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You know i'm glad UFC is giving away a show (FREE) on spike on JULY 19.
i just saw an advertisement about the Affliction PPV show with Fedor v Silvia.
YEA GREAT...why wait 10 days before the show to start hyping!it was a small 2x2 square on my yahoo mail page.
i don't give a fuck about Fedor the guys hasn't fought ANYONE and ppl think he is the best. fuck that the guy sucks.
im glad the UFC is running a show opposite of that ppv on July19.
i know what i'll be watching.
i just saw an advertisement about the Affliction PPV show with Fedor v Silvia.
YEA GREAT...why wait 10 days before the show to start hyping!it was a small 2x2 square on my yahoo mail page.
i don't give a fuck about Fedor the guys hasn't fought ANYONE and ppl think he is the best. fuck that the guy sucks.
im glad the UFC is running a show opposite of that ppv on July19.
i know what i'll be watching.
Fedor hasn't fought anyone? C'mon man. Every fighter wants to emulate him because he sucks? Every promoter wants a piece of him cause he sucks? He's 27-1 cause he sucks?
He beat Ricardo Arono and Babalu Sobral, two of the most feared submission fighters in all of mma early in his career. Then he went to Pride and handled Semmy Schilt, who's been unstoppable in K1. Still everybody figured he'd met his match in Heath Herring. Herring was looked at by a lot of people as 'the next big thing' having just taken out Igor Vovchancyn and Mark Kerr. Fedor laid a beating on him.
Had a war with Big Nog (who's ranked #2 to Fedor to this day) and took the title. Won 7 straight fights all via stoppages including Gary Goodridge, Mark Coleman and Kevin Randleman. Randleman had just KO'd Cro Cop who was regarded as a total monster by that point. Coleman had just beat Don Frye and Goodridge hadn't lost in like 2 years. This wasn't the 2008 versions of these guys. Also defended against Nog again.
By 2005 Cro Cop and Fedor had been on a collision course for years. It was regarded as the biggest fight ever in the sport, especially HW. Cro Cop had destroyed everyone with the exception of Nogueira. He took revenge on Randleman in about 30 seconds, kicked Fedor's brother Aleks in the head and smashed Josh Barnett. A LOT of people thought Cro Cop was going to do the same to Fedor. Nope. Fedor went in and shut Cro Cop down for 20 mins.
I wouldn't take anything away from his recent wins either. Matt Lindland, Olympic medalist. Very highly regarded fighter, even if he's from a lighter weight class still very talented. Mark Hunt, K1 Grand Prix Champ and has wins over Wanderlei and Cro Cop in mma. And 2 giants, Zulu and Hong Man Choi, another K1 champ. All still dangerous fights.
If you ask me there's only 3 or 4 guys left who Fedor hasn't beaten (Sylvia, Barnett and Randy come to mind.) Is it not enough that he reigned as champ when Pride was recognized to have most of the best heavyweights at the time?
He beat Ricardo Arono and Babalu Sobral, two of the most feared submission fighters in all of mma early in his career. Then he went to Pride and handled Semmy Schilt, who's been unstoppable in K1. Still everybody figured he'd met his match in Heath Herring. Herring was looked at by a lot of people as 'the next big thing' having just taken out Igor Vovchancyn and Mark Kerr. Fedor laid a beating on him.
Had a war with Big Nog (who's ranked #2 to Fedor to this day) and took the title. Won 7 straight fights all via stoppages including Gary Goodridge, Mark Coleman and Kevin Randleman. Randleman had just KO'd Cro Cop who was regarded as a total monster by that point. Coleman had just beat Don Frye and Goodridge hadn't lost in like 2 years. This wasn't the 2008 versions of these guys. Also defended against Nog again.
