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Re: Mis-identification of the "root cause" ...
That would be true, except that I think your logic is off. I can get .wab files to import perfectly for Mozilla Thunderbird in Windows XP, but I can't get them into Mozilla Thunderbird under Windows Vista.
Mozilla Thunderbird has nothing to do with new releases of Windows from XP to Vista. :dunno:
AFA, you're mis-identifying the "root cause."
You're trying to use Windows Address Book (WAB), which has several, purposely incompatible formats.
Microsoft's entire strategy is to purposely change formats, sometimes incompatibly 2 versions back.
They have done this with MS Word "DOC" format for no less than 5 versions now.
They do it even with the (non-standard) Rich Text Format (RTF) which not only has newer versions, but Microsoft embeds "DOC" attributes in so it's not RTF when you export from Word.
Trust me, they do all this not merely to prevent compatibility, but to force you to buy their software and, more importantly, updates to their software (for even those that own older software).
That would be true, except that I think your logic is off. I can get .wab files to import perfectly for Mozilla Thunderbird in Windows XP, but I can't get them into Mozilla Thunderbird under Windows Vista.
Mozilla Thunderbird has nothing to do with new releases of Windows from XP to Vista. :dunno:
Re: Mis-identification of the "root cause" ...
Considering Windows Vista changed the format of your WAB files from Windows XP.
Remember, file access are system calls through the OS, and Windows does some stupid things with its own data formats.
Don't believe me?
Read up on some of the private lawsuits against Microsoft, when they've purposely changed how a third party application works.
Yes, Microsoft gets sued a lot because of money.
But they also get sued a lot because they purposely fuck with things so they don't work.
Bill Gates' own e-mails are always a great read.
Yes it does!
Considering Windows Vista changed the format of your WAB files from Windows XP.
Remember, file access are system calls through the OS, and Windows does some stupid things with its own data formats.
Don't believe me?
Read up on some of the private lawsuits against Microsoft, when they've purposely changed how a third party application works.
Yes, Microsoft gets sued a lot because of money.
But they also get sued a lot because they purposely fuck with things so they don't work.
Bill Gates' own e-mails are always a great read.
It just keeps on getting better :thumbsup:
Firefox 3 Beta 1 Arrives in Fighting Shape
Firefox 3 Beta 1 Arrives in Fighting Shape
Good to see they're finally launching the Beta. I'm hoping it's out within the year, (which most likely won't happen).
playgurrl2k
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For surfing porn, Windows and IE is just a terrible idea.
Ubuntu with Firefox is this girls choice. The new Beta1 is pretty good too
Ubuntu with Firefox is this girls choice. The new Beta1 is pretty good too
^Latest version of Ubuntu is (apparently) far more user friendly than previous releases, although I have never tried it. Just be careful about the partitioning when you run the installation :thumbsup:
Re: Mis-identification of the "root cause" ...
Are you saying the exact same .wab file under XP, which is directly importable into Thunderbird in XP is changed by Vista itself when you attempt to import it to Thunderbird under Vista?
Ubuntu makes a nice boot CD in order to load windows which helped me at least once.
Yes it does!
Considering Windows Vista changed the format of your WAB files from Windows XP.
Remember, file access are system calls through the OS, and Windows does some stupid things with its own data formats.
Don't believe me?
Read up on some of the private lawsuits against Microsoft, when they've purposely changed how a third party application works.
Yes, Microsoft gets sued a lot because of money.
But they also get sued a lot because they purposely fuck with things so they don't work.
Bill Gates' own e-mails are always a great read.
Are you saying the exact same .wab file under XP, which is directly importable into Thunderbird in XP is changed by Vista itself when you attempt to import it to Thunderbird under Vista?
Ubuntu makes a nice boot CD in order to load windows which helped me at least once.
I'm an FF man .. and have been since i was "introduced" to it in 2003 ... wouldn't go back to IE
playgurrl2k
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I know what u mean about the partitioning, also, did they drop the migration wizard that imports ure favourites from IE??
^Not sure, I'll do some investigating
Linux ladies ...
Ignoring the fact that Shuttleworth is smoking crack recently (don't get me started), Ubuntu is a great consumer distro.
I just hope they don't go the same route of Mandrake (now Mandriva) and can't sustain it.
Nice to have some Linux ladies on the board.
Ignoring the fact that Shuttleworth is smoking crack recently (don't get me started), Ubuntu is a great consumer distro.
I just hope they don't go the same route of Mandrake (now Mandriva) and can't sustain it.
Any OS has the same installation problem ...
It's not a problem if you're installing Linux or Windows as the first and only OS.
Too many people treat Linux installation like it's installing a Windows application, and not installing the Windows OS.
And then they focus so much on the installation, instead of actually using the thing.
Any OS has the same installation problem.
