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More Trump winning!! Obamacare repeal passes house vote
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meesterperfect
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It's nice to see you happy.
Reveling in the Glory that comes with Victory.
Just like Augustus Caesar, Henry V, Napolean, and George C. Scott must have felt after their victories.
Congratulations, You deserve this.
I'm happy for you.
Right on and MAGA!
Sounds like I might get to pay over 50K out of pocket for a pre-existing condition I've had for 30 years again soon :banger:
Woo hoo! I'm soooo relieved! I'd begun to feel like a real leech these a last two years - a real drain on society. Welfare ghetto trash, as Georges might describe it.
And my poor insurance companies
Oh how I've abused them. They've only profited a couple of hundred grand off my premiums during those 30 years being as I've had no non pre existing conditions to bill them for.
It does make me wonder a bit though what becomes of people in my position who can't' afford to pay that 50K per year out of pocket. Oh well, I guess they just become homeless, or roll over and die Survival of the fittest, baby :thumbsup:
Sounds like I might get to pay over 50K out of pocket for a pre-existing condition I've had for 30 years again soon :banger:
Woo hoo! I'm soooo relieved! I'd begun to feel like a real leech these a last two years - a real drain on society. Welfare ghetto trash, as Georges might describe it.
And my poor insurance companies
Oh how I've abused them. They've only profited a couple of hundred grand off my premiums during those 30 years being as I've had no non pre existing conditions to bill them for.It does make me wonder a bit though what becomes of people in my position who can't' afford to pay that 50K per year out of pocket. Oh well, I guess they just become homeless, or roll over and die
Survival of the fittest, baby :thumbsup:
bobjustbob
Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
CDC says that 78M people are obese. Is the repeal of Obamacare going to block their doors from walking around the block and shove doughnuts down their throats?
Life is a preexisting condition
HansMoleman
Chief Porn Collector
Obesity is usually a condition of the poor. Healthy food is typically more expensive (to buy and to prepare) than unhealthy food. The poor typically work longer hours or more tiring jobs, having less time and energy to cook. Plus access to gyms, etc. I hate the obesity epidemic, but I blame poverty and the convenience of unhealthy food.
Yeah because there aren't any fat rich people.
The obesity epidemic can be traced to the availability of food stamps and the fact that the recipients can buy any junk food they want with them.
bobjustbob
Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
The availability of healthcare is not a problem. Pills have replaced surgery. Diagnosis technology is mind boggling and only getting better. People are living longer. The problem is the cost. This needs to be addressed now. Throwing money at the problem isn't the answer.
I'll spare y'all the mantra I've posted every time this subject comes up. Still looking for a solution better than mine.
I'll spare y'all the mantra I've posted every time this subject comes up. Still looking for a solution better than mine.
meesterperfect
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Dearest bob,
I hope this letter finds you well.
Are we sure people are living longer now? I'm talkin USA.
If so I believe that stat may change over the next decade or 2.
I think many factors including quality of food, ingredients of food, less active lifestyles, more stress than before, and other things are making
people die younger today than in the past decades.
I base this on my personal observances and not any "official statistics".
And obesity, jeez. Everywhere I go I see huge people that are a very unhealthy degree of fat. Many cant even walk.
A very disturbing percentage. I never saw that when I was a young whipper snapper.
In stores sometimes I have to skip isles just to avoid very very large people.
And my final thought.
High Fructose Corn Syrup.
Became prevelent in the early 90's. Right before the country balloooned up.
I have no doubt that this is the major cause of obesity especially in youths.
Just some thoughts. If people are living longer today I think that stat will be changing soon.
Many cant walk.
Rattrap
Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Round two: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Health_Care_Act
Second paragraph mentions cost savings ranging from $350 billion per year immediately to 40% of all national health expenditures.
From the same people that said "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. Period."
#LiberalismIsAMentalDisorder
#LiberalismIsAMentalDisorder
HansMoleman
Chief Porn Collector
I do agree with this point. Though I haven't heard any competent plan from either side that would result in lower prices. The left's argument was that if everyone was in a healthcare plan, the costs would go down. In theory, that makes sense. But most people who had insurance, had it due to a benefit of their job. These are typically working, healthy people too busy (and healthy) to go to the doctor all the time and cost money for the insurance company. Most people that had no insurance (not all, of course) were that way because their insurance was too expensive and/or they didn't have a job that included it. These were more likely to be older, sicker people. So getting them on insurance plans drove the costs up for everyone else.
The only thing I've heard from the right to drive down costs is the "across state lines" thing which I'm not sure why that's a partisan issue. But realistically you can't expect that to affect cost in any significant way, as most large insurance companies have no problem competing in markets they find profitable.
The real problem with cost seems to be that we are all focused on the thing we pay for - insurance. But what really makes insurance high is health care as a whole is stupid expensive in America. Hospitals, doctors, labs, equipment, medicine, etc. are all outrageously expensive compared to other countries. But the only thing we see is the cost of insurance. We don't shop for a doctor based on cost. We don't choose a lab to get our results from because one was a bargain. Insurance causes our "capitalist" healthcare system to put blindfolds on all the consumers, therefore defeats the purpose of having a capitalist system.
Rattrap
Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Single payer.
Already in the chute for when free market options were exhausted.
Part of the master plan to destroy free market healthcare.
Move along, nothing to see here.
And how well was that free market healthcare working for us?
Seems to me it was/is destroying a lot of us.
I mean sure, I like the concept in theory. But why is it such a sacred cow, despite having evolved into such a gawdawful fucked up mess in practice?
Really not sure what all the celebrating is about as I don't see much of anything in this new bill that's going alleviate that mess.
How is free market anything working for those that can't afford something?
Here's how the free market works.
If you can't afford to buy it, you don't get it.
Now if the government wants to create a channel for those that can't afford certain things like food or healthcare for those who through no fault of their own cannot work or provide for themselves... Wait!
But yeah, I agree this really isn't much of a change. Democrats are complaining about it simply as a wedge issue for 2018.
Hopefully my deductibles and premiums will reduce a little. I'm not holding my breath.
bobjustbob
Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
Those were estimates from 10 years ago, before the bill was passed into law. Have those numbers stood up under the working system?
Rattrap
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Did you...actually read that? It's a bill in the House right now. Not law.
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