By 2005 Cro Cop and Fedor had been on a collision course for years. It was regarded as the biggest fight ever in the sport, especially HW. Cro Cop had destroyed everyone with the exception of Nogueira. He took revenge on Randleman in about 30 seconds, kicked Fedor's brother Aleks in the head and smashed Josh Barnett. A LOT of people thought Cro Cop was going to do the same to Fedor. Nope. Fedor went in and shut Cro Cop down for 20 mins.
I wouldn't take anything away from his recent wins either. Matt Lindland, Olympic medalist. Very highly regarded fighter, even if he's from a lighter weight class still very talented. Mark Hunt, K1 Grand Prix Champ and has wins over Wanderlei and Cro Cop in mma. And 2 giants, Zulu and Hong Man Choi, another K1 champ. All still dangerous fights.
If you ask me there's only 3 or 4 guys left who Fedor hasn't beaten (Sylvia, Barnett and Randy come to mind.) Is it not enough that he reigned as champ when Pride was recognized to have most of the best heavyweights at the time?
^ Damn kebert...that was one hell of a review on the "perfect fighter" :glugglug:
I remember a lot of those fights and LMAO when they got KTFO :1orglaugh
Yes, Fedor hasn't fought in awhile but he's one of the best in the business.
A fighter with ground/pound, submission and a fearless striker.
When people think of a "fighter" they think of a big muscular dude, not Fedor.
He has man fat and will beat the shit out of you standing up or on the ground
Like "Royce Gracie" (beginning era of UFC) was the scrawniest fucker and would win over guys 2x bigger and stronger than him :wtf: by submission.
Fedor would knock your ass out :nanner: before he submits you
(which I think that's boring
) Only reason he would submit is if they're bigger and stronger than him e.g:
Mark Hunt (400 lbs), Hong Man Choi (7'2") and Randleman (Black Hulk) just to name a few.
For someone to flat out say "he suck" don't know who he is and what he's capable of.
Silvia will get demolish however upsets are inevitable in the MMA world + he hasn't fought in awhile and he's getting old but he's still the "Pride" champ in eyes and I have yet to see someone beat him.
Kebert you said he's 27-1....who beat him?
I remember a lot of those fights and LMAO when they got KTFO :1orglaugh
Yes, Fedor hasn't fought in awhile but he's one of the best in the business.
A fighter with ground/pound, submission and a fearless striker.
When people think of a "fighter" they think of a big muscular dude, not Fedor.
He has man fat and will beat the shit out of you standing up or on the ground
Like "Royce Gracie" (beginning era of UFC) was the scrawniest fucker and would win over guys 2x bigger and stronger than him :wtf: by submission.
Fedor would knock your ass out :nanner: before he submits you
(which I think that's boring
) Only reason he would submit is if they're bigger and stronger than him e.g: Mark Hunt (400 lbs), Hong Man Choi (7'2") and Randleman (Black Hulk) just to name a few.
For someone to flat out say "he suck" don't know who he is and what he's capable of.
Silvia will get demolish however upsets are inevitable in the MMA world + he hasn't fought in awhile and he's getting old but he's still the "Pride" champ in eyes and I have yet to see someone beat him.
Kebert you said he's 27-1....who beat him?
Tsuyoshi Kohsaka or just TK (fought in the UFC way back) is that one check in the L column. A cut like 10 seconds into the fight. It likely would've been a no contest in a lot of places. Just for the record, I don't think Fedor is the perfect fighter. Right now, pound for pound I like Anderson Silva better. I do think Fedor's a more accomplished fighter than him, and more accomplished than any HW in MMA. And for anyone to say he hasn't fought top fighters, that's just so far from the truth.
I call him the "perfect fighter" cause that's what they call him...right
Like Anderson "the spider" Silva and yes, he's a very skilled fighter.
I'd like to see those two fight but the weight class clash would not allow it.
Like Anderson "the spider" Silva and yes, he's a very skilled fighter.
I'd like to see those two fight but the weight class clash would not allow it.
I call him the "perfect fighter" cause that's what they call him...right
Like Anderson "the spider" Silva and yes, he's a very skilled fighter.
