Military Family Group Urges Obama to End Afghan War

It's good to see military families protesting against U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. I hope more intellectually honest, humane and compassionate people also do the same thing.

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Written by Andres Chavez, Sun Staff Reporter
Thursday, 03 December 2009
President Obama's address to the nation Tuesday night calling for an increase in the number of U.S. troops committed to the war in Afghanistan found no sympathy among one group of military families. The 4,000 member organization, Military Families Speak Out (MFSO) is opposed to any expansion of the war and wants the troops brought home now.

Founded in 2002 by Charley Richardson and Nancy Lessin, whose son served with the Marines in Iraq and as a military contractor in Afghanistan, MFSO is composed of families with loved ones who serve or served in the military over the last eight years, and who are speaking out to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is the largest organization of military families speaking out against the wars in U.S. history.

In an open letter sent to President Obama before Tuesday's address, Richardson and Lessin stated, "The more we bring bombs and guns into Afghanistan, the more civilian casualties there are and the more our troops are seen as occupiers rather than liberators. Please do not be the one to dash our hope for an end to these wars; for the swift and safe return of our troops; and for a new foreign policy that truly respects the lives of our service members who volunteer to put themselves in harm's way, as well as the lives of children, women and men of other countries who are caught in the crossfire."

Local MFSO member Pat Alviso said she wasn't surprised by Obama's decision to send more troops because he had made his feelings about Afghanistan clear during the campaign. But she points out that "More than 60% of the American people think this war is lost. He's got a big job ahead of him if he things he's going to convince anybody that this war is justified."

Alviso has always been very peace oriented, so she was "very devastated" when her then 18 year old son passed on going to college and joined the Marine Corpd instead. At first, Alviso hoped that the Marines would be a passing phase for her son, but he made the Corps his career. He's now 32 and has two children.

When the war started, Alviso was torn between her anti-war sentiments and the fact that her son was a marine. "Because he was in the military I bought into the old line of thinking that you can't say anything. But my son knew how I felt at the time. When he left for this first deployment he said, 'Just don't use my picture' so we've come to that agreement still," she said.

In 2005 Alviso saw Cindy Sheehan on TV camped outside then President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas and thought, "I have to help this woman." She flew to Crawford thinking she'd be alone only to discover there were hundreds of like minded people there.

She networked with other military families opposed to the war and so her activism began. She was later arrested and fined for participating in a demonstration in Washington D.C. To date, she's been arrested three times and fully expects to be arrested again in the future.

The arrests didn't bother her but Alviso was worried that her actions might get her son into trouble and how he felt. "After his first deployment, he'd come back saying things I was so happy to be here. 'Mom, I know you love us and I know you support us,'" she said.

Military Families Speak Out, like a lot of other organizations, does send the troops "care packages" and will aid returning veterans and their families in finding counseling and other needed services. But MFSO members feel the best way to support the troops is to end the war.

Alviso says that many soldiers, moms on the street and families who have lost loved ones in the war are grateful and she and the other members of MFSO are taking a stand. "We are in a position that we have to speak out because we never get a moment of peace, we're always knowing that as long as we turn the other way and let this war continue then we are helping cause the problem," she said.

The way to end the war, Alviso feels, is through the ballot box. "(If) people want to keep their jobs in Congress and the Office of the President, then we need to get out of this war now and bring our troops home so we can start taking care of them."

If anyone has someone in the military and wants suport or counseling, contact Military Families Speak out at mfso.org or call (562) 833- 8035.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
If anyone has someone in the military and wants suport or counseling, contact Military Families Speak out at mfso.org or call (562) 833- 8035.

Nah, I'm fine with it. :)
 
^ of course you are, you're not alone when it comes to getting socialized welfare at the expense of others :)
 
Hmmm, what do they presume we do about the criminal syndicate still at large, responsible for murdering thousands of Americans and plotting to kill thousands more?:dunno:
 
Hmmm, what do they presume we do about the criminal syndicate still at large, responsible for murdering thousands of Americans and plotting to kill thousands more?:dunno:

Well obviously we must leave because Hellraiser said so...
 

Mayhem

Banned
As soon as we kill or capture Osama bin Laden, I'm fine with getting out. Until then, :violent:

Of course, it would be nice if we actually did find or kill him.
 
I am convinced we're only there because our economy in the shitter and there aren't any jobs for our servicemen/women to return to.

We will be uselessly warmongering over there until the economy gets going. Of course we all assume that the economy will get back to where it was pre-crash (14,000pt DOW)--what if it never does?
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
It's good to see military families protesting against U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East.

Protesting against US foreign policy in the Middle East? That's not what they're doing at all. I'm willing to bet that (for most people) the only reason they even care about the war is because they have a family member or a loved one who is fighting in it. They don't give a shit about foreign policy and they most certainly don't give a shit about Middle Easterns. Let's not kid ourselves; they just care that they have a loved one overseas who could possibly die.

Take their loved ones out of the war and then let's see how much they reeeeeally care about foreign policy.

:2 cents:
 
Chef Chi has it right.

I like how the family members protest when their child willingly signed up for the military. Now whether they signed up for he military for free college or sign on bonus, who knows. Thing is, once you sign that dotted line you are United States Government Property until your contract is up, and even then, sometimes you have to go through reserves for another two years before you can officially cut ties.

These people willingly signed up for the military and are now serving in a war. It's not like they signed up for the Mickey Mouse Club and the government came in and took over, sending them all to war.

These family members are just wanting to get their member back. They could send one over and they will lose that whole end the war, foreign policy attitude and move on. Unless they might know someone else who is near and dear to them and they will keep it up, just not as strong heart as it was for a family member.

