Leaglize the Weed

[Smittmaestro]

If they legalize it will the stoners shut up about it?

I know it's useful for people taking chemotheraphy and other assorted conditions.

I don't need to be told this, just say cuz you wanna **** and bake that's the reason!

Don't use cancer patients alrighty!

-cs™

 

[chronotrigger]

very interesting topic indeed...

if ********* is going to be continued to be ****** simply because it is a ****, then coffee, ******* and cigars should be ****** as well. correct me if im wrong but as far as ive heard, coffee or caffeine is the most ****** **** all over the world. i need not say what kinds of harm it could cause to the body.

although ********* also has some side effects both physically and mentally (which is also true for coffee and *******), maybe legalizing it will lead to more regulation and taxation, which in return will bring profit for the state.

 

[pool709]

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I must say Thesafestplace

I can't comment on the US situation, which was the original question posed, so sorry if this is considered straying, but...

Here in the UK weed is pretty much decriminalised now - you might get it confiscated or even fined if it's a small amount but you won't get a record for it. As the situation stands it's pretty tenable - as far as the law is concerned it's still an offence so it deters people from doing it in public places (keeps the naysayers happy...), and people are more or less free to do as they wish within their own homes. I guess the only people who have it tough are those that deal it, but I'm sure they make enough money out of their hardship

It has been said before, but one of the more compelling arguments for legalisation is that weed smokers as people do not tend to become violent and likely to commit other offences whilst under the influence. And thus the policing of them is somewhat a waste of resources. A far more convincing case could be made against ******* being legal - I seldom walk along the boardwalk, where most of the Nightclubs are in Bristol, on a Friday night without seeing the aftermath of a ******* brawl. Especially in the UK we have a culture of getting near-*********** pissed, it brings about a kind of fearless attitude that in turn seems conducive to committing crimes. As well as that there's countless cases of tortious liability - Nuisance I gather is fairly easy when you're *****...


Legalising one ****, because another that is seemingly worse is already legal is no argument, but declassifying it as a harmful substance (as has been mooted many times over here) seems only a logical step. ********* clearly has a practical medical use, and is less harmful both to the individual and socially than ******* or baccy. The point about weed users driving is a strong one, I know people that do it and say it makes them a better a driver, but given how the **** affects reflexes and general response time that clearly cannot be the case. However I'm sure not being able to drive is a small sacrifice for smokers everywhere to make, if it meant they could have a joint without continually being paranoid about being arrested.

THAT has got to be the best argument I've ever heard for lealizing/decriminalizing pot!:nanner:

 

[ÆGEAN]

i say no. I am a former user and it ruined that section of my life when i took it...

 

[Rattrap]

Many could say that about *******, though. And the unfortunate fact is that one of the reasons it can ruin your life is the legal repercussions.

I'm all for legalization, myself. I'm not a smoker (hell, I don't even ***** caffeine), but there's (if properly instituted) taxes to be made and actual criminals to be jailed. Hell, it probably would be already if it had the same lobbyists pushing for it that tobacco does.

 

[calpoon]

If they legalize it will the stoners shut up about it?-cs™

That's the trade off. Weed legal. High Times Magazine not.:hatsoff:

 

[129218]

i say yes because i get frequent headaches that can go on for 3 days straight and pot is really the only thing that helps me cope with the headaches i dont like taking otc or perscribed medicine and i find pot is a alot more helpful than any other medication i have tried. when i take migrane medication it just slightly numbs the pain it doest help much at all but when i rip my bong a few times i feel great and the headache is completley gone sometimes i dont get them for four days after i smoke a few bowls.

also ********* users are alot of the time non-violent offenders and when somebody gets arrested for possession it costs our tax dollars to put them in jail. if you think about all the poeple getting arrested for possesion of just an ounce which in some states is enough to charge somebody with intent to distribute and therefore means more jail time and more tax dollars to keep them in jail its really a waste of money and can be spent on other things like schools, school books, and building roads etc.

 

[Philbert]

Just to confuse the issue with facts...
How would potency be regulated, if reefer was "legalized", as opposed to decriminalized? This is a personal as well as a societal safety issue.
One gram of regular Mexican reefer would get you nicely high, one gram of Kush or White Widow would knock several people completely unconcious after having had a religious experience for a few hours.
I know how high I will get from one ounce of Tequila...
A few facts can be confusing...this is from a medical ********* site.