I'd like to see those two fight but the weight class clash would not allow it.
Who knows? Maybe Silva will clean out the Light heavyweights too and move all the way up to heavyweight. In this sport it's just as possible Fedor will lose his next 3 fights and fall off the face of the earth. I mean Forrest Griffin is the LHW champ for crying out loud.
ok i admit i haven't seen much from fedor but he is unimpressive to me. when was his last fight? december of 07? and Cro Cop came to the UFC with all this hype and he freakin tanked.
i hope sylvia beats he easily and it will just prove the guy is not as great as everyone thinks.
and if he is this "perfect fighter" why is he fighing for these 2 bit,upstart companies?
why doesn't he use his "almighty" influence and get into the biggest company in the world?
i think he is afraid to be exposed or to be beat.
i hope sylvia beats he easily and it will just prove the guy is not as great as everyone thinks.
and if he is this "perfect fighter" why is he fighing for these 2 bit,upstart companies?
why doesn't he use his "almighty" influence and get into the biggest company in the world?
i think he is afraid to be exposed or to be beat.
Affliction ponied up the dough for Fedor. The UFC wouldn't sign him because apparently his management had some pretty crazy demands, and if you want to be in the UFC you gotta play by their rules. Also, it just so happens there are more top heavyweights fighting outside of the UFC than in it. Maybe you should just stick to watching TUF and thinking that the world revolves around it.
I think Yahoo Sports saw my Fedor rant from the other day...j/k
Yahoo > Me :hatsoff:
Fedor’s Top 10 moments
By Dave Meltzer, Yahoo! Sports 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
A look at 10 of the most important and memorable matches and moments that made Emelianenko arguably the top fighter in mixed martial arts history:
10. February 15, 2002: def. Chris Haseman in 2:50 to win the 2001-02 RINGS world championship tournament. He became both the first and last world heavyweight champion of the unique group that started as a pro wrestling promotion and transitioned to real matches without planned finishes years before Emelianenko started with them. As champion, this made his name in Japan and led to the more popular PRIDE organization immediately signing him.
9. December 31, 2007: def. Choi Hong-man in 1:54. Hong-man, at 7-2½ and 367 pounds, was the world’s largest professional fighter, but one with only one MMA match, that against a well-known Japanese TV comedian who wasn’t considered a serious fighter. Hong-man took Emelianenko down and bruised up his face, but it took only 1:54 before Emelianenko had him tapping to an armbar.
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8. April 3, 2005: def. Tsuyoshi Kosaka via doctor stoppage at the end of the first round. In 2000, Kosaka handed Emelianenko his only pro loss, but it was from a blood stoppage from an illegal blow, and the match should have been either a no contest or a disqualification win for Emelianenko. It took years for the rematch, but Emelianenko took Kosaka down and for 10 minutes, gave him a one-sided drubbing.
7. June 23, 2002: def. Semmy Schilt via decision. This was Emelianenko’s PRIDE debut, and he was put in with a dangerous striker who was seven feet tall. But Emelianenko took him down at will and pounded on him the entire match for a one-sided decision.
6. August 15, 2004: No decision with Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. The finals of a several-month long heavyweight tournament to determine No. 1 in the world ended in disappointing fashion. After the two top heavyweights in the world at the time collided heads, Emelianenko had a deep cut opened up on his forehead and the match had to be stopped in 3:52. To this day, Nogueira claims he should have won the match and the championship. But the reality is four months later, the two battled in a rematch and Emelianenko dominated every aspect of the game against UFC’s current champion for the decision win.
5. March 16, 2003: def. Nogueira to win the PRIDE heavyweight title. At this point, Nogueira was the one who people thought was unbeatable, in a match for what at the time was the sport’s premier heavyweight title. Emelianenko proved too strong, taking Nogueira down at will and beating on him for three rounds to take unanimous decision.
