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I heard the game has a lot of glitches. I dont want to judge a book by its cover, but I just watched a demo video of the game and it looks crappy!

And why the fuck is Favre even on the cover? I thought it goes to the league MVP, or why not Eli Manning?
 
I'm really getting tired of EA's exclusivity with football , It allows them to do whatever they want and not worry about any competition whatsoever . I hope some day 2k games gets the chance to make another NFL game because they where the best .

I couldn't agree more. I really wish that EA and 2K would just give up the damn exclusivity bullshit. I loved 2K football games, and haven't bought a Madden game since it went exclusive. And the real dealbreaker for me personally was these deals lead to the death of the MVP Baseball series, which is still lightyears ahead of 2K Baseball in everything but player models.

I heard the game has a lot of glitches. I dont want to judge a book by its cover, but I just watched a demo video of the game and it looks crappy!

And why the fuck is Favre even on the cover? I thought it goes to the league MVP, or why not Eli Manning?

I've heard the same thing. I've also heard that they've implemented a new "self-adjusting" AI into the game, but I've heard it's so shitty that it isn't worthwhile.

If you ask me, I think the whole Madden design team needs a shakeup, because it seems the team has become complacent. What they really should do is rework the game and once and for all move away from those canned animations in the game that cause more bugs and glitches than should be allowed and just implement something like the Euphoria engine to render real time simulations.

The game Backbreaker took this idea and kind of ran with it, although I believe that no publisher picked up the game, which to me is a shame. The videos from that game are just mindblowing, and to be honest, I'm a little put off by the fact that EA didn't even look into that type of engine design.
 
Being a 2K sports Football fan, I have to gripe about the new Madden every year (until 2011 when the EA/NFL exclusivity end)...

1) Can somebody please explain to the EA team what a block in the back is? 2009 is the third Madden game in a row where an offensive line can block the defensive line in the back and get away with it almost every time...

2) I did the Madden Test to determine my difficulty level and my rushing level is an 18 (all madden being 15) - this doesn't mean that the computer defense tackles better or even commits to a run defense - all it means is that the computer defensive linemen will catch up to Brian Westbrook, Adrian Peterson, Reggie Bush, or whoever else I use because the controlled player is significantly slower than the computer.

3) The deep pass is now impossible - Quarterbacks can't throw half as far down field as in Madden 08 or in real life.

...that being said, online/multiplayer play for Madden 09 (and the rest of the Madden series) is great.
 
Being a 2K sports Football fan, I have to gripe about the new Madden every year (until 2011 when the EA/NFL exclusivity end)...


2) I did the Madden Test to determine my difficulty level and my rushing level is an 18 (all madden being 15) - this doesn't mean that the computer defense tackles better or even commits to a run defense - all it means is that the computer defensive linemen will catch up to Brian Westbrook, Adrian Peterson, Reggie Bush, or whoever else I use because the controlled player is significantly slower than the computer.


Yeah I played the demo just to check it out, and I have to say, EA really did cut corners with the Madden Test. I mean, the concept is certainly appealing, but the execution is just terrible. What the game should do, is adjust how well players do their jobs ie run routs, throw the ball straight, block well etc... but what is actually does is just bullshit.

Twice with Eli Manning standing at the 20 yard line in the demo I've literally had a WIDE OPEN Plaxico Burress, and what happens? The defense doesn't get better, oh no, but Eli throws the ball directly into the ten yard line. The whole Madden Test thing has basically obliterated any game sliders which used to balance the game, and the game suffers tremendously as a result.

And as I've said, the whole canned animation garbage rears its ugly head in this years Madden too. Too many out routes result in a catch and the receiver going straight out of bounds. That has to be fixed, like yesterday.

I will give EA credit on the player models, they're probably the best looking I've seen in a sports game, but the gameplay is just absolutely handicapped by bugs that should have been fixed eons ago.
 
