they were for example all caught in the 2nd half and resulted in 3rd dwn. conversions.
Plus Welker was one of the top return guys (2nd in both categories one year).
But I admit, I don't follow stats that much because I think beyond the basics...most others are for baseball geeks and other stat nerds too busy to actually watch what happened in the games.
Point is, most people who've followed the Welker deal (talking heads on the shows at the time) believed obviously the two most important factors in NE decision was what he could do for them and stopping what he was and potentially able to do against them.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=261008017
Not just 9 catches but 103 k/o yds. on 4 attempts and 18 yds. on 2 punts.
Best player on the best team. If you have a team who's strength is primarily defense...and their best individual is on the defense...the player can win the award.
For example, in the '97 Heisman race Charles Woodson beat Peyton Manning for the trophy.
Peyton would have won it most likely had UT been undefeated...but since Michigan was undefeated and Woodson had a remarkable enough year to be considered...he won over Manning. Now I'm sure it wasn't that simple an equation but it most likely made it simpler in the eyes of the voters.
It's ALWAYS going to be an uphill battle for a defensive player to win it simply because offensive skill players have far more tangible ways to state their case.
Let's be honest, a dominant defensive lineman is going to have a helluva time proving the double teams he draws are more important than the TDs a RB or QB scores. That's just the reality.:dunno:
Is Troy Polamalu the best safety actually? He made plays after plays this month.
all this talk about Welker's worth is moot. The Patriots went out and got him. The Pats, one of the top teams in the league year-in and year-out, saw his value. All the chirping from the sidelines matters not.
This thread is becoming as inane as the political threads.
This thread is becoming as inane as the political threads.
He had one Hell of a game today! Had a pick six and added another late to nail home the final nail in the Bungles coffin! Now he did try a little too hard on the 2nd pick, and tried to return it when his ankle that he tweeked earlier was clearly bothering him. Instead of going down, he tried to latteral the ball across the field, which, had the Bungles gotten it 1st, they might still have had life. But Troy is the man, so he is more than worthy of being given a little slack when he messes up! Plus Troy has been giving free Steelers tix away to fans on Twitter the past few weeks....this week he also gave pre-game sideline passes with the tix he had. His presence was REALLY missed when he was out for two long stretches last season......and the Steelers missed the playoffs. What he brings to the table makes him the ultimate difference maker! It seems like he is all over the field. Just look at the big plays he was involved in the past two weeks alone!
One thing is totally for certain......the Steelers made the right choice when they traded up in the draft to get him (something the Steelers basically never do)! Canton might as well start working on his bust already!
I guess Terrell Owens and Chad JOHNSON didn't have enough popcorn for the Steelers, or it was too stale! Now, if the Texans can beat the Ravens tomorrow night, I'll be really happy!
HERE WE GO STEELERS........HERE WE GO!!!!!!
The Patriots are the best team in the NFL. There is no arguing about it. They are just blowing out teams now that it's just ridiculous. Even though my Bears got their asses handed to them I'm not that angry because the Patriots are the best team in the league and at least they lost to a really good team.
What will be scary about the Lions defense is if they ever get good people in the secondary. Their defensive backs have to be among the worst in the game as a group. Their defensive line is getting very stout. If their front four is ever given a second or two more to get to the quarterback than now it will be something opponents will begin to seriously dread. It was nice to see the Lions not blow the game at the end though.
How about them Bears? The Patriots are one of the best teams in the league, but the Bears got absolutely crushed and embarrassed to the point that's well beyond acceptable even considering that or even taken into account they aren't as good as their record makes them seem.
As far as MVP awards (in any sport) or things like the Heisman it should go to the BEST PLAYER, period. Anything else is just usually crap rationalization voters use for themselves to try and justify not giving it to the best player, when it should go to the BEST PLAYER. Not only are they the most prestigious awards, and the most prestigious awards should go to the best player, but even worse they portray themselves as representing the best player that year, which is incredibly false much of the time.
It would be a little less bad than it is now if people didn't look back on history and judge the quality of people by winning that award. When things like if somebody won a MVP award are used more than actual empirical evidence to tell if a player was better than others or was the best then I have an even bigger problem with it. If people treated them as almost meaningless awards taken with a huge grain of salt it might be something else. I guess if they created a new award and made the voters base it on only who they thought the best player was using nothing else other than their skill on offense and defense and made that the most prestigious award while relegating the MVP award to something along the line of a Best Sportsman of the Year Award in prestige or something like that it might be something I could deal with it better, and be more accurate as far as history is concerned.
I also don't understand why anybody would think football was less violent in the past. Whoever believes that must be unknowledgeable or blinded by nostalgia because it was beyond brutal by today standards. There was no way it was less violent and or more safe in the past. Football is being ruined by all the stupid rules they are putting into it. At some point you can't take the risk out of life, and if they try to soften up football anymore than they have it won't be football anymore. It will be some other sport with the football name on it.
If college football wanted an MVP trophy, it would have created one. The Heisman was created to reward the player who played the best and has integrity.
The Heisman is not just an MVP trophy. If people don't like it, then create an MVP trophy that can be awarded to any player. The Heisman has standards and it is unfortunate the organization is being asked to compromise and lower its standards.
It is not an NCAA trophy. If it was, there would be a sponsor's logo on the side of it.
As it is now, Chico's Bail Bonds may be an appropriate corporate sponsor.
The Heisman is not just an MVP trophy. If people don't like it, then create an MVP trophy that can be awarded to any player. The Heisman has standards and it is unfortunate the organization is being asked to compromise and lower its standards.
It is not an NCAA trophy. If it was, there would be a sponsor's logo on the side of it.
As it is now, Chico's Bail Bonds may be an appropriate corporate sponsor.
Ace Bandage
The one and only.
Yeah, we don't have school tomorrow and I'm thinking about making the five hour trek to Detroit. My brother and my dad are going and they're huge Favre/Vikings fans, so naturally I plan to go and root on the Giants. Even though tickets are free, you have to call and reserve them. They start taking requests at 9:00 EST.
Anyone else going? I'll be wearing my Manning jersey if I go. Yeah, Peyton Manning.
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Side note: It was great to see the Bears get their asses handed to them today. I don't want to hear any more bullshit about that team being any good. They're going to lose their remaining regular season games to finish 9-7. Mark it down.
Anyone see that scumbag coach for New York trip that Dolphin player? If that guy's not fired the Jets are the biggest joke of an organization in all of sports:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxqN_t9XI64
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5913168
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxqN_t9XI64
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5913168
If the Bears win next week in Minnesota and GB loses to the Patriots(which will definitely happen), the Bears are NFC North champs.
not quite knee-on-knee but that is a bush-league move
that game was on down here in SW Florida, but I am so sick of being fed Jets games I refused to watch. Yeah, I know all about the TV markets blah, blah, blah, but I am so sick of seeing shitty Jets football.
Feller we can pick this up in the appropriate thread but I would think since there's no tangible way to judge something like integrity of kids who's only presence on the national scene is because of the game they play, the Heisman and Maxwell serve as an MVP award. Sad but true.
I suppose the presumption is unless a kid is engaged in impropriety....they are playing the game with integrity if they're eligible.