4. June 8, 2003: def. Kazuyuki Fujita. While the Nogueira and Kosaka fights showed that Fedor was human and could bleed, it was this fight that teased he actually could be beaten. Fujita, a popular Japanese pro wrestling star, connected with a right hand and the normally stoic Russian lost his legs and was one punch from being finished. In hindsight, Fujita went with his instinct and took Emelianenko down instead of trying to finish him with another punch. Almost instantly after being nearly knocked out, he maneuvered Fujita into a choke and made him tap.
3. June 20, 2004: def. Kevin Randleman. Much like Fujita, this match contained perhaps the most memorable moment of Emelianenko’s career. In a highlight reel played to death in Japan, Randleman picked Emelianenko up and dropped him on the top of his head with a back suplex. The bad news? That only made the Russian mad, as he got right up, completely unharmed, and had Randleman tapping to a Kimura seconds later.
2. August 28, 2005: def. Mirko Cro Cop. At the time, this was considered the biggest heavyweight match in MMA history, as two foreigners were the legitimate drawing cards in selling out the 35,000-seat Saitama Super Arena. Cro Cop, the challenger, was the star and the crowd favorite, as an emotional music video played as he came to the ring. It left Cro Cop, and much of the crowd in tears, showing Cro Cop’s training rage in coping with the death of his parents. There was a lot of thought that Cro Cop’s takedown defense and superior striking would end the two-year title reign. But then the fight started. Against the man considered the most feared heavyweight striker, Emelianenko stood with him, played his game and outstruck him to win an easy decision.
1. December 31, 2003: def. Yuji Nagata. As a match itself, this was insignificant. Emelianenko was expected to win quick against another well-known pro wrestler, and it only took him 1:02 to do so. It was a high-profile match on what may have been the biggest night in the history of the sport in Japan. Three different networks all put MMA telecasts on New Year’s Eve. Emelianenko, the PRIDE champion, switched sides and fought for a rival group on a rival network. According to a Japanese tabloid magazine, threats were made by the Yakuza representing PRIDE against the promoter of the show. When the threats went public in 2006, the Fuji Network, which aired PRIDE on television, dropped the promotion. With the taint of scandal, no other network in Japan would touch the group. Without the TV exposure, the group was doomed. In 2007, it was sold to the UFC, which, also unable to secure a television deal in Japan, then folded the promotion.
Yahoo > Me :hatsoff:
Fedor’s Top 10 moments
By Dave Meltzer, Yahoo! Sports 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
A look at 10 of the most important and memorable matches and moments that made Emelianenko arguably the top fighter in mixed martial arts history:
10. February 15, 2002: def. Chris Haseman in 2:50 to win the 2001-02 RINGS world championship tournament. He became both the first and last world heavyweight champion of the unique group that started as a pro wrestling promotion and transitioned to real matches without planned finishes years before Emelianenko started with them. As champion, this made his name in Japan and led to the more popular PRIDE organization immediately signing him.
9. December 31, 2007: def. Choi Hong-man in 1:54. Hong-man, at 7-2½ and 367 pounds, was the world’s largest professional fighter, but one with only one MMA match, that against a well-known Japanese TV comedian who wasn’t considered a serious fighter. Hong-man took Emelianenko down and bruised up his face, but it took only 1:54 before Emelianenko had him tapping to an armbar.
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8. April 3, 2005: def. Tsuyoshi Kosaka via doctor stoppage at the end of the first round. In 2000, Kosaka handed Emelianenko his only pro loss, but it was from a blood stoppage from an illegal blow, and the match should have been either a no contest or a disqualification win for Emelianenko. It took years for the rematch, but Emelianenko took Kosaka down and for 10 minutes, gave him a one-sided drubbing.
7. June 23, 2002: def. Semmy Schilt via decision. This was Emelianenko’s PRIDE debut, and he was put in with a dangerous striker who was seven feet tall. But Emelianenko took him down at will and pounded on him the entire match for a one-sided decision.
