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max hardcore gets in trouble w the law...

If he is guilty, then he will be convicted. If he is not, he has at least been inconvenienced. And others might be a little scared off to do what he apparently does.

Or he can be found innocent and be considered a modern hero to freedom of speech sort of like Larry Flynn is, but he will actually be a scumbag. So everybody gets screwed either way where either our liberties are hurt, or they make a slimbag out to be a hero. It doesn't seem like a good situation to me.

And Torre82min made an excellent point (I thought). Even if someone agrees to be abused or raped or whatever, it is still illegal to perpetrate the act on someone.
As long as you’re an adult rape doesn't seem possible with consent. It defeats the whole definition of rape. Abuse would also be pretty hard to imagine with the consent of the other person, otherwise things like boxing and professional wrestling or people that make movies with violence with actors could be charged with "abuse". It's a pretty weak argument.

I understand your objection on the grounds of freedoms and liberties. But you cannot go around abusing weak and/or desperate women just because you got/conned them into signing off on it.

When I was an addict, I saw people do incredible things to get high. And I saw people take advantage of those people. And those people would have signed almost anything to get high. For even an hour.
I learned then to never underestimate what a person will voluntarily do when they are down/weak/desperate enough.
And guys like him obviously know it and know how to exploit it.

I wonder how many people actually got conned into it. It might be some, but I wouldn't doubt gigantic portions of the actresses are in it for the money. Most places of business I have ever worked have exploited people almost as bad; they just didn't involve sex or have it on camera. Maybe you should advocate the creation of fairer and common sense labor laws to protect every worker at every business from that, not eliminate the type of material he creates from being made, even if something like that is practically unachievable. That would make more sense. Maybe he did some unethical things, but there is a difference between ethical and legal. In an ideal world they would be more or less mutually inclusive but the world isn't ideal and were forced to go from there.

I could also point out that barring being physically coerced or restrained even after they signed the contract they probably could have walked out at any time even if they didn't know what was going to happen before hand (which they probably did know anyhow). There isn't a judge in the country that would force them to have sex. With drugs there is a different chemical addiction than just a normal person with a need for money. I don't think there quit the same.


Shutting down Max Hardcore and shutting down Vivid are two entirely different things.
Surely, you can see that.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that basic pornography is legal. They couldn't shut it down if they wanted - and they probably do want to; ignoramuses that they are.

The Supreme Court isn't staffed and has never been staffed by a bunch of wise men and women in black robes that always make the correct decision based on sound legal reasoning. In reality the people on it are individuals that have their own political desires and motivations. There will always be a different time with different judges put there by different people. That goes for all judges for that matter. Surely you can see that incidences like this can and will further allow more and worse things to happen. That's why they call it a slippery slope. No, if they convict Max the day after it they probably can't take down Vivid. However they can go on the next small little step further along and then the next little step and then the next and so on and so on and so on until they get what they ultimately wanted. Some of the worst things in history happened in steps because they couldn't be achieved in whole without the people rebelling. It's already happening in a lot of incidences. Whether it's the continual eroding of free speech, protections against search and seizure, or gun control among many, many, other things.

The view you have seems to me to be of one where you think Max is a bad person and the questionable means they use to go out and get him is all right as long as somebody you don't like gets what they have coming to them in your view. That seems to be an ends justify the means, two wrongs make a right approach.

I don't like anything Max Hardcore puts out. I don't know him personally, but I think he probably really is a scumbag. However that's not my criteria for determining if somebody should be charged with a crime, otherwise it comes down to nothing more than trying to make your opinion on morality the law of nature whether other people like it or not.
 
dammit. why does nobody understand this?

everyone knows who max hardcore is. right?

the girls signed up! they dont have to work with him! you cant get pissed at max for treating the girls like he does.

the girls know what theyre in for.
The thing here is that Neesa said that he forced her to do things she didnt want to do.

Just remember if Max goes down then all the other porn entities will eventually follow. Anabolic, Diabolic, Zero Tolerance, Third Degree, Combat Zone, Red Light District, Platinum X, Wicked, Vivid, etc. The current administration has very strict guidelines as to what is obscene and what isn't and they are not going to listen to you guys when you complain. They plan to take EVERYONE down.
There's a huge difference between these and what Max does... The contain of these sites is nothing obscene at all compared to what this guy do!
 
Its the states, all you have to do to get Max Hardcore in trouble is show the site to some fundamentalist Christians or hard-line Republicans (which are in abundance in the States) and you will have enough moral outcry to have him banned. Don't underestimate the power these groups have in the country.
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
Its the states, all you have to do to get Max Hardcore in trouble is show the site to some fundamentalist Christians or hard-line Republicans (which are in abundance in the States) and you will have enough moral outcry to have him banned. Don't underestimate the power these groups have in the country.

They are taking away our freedoms one by one!
 

member006

Closed Account
The thing here is that Neesa said that he forced her to do things she didnt want to do.

Key word perhaps being "said". I think if something that bad happened to her maybe she could have gotten a lawyer involved, a contract checked into, a law suit, charges if a was law broken would be the right way to handle it. Not join a forum and slander him with hearsay to John and Jane Does who can't help her in anyway. Sorry I just think it a very unprofessional approach to a problem.

I feel the same as squallumz post and I stated it way back in the thread. We are talking Max Hardcore here, come on. Was she expecting special treatment? To work for him should have brought no surprises. His reputation is widespread and well known. Just my :2 cents:

LL
 

McRocket

Banned
Look D-rock, I understand your concerns - I believe. And, in general, I share them.

But, I assume, neither of us knows exactly what the charges are and what the evidence is against him and exactly who pushed the authorities to charge him.