The game Backbreaker took this idea and kind of ran with it, although I believe that no publisher picked up the game, which to me is a shame. The videos from that game are just mindblowing, and to be honest, I'm a little put off by the fact that EA didn't even look into that type of engine design.

i think this game IS coming out.but i am just speaking on what i have read in the game magazines.it sounds like it could be a good alternative to madden.
AND....
i read all these posts about glitches and gameplay and players running out of bounds on out patterns......and i don't even want to put the game into my 360! you guys are scaring me away from playing it. i think today i am going to mess around with it,although i am currently knee deep into NCAA09-campus legend.
EXCLUSE RIGHTS...only hurt the comsumer...US!
i agree with Shayd about MVP05 i still own it!
i also have a fallback if i don't like madden allstar football which was made by the 2K guys i like the oldtimers especially when i get to use Sweetness!
 
i had to post this here as well as the NCAA09 thread.

FUCK FUCK MOTHER FUCK FUCK MOTHER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!
i knew this was going to happen. Campus Legend Mode i noticed my RB would always ....ALWAYS juke right after 90% of the handoffs...and instead of going to a nice huge hole created by the O-line or following his lead blocker or 2 ...he would juke right into the opponents D-linemen.
i knew this was going to cost me a game when i really needed it!
STORY IS: im 8-3 with ND (campus legend-Qb) last game of the year vs #8 ranked and HATED rival USC.
i figure if i can control the ball and keep it away from them then i have a chance..slim..but i have a chance.
FUCK!
2 separate times on critical 3 and short plays that F'n rb jukes instead of hitting the hole created for him. i lose a nice (ESPN instant classic) game to USC 20-16 and thus my chance at upsetting the #8 team,vaulting myself in the top 25 and actually getting an even better Bowl game bid goes down the drain because of a few measley yards in which the EA sports creative team can't get right because they don't have a challenge from other game makers because of EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS !
FUCK....FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!
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sorry for the salty language
 
(sighs)....yep....yep yep yep yep.
leave it up to EA to have it still not be able to figure out that old "glitch" where you either (a) can't score when losing vs the computer or (b) can't stop the computer defensively. i remember my cousin telling me this like 3 times a week when he played madden (from the early 90's to now).
this was one reason why i hated madden and never bought it.i was a joe montana football kid and then a 2k when it was around and making (NFL) games.
i was playing my bowl game tonight vs Virginia tech. and was up 24-7 at one point..then came the OUT OF NOWHERE fumble 24-14...the unstoppable D-line who bust through EVERY block. 24-17...and then the i can't get into the end zone although i have done it very successfully and easily...24-24! :mad:
good thing i got into the end zone 1 more time and pulled out a decent bowl game win.31-24. shoulda been a blowout but i'll take it. i'm mad but i'm glad i won if i lost because of the EA "magical" AI i would probably never play this game again with real true integrity.
 
i had to post this here as well as the NCAA09 thread.

FUCK FUCK MOTHER FUCK FUCK MOTHER FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!
i knew this was going to happen. Campus Legend Mode i noticed my RB would always ....ALWAYS juke right after 90% of the handoffs...and instead of going to a nice huge hole created by the O-line or following his lead blocker or 2 ...he would juke right into the opponents D-linemen.
i knew this was going to cost me a game when i really needed it!
STORY IS: im 8-3 with ND (campus legend-Qb) last game of the year vs #8 ranked and HATED rival USC.
i figure if i can control the ball and keep it away from them then i have a chance..slim..but i have a chance.
FUCK!
2 separate times on critical 3 and short plays that F'n rb jukes instead of hitting the hole created for him. i lose a nice (ESPN instant classic) game to USC 20-16 and thus my chance at upsetting the #8 team,vaulting myself in the top 25 and actually getting an even better Bowl game bid goes down the drain because of a few measley yards in which the EA sports creative team can't get right because they don't have a challenge from other game makers because of EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS !
FUCK....FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!