6. August 15, 2004: No decision with Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. The finals of a several-month long heavyweight tournament to determine No. 1 in the world ended in disappointing fashion. After the two top heavyweights in the world at the time collided heads, Emelianenko had a deep cut opened up on his forehead and the match had to be stopped in 3:52. To this day, Nogueira claims he should have won the match and the championship. But the reality is four months later, the two battled in a rematch and Emelianenko dominated every aspect of the game against UFC’s current champion for the decision win.
5. March 16, 2003: def. Nogueira to win the PRIDE heavyweight title. At this point, Nogueira was the one who people thought was unbeatable, in a match for what at the time was the sport’s premier heavyweight title. Emelianenko proved too strong, taking Nogueira down at will and beating on him for three rounds to take unanimous decision.
4. June 8, 2003: def. Kazuyuki Fujita. While the Nogueira and Kosaka fights showed that Fedor was human and could bleed, it was this fight that teased he actually could be beaten. Fujita, a popular Japanese pro wrestling star, connected with a right hand and the normally stoic Russian lost his legs and was one punch from being finished. In hindsight, Fujita went with his instinct and took Emelianenko down instead of trying to finish him with another punch. Almost instantly after being nearly knocked out, he maneuvered Fujita into a choke and made him tap.
3. June 20, 2004: def. Kevin Randleman. Much like Fujita, this match contained perhaps the most memorable moment of Emelianenko’s career. In a highlight reel played to death in Japan, Randleman picked Emelianenko up and dropped him on the top of his head with a back suplex. The bad news? That only made the Russian mad, as he got right up, completely unharmed, and had Randleman tapping to a Kimura seconds later.
2. August 28, 2005: def. Mirko Cro Cop. At the time, this was considered the biggest heavyweight match in MMA history, as two foreigners were the legitimate drawing cards in selling out the 35,000-seat Saitama Super Arena. Cro Cop, the challenger, was the star and the crowd favorite, as an emotional music video played as he came to the ring. It left Cro Cop, and much of the crowd in tears, showing Cro Cop’s training rage in coping with the death of his parents. There was a lot of thought that Cro Cop’s takedown defense and superior striking would end the two-year title reign. But then the fight started. Against the man considered the most feared heavyweight striker, Emelianenko stood with him, played his game and outstruck him to win an easy decision.
1. December 31, 2003: def. Yuji Nagata. As a match itself, this was insignificant. Emelianenko was expected to win quick against another well-known pro wrestler, and it only took him 1:02 to do so. It was a high-profile match on what may have been the biggest night in the history of the sport in Japan. Three different networks all put MMA telecasts on New Year’s Eve. Emelianenko, the PRIDE champion, switched sides and fought for a rival group on a rival network. According to a Japanese tabloid magazine, threats were made by the Yakuza representing PRIDE against the promoter of the show. When the threats went public in 2006, the Fuji Network, which aired PRIDE on television, dropped the promotion. With the taint of scandal, no other network in Japan would touch the group. Without the TV exposure, the group was doomed. In 2007, it was sold to the UFC, which, also unable to secure a television deal in Japan, then folded the promotion.
Didn't know Affliction (Fedor's fight) are on the same day as UFC's "free show" event.
Guessing UFC wants to know if their free show event will capture more viewers
Guessing UFC wants to know if their free show event will capture more viewers
Exactly. why let the rival have a time slot un-opposed? put on a "free" event to go head to head!~
Apparently Rampage Jackson thought today was a good day to act like a retard (or live up to his name) got arrested for a hit and run. I don't know much about the laws in CA, but I do know it's legal for celebrities to kill so I doubt he'll end up doing much time if any.
http://www.tmz.com/2008/07/15/cops-say-jackson-went-on-rampage/
http://www.tmz.com/2008/07/15/cops-say-jackson-went-on-rampage/
Heard about it in another forum.....dumb ass.