Want to protest something, protest that the politicians stay out of conducting the war and let the military fight it themselves and get the job done. No more worrying about killing unarmed terrorists, no more worrying about a POW Jihadist getting a bloody lip or black eye when caught, and just let our military fight strong and hard and wipe out the Jihadist plague for good. Make them so weak until the remaining Jihadists become current day Nazis or find they are in the midst of a lost cause and move on. One way or the other, just let our military do the procedures, fighting, and war tactics. All politicians have to do is stay back here and shut the hell up and take care of business in whatever state they are located in.
 

jasonk282

Banned
Not like they were pressed into service, they VOLUNTERED for it. What did the parents think their sons and daughters would do in the Military, bake cookies?
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Not like they were pressed into service, they VOLUNTERED for it. What did the parents think their sons and daughters would do in the Military, bake cookies?

Well, you can technically be a chef... flylicker
 

Facetious

Moderated
Re: Military Family Group Urges Obama to End Afghan War


If we're not going to use our very best, most lethal resources available and we continue to think of hearts and minds to a capacity greater that the object of unconditional victory, sure, bring 'em home.
 

maildude

Postal Paranoiac
I'm a liberal as everyone here knows. So I definitely sympathize with these groups. On the other hand, let us not forget that we were violently and mercilessly attacked on September 11, 2001. Sorry, my fellow peaceniks. That requires a response. The Al Queda already admits responsibility with the aid of the Taliban. My biggest beef is with the way we have handled it. Bush misdirection followed by Obama uncertainty isn't helping the cause. Black Ops? Yep. Subterfuge and drone attacks? Yeah. Open up the floodgates now. Because you can be damned sure that given the right opportunities and accessabilities the radical Muslims would not miss a beat on hitting us.
 

Facetious

Moderated
I am convinced we're only there because our economy in the shitter and there aren't any jobs for our servicemen/women to return to.

We will be uselessly warmongering over there until the economy gets going. Of course we all assume that the economy will get back to where it was pre-crash (14,000pt DOW)--what if it never does?

And you pro good economy why ?

Oh... yeah so decent working Americans remain as fully employed as possible in order to be able to pay the maximum amount of taxes in order to sustain the millions upon millions of selectively lazy, anti capitalist, unmotivated, entitlement minded, section eighter, democratik party constituents, is that it ?

lol which reminds me of a program I saw on TV about murderers who have been sentenced to life in imprisonment w/out the possibility of parole:
A dimwit investigative reporter lady inside of the prison (Pelican Bay IIRC) with her cam man at her back asks one of the inmates the notorious query "how do you feel"
and the guy snaps back "it's an existence", ha ha ! exactly the same as those I had described above :1orglaugh
 

jasonk282

Banned
WTF do people think this is 1968 all over again?Maybe they will throw dog feces at our returning vets like my father had to go through when he came back from Vietnam. I understand that families are upset that their son and daughter is in harms way, but folks it is the Military its what we do and your beloved sons and daughters freely VOLUNTERED to serve their country. Instead of protesting, maybe the parents should try SUPPORTING their sons and daughters. Maybe the parents should put their sons and daughter ahead of there needs for a change.
 

JayJohn85

Banned
Re: Military Family Group Urges Obama to End Afghan War


If we're not going to use our very best, most lethal resources available and we continue to think of hearts and minds to a capacity greater that the object of unconditional victory, sure, bring 'em home.

No offense but alot of posts especially this one is kinda stupid. Yea there probably is alot of bleeding heart liberals but the reason why the brits and others want to play this game your talking about "hearts and minds" is because its not some set piece battle where you can just steam roll the enemy. Its guerilla warfare man, History even shows you Americans thats the heavy handed approach wont work. You tried that in Vietnam, Bombed the shit outta it, dropped chemicals and they still made you leave.

Nope you have to play the counter insurgency game and play hearts and minds cause if the general populace wants you gone, It wont matter how many you kill or how much shit you blow up you will eventually pull out due to rising pressure at home same as nam. Yep short of a nuke which wasnt used in vietnam not only due to morality or the international opinion but likely cause there isnt really hard targets for that. Its the same in afghanistan its a fucking mountain on a desert with few cities.

Heavy handed brute force blow the shit outta everything tactic will only leave behind a far far larger recruiting pool than there currently is for global Jihadist bullshit. Yes Iraq was successful because it was a industrialized nation with an army albeit a crap one it still attempted to fight normal warfare mostly.

Also its that reason why they accepted defeat mostly and things seemed to have settled down there, well media reports is quiet on that front. Afghanistan is like vietnam in the respect it isnt, has rampant ideaology and are pretty damn good at waging guerilla warfare as they been doing it since the ruskies last tried to subdue them.
 
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Re: Military Family Group Urges Obama to End Afghan War


If we're not going to use our very best, most lethal resources available and we continue to think of hearts and minds to a capacity greater that the object of unconditional victory, sure, bring 'em home.

Seems you're about an administration too late with this...or at minimum have your wires crossed.

1 fella in the White House...dabbles his military in Afghanistan...takes the effort the brink of failure after nearly 8 years of "muddling our way"....the next boss comes in and redoubles the effort, makes it a primary focus but all of the sudden there is a suggest (now) that we're not using our forces "to a greater capacity"?:spump:
:wave2::wave::dunno:

Surely you're being "Facetious".:clown:
 
I am beginning to wonder if HELLRAISER thinks there are or were any wars worthy of the USA's involvement.
 
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