If it turns out that he was wrongfully charged, then I agree it would be wrong.
If, however, it turns out that the charges are justified, then I have no problem with them.

Until such time as the charges and evidence is fully made available to you and I; I suggest we forgo are debate as to their merits.


I will type this; I do not know this individual. Nor am I personally familiar with his work. But from what I understand of the latter, were he to die tomorrow; I suspect the world would be a better place to live.
That alone makes me far less concerned as to the merits of the charges against him then were he a person no noble or neutral disposition.
 
Key word perhaps being "said". I think if something that bad happened to her maybe she could have gotten a lawyer involved, a contract checked into, a law suit, charges if a was law broken would be the right way to handle it. Not join a forum and slander him with hearsay to John and Jane Does who can't help her in anyway. Sorry I just think it a very unprofessional approach to a problem.


LL

AND, we still dont know its really her.
 
I personally don't care for Max Hardcore's stuff,but I care even less for the big nanny state dictating what consenting adults can do to each other to make other consenting adults fap.
 
Just as we can never know for sure whether any of the 'babes' that post on here are really who they claim to be unless they are on a webcam that we can see as they type their posts.

i have faith in the freeones staff. im sure they check them out.
 
I am sure they check them out to.

But they don't check them out every time they make a post.

im sure they dont either. but, with all the shit she is talking, i would think they have already looked into proving its really her. when belladonna first started posting here, there were doubters, me included. she was using an avatar that wasnt her like the other ocsm's do. but, the staff checked her out quickly and proved it really is her. why is it that "neesa" hasnt been proved yet?
 

McRocket

Banned
im sure they dont either. but, with all the shit she is talking, i would think they have already looked into proving its really her. when belladonna first started posting here, there were doubters, me included. she was using an avatar that wasnt her like the other ocsm's do. but, the staff checked her out quickly and proved it really is her. why is it that "neesa" hasnt been proved yet?

I don't know.

Didn't she type in the other thread that she was getting out of the business? Though I could be wrong.

But if she is, why would she bother getting 'checked'?

Besides, this thread is about Max Hardcore and his troubles. Neesa just happened to be the one to start the thread and bring it to our attention - with some elaboration.

Personally, I don't really care whether the 'babes' are checked up on or not. I would never assume I was for sure speaking with the model in question no matter how much Freeones checked up on her. I assume it probably is, but not for sure.
I assume the same with Neesa.

I have no reason to believe it isn't her. And I have no factual proof that it is.

So I will just assume it is until I have evidence to the contrary. Just as I assume what you say about yourself is true until I have evidence to the contrary.

I get the impression that you are hoping that it is not her.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
Max Hardcore is a sicko and abusing beating as well as treating women like he does is revolting. Max Hardcore is the sickest and most insane male pornstar. ********** liked him. I and others don't because we have moral and we respect women as human beings. Perhaps sending him in the worst jail for the rest of his days where he will be beaten up by some brutes and will make him cry like a bitch will change his behavior and make him regret what he did to women.
 
From what I gather, Max is a giant perv and gets off by abusing women. The ladies that sign up for his work are ignorant. With all the stories and such, why would anyone sign up with him? If you aren't into being treated like shit, then don't sign up. Simple.

Fisting in a video is not legal in North America. Only 4 fingers are allowed.

Charging with obscenity... Oh please give me a break. Most of the shit that comes out of porn is obscene to begin with. That's what porn is. If it wasn't obscene, we would see it on tv every day.

Sure the guy sounds like a douchbag that needs a few lashes, but he's essentially capable of getting away with what he is doing. If the girls are agreeing to do it, then they don't have a case.

DUH.
 
Shutting down Max Hardcore and shutting down Vivid are two entirely different things.
Surely, you can see that.

I can see that but the Bush administration will not.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that basic pornography is legal. They couldn't shut it down if they wanted - and they probably do want to; ignoramuses that they are.

If you think that the current administration is going to care about whether what they do is legal then you are either very naive or a zealous Bush supporter. They will stop at nothing if it means eradicating porn. Their fundamentalist christian base demands it. Why do you think they have the FBI visiting the different porn companies, inspecting their 2257 records? I can assure you it's not looking for underage performers, it's just so they can find just one piece of paperwork out of line and then BAM! Shut them down for not being compliant.
 

McRocket

Banned
I can see that but the Bush administration will not.



If you think that the current administration is going to care about whether what they do is legal then you are either very naive or a zealous Bush supporter. They will stop at nothing if it means eradicating porn. Their fundamentalist christian base demands it. Why do you think they have the FBI visiting the different porn companies, inspecting their 2257 records? I can assure you it's not looking for underage performers, it's just so they can find just one piece of paperwork out of line and then BAM! Shut them down for not being compliant.


My point was that the Supreme Court ruled many years ago that pornography is legal because - basically - it is art.

Brutality, beastiality, child pornography, snuff films are not art. As long as the films in question don't fall under those categories, then there will be no problem.
The authorities might try and make waves. But as long as the Supreme Court doesn't overturn that earlier decision, then no big worries.

But if you want to worry, go ahead. I for one have better things to do; well, at least things I would rather do.
 

member006

Closed Account
im sure they dont either. but, with all the shit she is talking, i would think they have already looked into proving its really her. when belladonna first started posting here, there were doubters, me included. she was using an avatar that wasnt her like the other ocsm's do. but, the staff checked her out quickly and proved it really is her. why is it that "neesa" hasnt been proved yet?

She said in a post that she has better things to do than prove to a bunch of men she doesn't know who she is, that's why. She thinks herself to good. She also stated that if FreeOnes wants her they can contact her.

LL
 
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