If you hit someone fess up and face the consequence....
On Topic:
Can't wait to see Fedor/Silva's fight this weekend.
If you hit someone fess up and face the consequence....
On Topic:
Can't wait to see Fedor/Silva's fight this weekend.
Fedor's fight was a whopping 36 sec. :eek:
NOTE: At the end UFC's ref "Big" John McCarthy ask who do you want to fight next: Fedor said: Randy Couture.
Silva's fight was quick too.
Both champs are humble and well respected guys that shouldn't be taken lightly.
I tried to post links to the fight but it says: wtf,wtf,wtf,wtf
NOTE: At the end UFC's ref "Big" John McCarthy ask who do you want to fight next: Fedor said: Randy Couture.
Silva's fight was quick too.
Both champs are humble and well respected guys that shouldn't be taken lightly.
I tried to post links to the fight but it says: wtf,wtf,wtf,wtf
i'm not going to post stupid stuff about fedor cause i don't know much about him as previously said. but i am still standing pat on the guy not fighting anyone worthy in a while before last nights fight.
mmajunkie has this exact quote and it backs me up.
Famed Russian fighter and new WAMMA heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko needed just 36 seconds to quiet the naysayers, solidify his standing as one of the world's top fighters, and score his first victory over a legitimate heavyweight contender in nearly three years.
legitimate contender in 3 years! that's embarassing how can you be a top fighter if you don't fight, nonetheless anyone legitimate? i hope if he does fight Randy....Randy whoops his ass!
mmajunkie has this exact quote and it backs me up.
Famed Russian fighter and new WAMMA heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko needed just 36 seconds to quiet the naysayers, solidify his standing as one of the world's top fighters, and score his first victory over a legitimate heavyweight contender in nearly three years.
legitimate contender in 3 years! that's embarassing how can you be a top fighter if you don't fight, nonetheless anyone legitimate? i hope if he does fight Randy....Randy whoops his ass!
maybe i should finish my thoughts and type them all in BEFORE hitting the submit button!
in the UFC show i am still trying to figure out where james irvin got that HUGE gash on his face from? they showed the replay several times and usually when they show a cut it bleeds almost immediately but after Silva's last punch you really didn't see and blood start? i can't find any pics of it but the cut went from high on his cheek bone closer to his ear underneath the eye and almost to his nose. huge and pretty bad!
in the UFC show i am still trying to figure out where james irvin got that HUGE gash on his face from? they showed the replay several times and usually when they show a cut it bleeds almost immediately but after Silva's last punch you really didn't see and blood start? i can't find any pics of it but the cut went from high on his cheek bone closer to his ear underneath the eye and almost to his nose. huge and pretty bad!
Fedor & Silva are on another level.
Nobody has ever wrecked Tim Sylvia like that. Nobody. Randy Couture must have shit his pants when he saw that...James Irvin had no business anywhere near a ring with Anderson Silva. I was hoping Silva would at least toy with him for a round ala Franklin/Silva II.
And what about Vitor Belfort, Andrei Arlovski & Josh Barnett? Belfort & Barnett's KO's were nothing less than beautiful and you've gotta hand it to Ben Rothwell. Arlovski went schoolyard on him and he took more than most could have. Top to bottom that Affliction show was one of the best I've seen in a long time.
Nobody has ever wrecked Tim Sylvia like that. Nobody. Randy Couture must have shit his pants when he saw that...James Irvin had no business anywhere near a ring with Anderson Silva. I was hoping Silva would at least toy with him for a round ala Franklin/Silva II.
And what about Vitor Belfort, Andrei Arlovski & Josh Barnett? Belfort & Barnett's KO's were nothing less than beautiful and you've gotta hand it to Ben Rothwell. Arlovski went schoolyard on him and he took more than most could have. Top to bottom that Affliction show was one of the best I've seen in a long time.
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