ApolloBalboa
Was King of the Board for a Day
He'll just pretend that they don't exist until they repeal their statements, at which point he'll either claim they were brainwashed or paid off by the Obama administration.
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Most say it's the guns. I say, it's today's society
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He'll just pretend that they don't exist until they repeal their statements, at which point he'll either claim they were brainwashed or paid off by the Obama administration.
Let's let him comment.
Just look at Marseille and other towns of the south of France of how many people were dead by being shot with an illegally acquired weapon. Merah was scum and most of the dirtbags living in the French ghettos are more or less a felons with a dirty records who are known to do underground economy and possess illegally acquired firearms.
The population of the USA is six times bigger than the population of France, think about it. Switzerland has also laws where citizens can buy M2 HB cal 50 or a Barett xm 107 cal 50 rifle, so what? Does this mean that Switzerland has a lot of murders despite its citizens can buy what they want in terms of firearms? No, not at all because in Switzerland there is the citizen soldier system. I have never heard nor read about a shooting in Switzerland since 25 years.
Sam Fisher
Banned
They aren't true Conservatives.
I don't push an agenda that "they" (meaning anyone or everybody) has to like, own, carry, a firearm. They are free to not own firearms. Just as I am free to own and carry a firearm.
Sam Fisher
Banned
March 2010
Main article: Nanping school massacre
On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng (郑民生)[2] 41, murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping,[3] Fujian province;[4] The attack was widely reported in Chinese media (called 南平实验小学重大凶杀案),[2] sparking fears of copycat crimes.[4] Following a quick trial, Zheng Minsheng was executed about one month later on April 28.[3]
[edit]April 2010
Just a few hours after the execution of Zheng Minsheng in neighboring Fujian Province,[5] in Leizhou,[6] Guangdong another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, 33 (陈康炳)[7] at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher.[4] Chen Kangbing had been a teacher at a different primary school in Leizhou;[7] he was sentenced to death by a court in Zhanjiang in June.[8]
On April 29 in Taixing,[3] Jiangsu, 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to Zhongxin Kindergarten[9] and stabbed 28 students, two teachers and one security guard;[4] most of the Taixing students were 4 years old.[10]
On April 30, Wang Yonglai used a hammer to cause head injury to preschool children in Weifang,[3] Shandong, then used gasoline to commit suicide by self-immolation.[4]
[edit]May 2010
An attacker named Wu Huanming (吴环明), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi on May 12, 2010;[3] early reports were removed from the internet in China, for fear that mass coverage of such violence can provoke copycat attacks.[3][11] The attacker later committed suicide at his house; he was the landlord of the school,[12] Shengshui Temple private kindergarten, and had been involved in an ongoing dispute with the school administrator about when the school would move out of the building.[12]
On May 18, 2010 at Hainan Institute of Science and Technology (海南科技职业学院), a vocational college in Haikou, Hainan, more than 10 men[13] charged into a dormitory wielding knives around 2:30 am;[14] after attacking the security guard and disabling security cameras, 9 students were injured, 1 seriously.[14] The local men attacked the dorm in an act of revenge and retaliation against college students following conflict the previous day at an off-campus food stall in which 4 students were injured, for a total of 13.[15]
[edit]August 2010
On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang (方建堂) slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at a kindergarten in Zibo, Shandong province. Of the injured, 3 other children and 4 teachers were taken to the hospital. After being caught Fang confessed to the crime; his motive is not yet known.[16]
[edit]August 2011
Eight children, all aged four or five,[17] were hurt in Minhang District, Shanghai when an employee at a child-care centre for migrant workers slashed them with a box-cutter.[18]
[edit]September 2011
In September 2011, a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi,[19] Henan by 30-year-old Wang Hongbin with an axe.[20] Another child and an adult were seriously wounded but survived.[21] The suspect is a local farmer who is suspected of being mentally ill.[22]
[edit]Causes
Prof. Joshua Miller, chair of Social Welfare Policy at Smith College, attributed the attacks to stress caused by "rapid social change, mass migrations, increasing disparities in wealth and weakening of traditions."[23] Some sociologists believe some of these attacks may be due to the PRC government's failure to diagnose and treat mental illness.[14] The perpetrators may feel victimized by stress due to the rapid social changes[14] in China during the last 10 years caused by the privatization and decreased social security of China's reform and opening period. During this time, more and more migrant workers from rural areas have moved to cities such as Shanghai to find jobs. However because they do not have social security (because of the hukou system), many of them do not have health insurance. Because of the financial crisis of 2007–2010, some have lost their jobs, which is stigmatized in China, and have had to return to their native villages jobless and unemployed. The choice of schools for most of the attacks means they could be copycat crimes.[14][23]
[edit]Reaction and response
Since the recent spate of attacks, many parents are now worried about their children's safety in schools and have since asked local officials and school governors to step up security at the schools. The education ministry has formed an emergency panel to tackle the violence and some local police authorities have distributed such instruments as steel pitchforks and pepper spray to security guards in schools. However not all schools increased their security because of lack of funds to hire extra security. The state media has also been keeping news of these attacks quiet by deleting forum entries on the internet and releasing few facts on the incident for fear of copycat crimes and mass panic. In May 2010 Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao commented on the school attacks and said that the 'social tensions' in China must be addressed. He also said society was changing rapidly and that subsequent changes in policy were needed. Why these attacks have been specifically targeted at young school children is not entirely explicable, however.[24]
wiki
NOTE: Not one firearm was used. When are you people going to come to grips with the fact that there are evil people in the world and will stop at nothing to do harm to others?
