Microsoft Vista to take over?

[Member2019]

You still bugging me with the gui ???

I'm still trying to figure out what some of his points are.

BTW, I wasn't saying "Linux was better" or that "Mac was better," I was just saying Microsoft is "late to the party," and they didn't even get as far before release.
Linux and Mac both use OpenGL and its full geometry for their frame buffer off-loads.

DirectX 9 -- which WGF 1.1 is based on and what Aero uses -- was not designed for what Microsoft is forcing it into.
Microsoft's original promise of "Avalon" -- what they now post-call WGF 2.0 and which is based on an alleged DirectX 10 -- is no where to be found.

So my (continued and increasing) complaint (for the past 5 years) with NT 6.0 "Longhorn" as (now) realized in Windows Vista is the same as NT 4.0 "Cairo" as realized in Windows NT 4.0 10 years ago.
Vapor, vapor, vapor, half-assed, half-baked and they are not likely to fix it.

Now Bill Gates acting like his in the loonie-bin the past few days has just totally turned even his biggest supporters off.
He's honestly not in touch with reality anymore, and he looks like the technical idiot he is.
That's not bashing Microsoft, that's bashing Gates -- Microsoft itself has some very, very intelligent and capable developers.
Heck, a lot of them are former Linux and Mac developers at the top now.

Most of the former Microsoft architects have left, largely because of Gates, and even more recently due to Ballmer.
Many went to Google, several others are now with other Linux-centric firms.
Jim Alchin might be the next to leave, he's still openly stating he prefers Mac, and is tired of "picking up the non-sense" left by Gates/Ballmer.

first of all i actually i only have seen glints of it on different hardware sites.
I mostly read previews and feature lists and what beta testers experienced.
Some of them was very happy and some of them had problems.
Hence why it was called Beta.

I've been developing .NET-centric (now "WinFX technologies") code since 2002, and had my hands on early previews through the (now) release.
The API of WGF 1.1 is nothing as promised, and virtually no .NET capability at all.
The "WinFX technologies" are fast becoming vapor just like the "Cairo technologies" promised 10 years ago.
Avalon is incomplete, it's bloated and it's useless for anything less than an ATI R400 or nVidia NV40 series GPU.

Recently i have started to read on forums what people think about it now that it is retail.
Same deal i guess but im personally waiting a few months because im asembling a new PC in april/may and i was aiming for Vista to go with it.

I'm not touching it, and the firms I'm consulting at aren't touching it, until the "gray hats" are satisfied.
That could be quite awhile.

 

[fred1]

Interestingly, it's possible to make a clean installation of Vista from an upgrade DVD. The trick is to install Vista without activating and then upgrade this installation and then activate. I did this to install Vista using Vmware

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/12/cheap_vista_for_everyone/
http://www.instantvista.com/windows-vista-upgrade.html

 

[Member2019]

Microsoft always provides this ...

Interestingly, it's possible to make a clean installation of Vista from an upgrade DVD. The trick is to install Vista without activating and then upgrade this installation and then activate. I did this to install Vista using Vmware
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/12/cheap_vista_for_everyone/
http://www.instantvista.com/windows-vista-upgrade.html

Microsoft always provides the ability to install clean with an Upgrade CD/DVD. This is required in case the installed image nukes itself (which commonly happens with Windows for various reasons, most of them not just a corrupted disk driver but false security ones even more so, long story).

Why Microsoft makes people jump through hoops to do so is beyond me, other than their flawed (but very profitable) distribution and vertical models. It's why Microsoft makes a lot of money training professionals and licensing partners to be trained monkeys who know these stupid things, instead of actually providing real solutions (which they only do half of the other time, and typically only to limited capability -- just as Microsoft themselves about their own, internal network).

Virtually every other OS vendor on the planet trusts you not to be stupid. Of course, if you are stupid, and then you call the vendor looking for support, it doesn't fly. But the majority of other OS vendors (sans Apple) build their profit model on services or subscriptions, not per-unit costs for just the software. There is nothing more insulting to a professional's intelligence than when some poor, anti-piracy mechanism prevents him from working.

 

[tunsty]

I'm still running 98Se and will continue to do so as long as it allows me to play games, surf the net, edit audio/video etc etc etc...

I'm not filling Mr Gates pockets with my hard-earned cash.

Actually, I have just upgraded to XP...seems OK at the moment.
I could have carried on with 98se, but I'm encountering an increasing number of compatibility issues with hardware/software.

 

[Member2019]

Actually, I have just upgraded to XP...seems OK at the moment.
I could have carried on with 98se, but I'm encountering an increasing number of compatibility issues with hardware/software.

Windows 95/98/Me should never be plugged into a network. That has been my long-standing, professional attitude since a year before Windows 95 was launched.