It's not a problem if you're installing Linux or Windows as the first and only OS.
Too many people treat Linux installation like it's installing a Windows application, and not installing the Windows OS.
And then they focus so much on the installation, instead of actually using the thing.
Standards=good, worse-than-proprietary=bad
I was going to suggest an export using a standard format.
Understand Microsoft formats are worst-than-proprietary.
They change them almost every version (at least proprietary vendors do not).
Also understand that for some interfaces, Firefox has to use the Windows libraries.
Hence the issue you ran into here.
BTW, here's more on LDIF:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDIF
The entire LDAP schema for people and related objects is pretty much standardized through the industry.
So much so that Microsoft directly took the open source world's implementation for ActiveDirectory.
But they have so many conflicting standards in their own OS, they still use literally dozens of different schema.
Like the one you just ran into.
OMG, using an open standard worked!
I was going to suggest an export using a standard format.
Understand Microsoft formats are worst-than-proprietary.
They change them almost every version (at least proprietary vendors do not).
Also understand that for some interfaces, Firefox has to use the Windows libraries.
Hence the issue you ran into here.
BTW, here's more on LDIF:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDIF
The entire LDAP schema for people and related objects is pretty much standardized through the industry.
So much so that Microsoft directly took the open source world's implementation for ActiveDirectory.
But they have so many conflicting standards in their own OS, they still use literally dozens of different schema.
Like the one you just ran into.
That was an .ldif from the XP installation of Thunderbird, not an output from Outlook Express, that was read back into the Vista installation of Thunderbird.
I've many times stated my opinions of Microsoft, Gates and the current administration so don't want to be any more redundant than I already have been.
I've many times stated my opinions of Microsoft, Gates and the current administration so don't want to be any more redundant than I already have been.
Correct, because Mozilla was designed for LDAP from Day 1.
Netscape hired away most of the WU LDAP team to create the first commercial LDAP implementation.
It's release predates ActiveDirectory, Microsoft would later swipe the same based code as well.
Most people know it as iPlanet Directory Server.
It is now sold as Red Hat Directory Server, available free as Fedora Directory Server.
Correct. Because WAB is Microsoft's, not Mozilla's.
Mozilla has to reverse engineer the libraries/interfaces used to read WAB, and relies those details.
When Microsoft changes WAB's format, that can cause issues.
RTF, WAB, MAPI, SMB and countless other formats, protocols, etc... have changed over the years, many times with great incompatibility.
The libraries included with Windows may not read older formats, or relay on Microsoft programs to upconvert them.
It's very likely that Mozilla does not yet support the WAB format that Vista's libraries use and support.
It's either that, or the upgrade caused Vista to converted the format of your WAB file.
I don't know how many times I can stress this enough, never use Microsoft formats, and in the best case,
only use Microsoft software to read them (assuming you don't have compatibility issues then -- especially more than 1 version back).
If you use standards-based programs, like Mozilla, fully expect Microsoft software upgrades to break interface compatibility.
Mozilla does not provide WAB, and any compatibility is just "as a bonus," thanx to reverse engineering.
Mozilla does not provide WAB, Windows does (along with Outlook Express).
Understand Microsoft doesn't even provide proprietary software, they provide time-limited compatible software.
They will change libraries and break compatibility with their own software, which is the same deal with other software that attempts to read older formats using newer libraries, interfaces or facilities.
WAB is supported by the OS' libraries, so you're at the mercy of its libraries and compatibility.
It seems Vista changed those in a way that Mozilla has not caught up with.
If you don't want to run into such issues, to not use WAB to store your address book.
Store them in a native, open standard format in Mozilla products themselves.
LDIF is the LDAP export/import exchange format, encapsulating a schema with almost 2 decades of history backed by IETF standards.
Over that same period of time, Microsoft has released no less than a half-dozen different products, not including variants, and countless, incompatible versions.
I could easily go back through the history of MS Post Office / Mail and countless other hacks, through the MAPI interface, and all the various ways they've used to store personnel information before finally just introducing ActiveDirectory.
As even more sad then that is the fact that they still don't use the same interfaces/formats for ActiveDirectory in their "Express" and "Lite" and other programs.
In other words, if you use them, you should blame yourself when the formats change.
There is a reason why corporations are saying "hell no" to Microsoft in their infrastructure these days.
Their track record is horrendous compared to "open systems" for any period of time.
I can't be more plain, do not use WAB if you are using Mozilla products.
It's the same argument for not using Word/Excel/PowerPoint when you are using Writer/Calc/Impress (OpenOffice.org/StarOffice).
It's the same argument for many, many, many other types of software that have been around 10, 15 or even 20 years without the format non-sense of alleged Microsoft "standards."
Aces&Jacks
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Damn! I'm getting a hard-on reading your computer talk.
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