Main article: Nanping school massacre
On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng (郑民生)[2] 41, murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping,[3] Fujian province;[4] The attack was widely reported in Chinese media (called 南平实验小学重大凶杀案),[2] sparking fears of copycat crimes.[4] Following a quick trial, Zheng Minsheng was executed about one month later on April 28.[3]
[edit]April 2010
Just a few hours after the execution of Zheng Minsheng in neighboring Fujian Province,[5] in Leizhou,[6] Guangdong another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, 33 (陈康炳)[7] at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher.[4] Chen Kangbing had been a teacher at a different primary school in Leizhou;[7] he was sentenced to death by a court in Zhanjiang in June.[8]
On April 29 in Taixing,[3] Jiangsu, 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to Zhongxin Kindergarten[9] and stabbed 28 students, two teachers and one security guard;[4] most of the Taixing students were 4 years old.[10]
On April 30, Wang Yonglai used a hammer to cause head injury to preschool children in Weifang,[3] Shandong, then used gasoline to commit suicide by self-immolation.[4]
[edit]May 2010
An attacker named Wu Huanming (吴环明), 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi on May 12, 2010;[3] early reports were removed from the internet in China, for fear that mass coverage of such violence can provoke copycat attacks.[3][11] The attacker later committed suicide at his house; he was the landlord of the school,[12] Shengshui Temple private kindergarten, and had been involved in an ongoing dispute with the school administrator about when the school would move out of the building.[12]
On May 18, 2010 at Hainan Institute of Science and Technology (海南科技职业学院), a vocational college in Haikou, Hainan, more than 10 men[13] charged into a dormitory wielding knives around 2:30 am;[14] after attacking the security guard and disabling security cameras, 9 students were injured, 1 seriously.[14] The local men attacked the dorm in an act of revenge and retaliation against college students following conflict the previous day at an off-campus food stall in which 4 students were injured, for a total of 13.[15]
[edit]August 2010
On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang (方建堂) slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at a kindergarten in Zibo, Shandong province. Of the injured, 3 other children and 4 teachers were taken to the hospital. After being caught Fang confessed to the crime; his motive is not yet known.[16]
[edit]August 2011
Eight children, all aged four or five,[17] were hurt in Minhang District, Shanghai when an employee at a child-care centre for migrant workers slashed them with a box-cutter.[18]
[edit]September 2011
In September 2011, a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi,[19] Henan by 30-year-old Wang Hongbin with an axe.[20] Another child and an adult were seriously wounded but survived.[21] The suspect is a local farmer who is suspected of being mentally ill.[22]
[edit]Causes
Prof. Joshua Miller, chair of Social Welfare Policy at Smith College, attributed the attacks to stress caused by "rapid social change, mass migrations, increasing disparities in wealth and weakening of traditions."[23] Some sociologists believe some of these attacks may be due to the PRC government's failure to diagnose and treat mental illness.[14] The perpetrators may feel victimized by stress due to the rapid social changes[14] in China during the last 10 years caused by the privatization and decreased social security of China's reform and opening period. During this time, more and more migrant workers from rural areas have moved to cities such as Shanghai to find jobs. However because they do not have social security (because of the hukou system), many of them do not have health insurance. Because of the financial crisis of 2007–2010, some have lost their jobs, which is stigmatized in China, and have had to return to their native villages jobless and unemployed. The choice of schools for most of the attacks means they could be copycat crimes.[14][23]
[edit]Reaction and response
Since the recent spate of attacks, many parents are now worried about their children's safety in schools and have since asked local officials and school governors to step up security at the schools. The education ministry has formed an emergency panel to tackle the violence and some local police authorities have distributed such instruments as steel pitchforks and pepper spray to security guards in schools. However not all schools increased their security because of lack of funds to hire extra security. The state media has also been keeping news of these attacks quiet by deleting forum entries on the internet and releasing few facts on the incident for fear of copycat crimes and mass panic. In May 2010 Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao commented on the school attacks and said that the 'social tensions' in China must be addressed. He also said society was changing rapidly and that subsequent changes in policy were needed. Why these attacks have been specifically targeted at young school children is not entirely explicable, however.[24]
wiki
NOTE: Not one firearm was used. When are you people going to come to grips with the fact that there are evil people in the world and will stop at nothing to do harm to others?
Sam Fisher
Banned
German school gunman 'kills 15' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7936817.stm
I said I wouldn't post in this forum for a while because I've already said my fair share.