sorry for the salty language

i forgot to mention..i actually had butterflies in my stomach when this game started! :dunno:
is it my HATRED for SC? or was it that after a mediocre start to my season i was on the verge of something big? :dunno:
i think for like a second or 3 i got neauscious when the 3rd quarter started and i was winning... :rofl:
 
i think this game IS coming out.but i am just speaking on what i have read in the game magazines.it sounds like it could be a good alternative to madden.
AND....
i read all these posts about glitches and gameplay and players running out of bounds on out patterns......and i don't even want to put the game into my 360! you guys are scaring me away from playing it. i think today i am going to mess around with it,although i am currently knee deep into NCAA09-campus legend.
EXCLUSE RIGHTS...only hurt the comsumer...US!
i agree with Shayd about MVP05 i still own it!
i also have a fallback if i don't like madden allstar football which was made by the 2K guys i like the oldtimers especially when i get to use Sweetness!

Madden to me, has fallen victim not only to complacency on the part of the developers, but has lost the most basic programming skills. I finally rented the game yesterday and played some today, and I am just appalled at the amount of bugs in the game, and the discrpancies in the AI vs human ability. I, as Brett Favre couldn't throw the ball 20 yards where the computer with Aaron Rodgers tosses the ball almost 60 yards on the fly. I've worked as a programmer for years, and I can't figure out why the EA programmers have their collective heads so far up their asses in regards to fixing these problems. If they don't think they can fix it, just scrap it and start over. At this point I'd accept a shitty game next year if it meant the next year after that would finally give me smooth gameplay.

Hey ShayD? does BB stand for Briana banks?

If you'd like it to :D
 
This is the [longwinded] complaint I submitted to EA Support. What do you think?

Dear EA Support Tech Guy,

I know that you probably are not in any way affiliated with EA's game development branch. I kindly ask that you pass this question on to somebody who will have a say in the making of Madden 2010 (and please ask them to contact me).

Thank you...

Dear EA Game Developer Guy,

You probably don't know it, but I have serious beef you. I recently purchased Madden 2009 for the Xbox 360 on the release date (just like I was forced to last year). You see, I am an avid football fan. Therefore, I obviously love playing football on my video game console. My friends also love to play football on the Xbox 360 and we get very immersed in the competitive spirit of the game, holding tournaments amongst ourselves and bragging about our online records.
Imagine my dismay a few years back when I found out that my beloved 2K sports NFL game could not produce any more fine NFL games as they had been doing because your capitalist overlords decided that they wanted to make pure profit from the joy of others. I understand that money has become the driving force of every aspect of our lives, but it comes at a terrible cost. The fierce competition between the Madden developers and the 2K Sports developers at least kept both parties on their toes and kept the feature lists churning. In the past few years, your game has really broken my spirit - playing Madden 2009 has resulted in dozens of thrown controllers, swipes at the tv, and loud outbursts of profanity. I ask that you please take the time to sit down and make the following improvements to your game (or allow 2K Sports to continue producing NFL titles):
1)Block in the Back - this is a penalty in the NFL. Please teach this to your referees and to your offensive linemen, who have a penchant for shoving me down from behind after I have beat them around the outside and am just a few yards from sacking the quarterback.
2)Outside slant routes going out of bounds - A receiver or a running back should not head straight out of bounds after catching a slant pattern. This is not what NFL players are paid to do. Even if their momentum is carrying them towards the sideline, they do everything in their power to stay in bounds when the defenders are nowhere to be seen.
3)Increasing/Decreasing difficulty - The player I control should not slow down just because I am on a higher difficulty. Take the time to improve the opponent AI and have the computer players perform their jobs better as the difficulty increases. It is utterly absurd to see a cornerback and safety get burned by a fairly mediocre tight end, and on the flip side, to see a second string Defensive End catch up to Brian Westbrook (who I am controlling).
4)Superstar Mode - a brilliant idea, the execution needs serious work. It has been relatively untouched from 07 to 08 to 09. The repetitive nature of this mode really frustrates players and lacks any enjoyability. Practice mode consists of doing the same play over and over again, games are fairly uneventful if you're a wide receiver or a running back (because you barely touch the ball), and the offseason consists of nothing more than playing the mini games and answering multiple choice questions for your agent or a press conference.
5)Computer AI - players run horrible routes to the ball carrier, often times running directly behind them and then chasing them, rather than cutting them off on their way to the end zone. Offensive linemen should not watch as the blitzing linebacker waltzes past them - too often have I seen two linemen double teaming a defender instead of picking up the obvious blitz.
6)Gang tackling - a great addition to the game, but if I'm tackling a player backwards behind the line of scrimmage, my computer teammate should not come up and tackle us both forward ahead of the line of scrimmage.
7)The Madden Cheat Machine - admit it, the 4th quarter turns on "God Mode" for the computer, right? There is no reason that my players should fumble more often, drop more balls, or become more prone to injuries (leading to time outs) late in the 4th quarter, while the computer team seems to receive a significant boost in performance when I have the lead.
8)Halfback Direct Snap - I called and complained about this broken play earlier to one of your EA Support agents (after a 40 minute wait) and I am sure that nothing will come of it because I doubt that anybody at EA who has any say in the game even speaks to customers. I have lost too many games online to talentless 10 year olds who have discovered that if you change your playbook to the Buccaneers's playbook and choose the halfback direct snap, hold Right Trigger and a receiver button, the ball will teleport into the hands of a receiver who will gain 3-5 yards every time. This play has single-handedly tarnished my online record (3 of my 5 losses are attributed to this phenomenon). Please, give me a single instance of the ball teleporting from the center into the hands of a receiver and I will drop this off my complaints list.
9)Madden Moments - love the idea! Why can't you restart a Madden Moment? Why is it necessary for me to quit to the main menu and sit through loading screen after loading screen when I can restart an actual game without having to do so?

...I will leave it at that for now, though I have a nice long list of other minor changes that are needed to fix the game. Remember, if you don't want to put in the effort to actually improve your game, don't tout a features list full of lies (Recording an instant replay is not a "new" feature - it's something that you pulled from the game a few years back and decided to plug a watered down version into Madden 09 and Sliding offensive linemen was a feature in the PS2 version of Madden a couple years back).

I know that I will not be getting a response to this query any time soon (because you hate to face the truth that you are releasing a sub par product and forcing football lovers to buy it) so I will keep posting it and contacting EA about it until I get a response - I am like a stubborn, petulant child in that way. Email me with any additional information or if you have any questions:

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Regards,

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long winded but the points are good.
they won't return a message.IMO
i want 2K football back!!! :crash: :crash: :crash:

they are going to keep making it because when you have stores opening at midnight the day before the game releases and there are 150-200 ppl waiting they are selling...and selling means you have them.i bought the hype and bought the game which i never buy a madden game i hate it. but i need some kinda updated football game with recent players,but we'll see.
 
I didnt like madden that much.. ncaa 09 was better I thought. What happened to the 2k pro games?
 
2K on the dreamcast...online! i remember playing my first game and losing 21-7 and not being mad just being AMAZED that i played someone else from somewhere else.i loved that game and i'm looking on ebay for a dreamcast and for 2k football. WHY :confused: i dunno it's probably such an outdated looking game.

Jason Z to answer your question. 2k football is dead because EA has the exclusive rights to the NFL and no other game can use NFL players.
the MVP baseball series is dead because the MLB right are exclusive to whoever makes the MLBthe SHOW game. i think it's sony or a division of sony?
 
Thanks for the answer. I appreciate it. One of my favorite games was 2k6 I think it had T.O. on the cover and I thought the graphics were pretty good.. I really liked how you could play against carmen electra. I also like how you could collect points and buy things and you got your own pad. It was pretty cool. Anybody remember that?
 
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