And look, it's been almost a whole 24 hours! So here's a thought:
In 2009 (or in some cases, 2008) the countries of Germany, France, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Ireland and New Zealand had total Gun Homicides of 709. These are fairly industrialized nations with liberal democratic institutions, a mostly Christian heritage and free markets and their combined population is roughly equivalent to the U.S., yet we had 9,146 Gun Homicides.
I'm sorry, I don't believe Americans are more homicidal by nature. I think these countries have gun laws that make sense.
And since the 2nd Amendment is often tossed around in these types of discussions, let's just refresh our memories as to what it actually says:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
In modern terms, State Militia's are what we now call the National Guard. And in the late 18th Century, they didn't have active members. Militia's formed on an ad hoc basis in response to domestic emergencies, and when someone was called to duty, they were expected to bring their own gun.
We don't do things this way anymore. I'm not saying guns should be banned, but we shouldn't give guns out like candy based solely on an historical anachronism, especially when the first thing that is said about Militia's in the text itself is that they should be "well regulated."
And look, it's been almost a whole 24 hours! So here's a thought:
In 2009 (or in some cases, 2008) the countries of Germany, France, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Ireland and New Zealand had total Gun Homicides of 709. These are fairly industrialized nations with liberal democratic institutions, a mostly Christian heritage and free markets and their combined population is roughly equivalent to the U.S., yet we had 9,146 Gun Homicides.
I'm sorry, I don't believe Americans are more homicidal by nature. I think these countries have gun laws that make sense.
And since the 2nd Amendment is often tossed around in these types of discussions, let's just refresh our memories as to what it actually says:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
In modern terms, State Militia's are what we now call the National Guard. And in the late 18th Century, they didn't have active members. Militia's formed on an ad hoc basis in response to domestic emergencies, and when someone was called to duty, they were expected to bring their own gun.
We don't do things this way anymore. I'm not saying guns should be banned, but we shouldn't give guns out like candy based solely on an historical anachronism, especially when the first thing that is said about Militia's in the text itself is that they should be "well regulated."
I just don't see the need for automatic weapons
larss
I'm watching some specialist videos
You seem to be saying that we live in a dictatorship in the UK. This is not even close to the truth. What we do have is a society that, in the main, thinks that gun control is a good thing, that we do not need firearms in everyday life. I live in a country where the police do not carry firearms as a matter of course, and that only specially trained firearms officers are ever issued weapons (this includes tasers).
Guns can be used in the UK by the general public, but only in gun clubs. Here the arms are securely stored, so a person such as yourself can still shoot, just under safer, controlled conditions.
Just picking up on point 2.
If film and TV is so influential, then how come there are not more random acts of hilarity due to the huge popularity of comedy films and TV? :dunno:
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
No. I said you are a democracy, but not free. they are different. Our guns, are what obtained us our freedom from your countries oppressive rule.
China : 1,347,350,000 people
USA : 314,959,000 people
So, if knives, clubs, hammers etc. were as dangerous as guns are you would have 4x more killings in China than in the US...
20 people slashed, 3 killed. If he had a gun, there would have been at least 10 killed.
So who gets to decide what a "true Conservative" is? Are you the only one that is able to dictate what that means?
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Same old stuff from you, Sam. You haven't really changed. You've toned down the vitriolic language a bit but the same dodge-ball tactics from you have continued unabated. Why won't you answer questions when you are asked? Why the fuck am I even bothering to ask?? :dunno:
Actually, the UK is a Constitutional Monarchy. They have liberal democratic institutions, but they're not a democracy. Neither is the US. We have a Democratic Republic, or a Constitutional Democracy, if you will. But both the US and the UK are quite free. I'm not sure what your definition of freedom is if you think the UK is "not free."
Yeah, I'm sure you're not a stupid person, but that's a pretty stupid statement. At the moment, the only thing I want to point out is that several of your fellow gun rights supporters in this thread and elsewhere have gone to great pains to insist that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." They (and I'm assuming, you also) don't want to be lumped in with sociopaths and criminals simply because you believe in a right to bear arms. And I think that's a fair point. People who don't "like" guns don't understand those who do, and that's a bias and it's not right to label people, directly or indirectly, as criminals simply because of a single belief they share in common with those who commit ghastly crimes.
But you can't have it both ways. Saying that our guns are what won our freedom is an insult to the memory of all who fought in the Revolutionary War, many of whom died in the service of a fledgling nation.
Guns don't defend our country, people do.
Sam Fisher
Banned
Originally Posted by Sam Fisher
"I routinely ignore those who challenge my position with reasonable and insightful questions by simply repeating the same thing over and over again and without actually engaging in any meaningful discussion on the matter in question with anyone."
Where did you get that quote? I don't recall ever saying that.
Rattrap
Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Very important, this - it serves two functions: stops psychopaths from being able to just go to their friend's (mother's, uncle's, whatever) place and get a gun. Secondly, being a club provides a social setting where members are able to potentially pick up cues if another member's beginning to go off the deep end.
But especially the first.
Well put.
You don't remeber what you said, you still llive in the 50'... Ever considered having an Alzheimer test ?
Sam Fisher
Banned
Show the thread and that quote. Like I said, I don't recall ever saying that statement.
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