For medical or recreational cannabis users, vaporizing is an alternative to smoking. Rather than burning the cannabis, a vaporizer heats it enough (typically around 200 degrees Celsius) so that the volatile psychoactive and medicinal constituents contained in the plant's oily glandular secretions melt and phase into an aromatic vapor that does not contain the particulate matter (tars) found in the smoke.
Smoking cannabis is widely considered to be a health hazard, not so much due to the effects of cannabinoids as of the byproducts formed during combustion. Consequently, the shortcomings of smoked cannabis have been widely viewed as a major obstacle for approval of crude cannabis for medical users even though many studies clearly indicate that the strong expectorant activity of THC probably compensates for much of the ingested tars in a manner not akin to the smoking of tobacco by causing the user to cough up the tars in mucous discharges subsequent to the smoking. Nevertheless, in response to the concerns several scientific studies have tried to establish whether vaporizers could offer a clinically reliable and safe method of cannabis use. Vaporizers... have been found to entirely eliminate inhalation of undesired compounds in a manner consistent enough for clinical trials.

*** technically pot has 4x's the carcinogens of tobacco but then if you think about it, the avj. cig smoker smokes a pack a day (20 cig's) that would mean to equal that you would have to smoke 5 cig sized joints a day, by yourself, to compare .(The tobacco in one "filter 100" weighs .95gm. This is like comparing a liter of Lite **** to a liter of Jack Daniels. )

***If cigrettes are smoked non-filter, they produce more percentage of tar/ash/resin-borne carcinogens and other irritants.
If cannibus is smoked through a filter...either liquid, or say with a cigarette filter, then it has a lot less crap reaching the lungs.
My favorite is simple oil; plant simmered for a while in *******; strained with non-******* reactive material, then simmered until the ******* is evaporated completely.
That simple process produces a much cleaner smoke, one drop under the tounge does it for many non-smokers as well.
Of course, the process can be taken much farther; but just extracting the resin and vaporising it with a little heat or eating a small amount would eliminate a great deal of the harm of smoking.
The only problem I can see is the volume of resin needed for a safe "dose"; concentrating the potency of 16 ounces of bud into a concentrate of resin weighing 30-40 grams could be dangerous for the careless.

There are many issues involved in legalizing; I like how the Nederlands deals with it...here in the USA, it'll take a while.

 

[Legzman]

^^^Nice! :thumbsup:

 

[calpoon]

I want to change my vote. No one that ever says they want to legalize it cares about people that are sick, they just want to get fucked up and watch TV. weed is stupid and people should not be allowed to use it because they are stupid and it makes them stupider. the only problem is getting someone to enforce this based on that idea and not because of all the other BS that currently justifies it.

i'm sick of appealing to the lowest common denominator, people should have some fucking self-respect.

 

[Legzman]

Funny how this board seems to be split right down the middle on this issue!

 

[Iamforever]

Funny how this board seems to be split right down the middle on this issue!

fuck, im split down the middle myself. one i do want it legalized. i used to smoke. on the other hand, i dont smoke anymore so why should i give a fuck?:1orglaugh

 

[Legzman]

fuck, im split down the middle myself. one i do want it legalized. i used to smoke. on the other hand, i dont smoke anymore so why should i give a fuck?:1orglaugh

:dunno: It still matters to some of us! impdaddy

 

[Iamforever]

:dunno: It still matters to some of us! impdaddy

i know. i just find it funny that i cant completely turn my back on mary. i guess a decade oh highness can make that happen.

 

[Philbert]

... weed is stupid and people should not be allowed to use it because they are stupid and it makes them stupider. the only problem is getting someone to enforce this based on that idea and not because of all the other BS that currently justifies it.

Now, that's stupid!
You been smoking some weed, sunshine?:spin: :eyeso:

 

[Torre82]

the bible which was misinterpreted by the hebrews says, "sugarcane was put on the earth for man to use and enjoy", however, sugarcane really meant cannibus, as it was interpreted wrong by the hebrews, so hey its natural, it was put here, we should be free to use it.

... -_- :exasperation:

Perfect reasoning. Let's argue translation and thousands of years-old guidelines for running a village based on weed instead of sugar. I should hope you're being sarcastic on this post for several reasons which I'm hesitant to say, save for the obvious stigma of a stoner-reasoning I smell coming from this topic.

 

[poloprdik]

I tried ********* about 3x and it didn´t make anything. Since that time I have lived without. I think everybody should make his/her own resoltion.IMHO Smoking ********* is similar to smoking cigarettes,so yes for *********.

 

[Legzman]

Well if you wanna go with the argument that says "Hey it's natural, why not let us smoke it?" I completely agree! It's not packed full of all kinds of extra **** like cigarettes.

Oh well I smoke both and I don't give a fuck! I have the Premium Link Upgrade to look forward to! Bring it on bitches! Might as well do what I can to enjoy life!

 

[calpoon]

I believe that same rational can be aplied to enriching uranium. so there you have it folks, if you smoke weed then you are rallying for north korea, and it looks like they are right, doing ***** really does help terrorism.

ok. so i'm kidding in this post, but really, you can say that anything is "natural." ********* people is natural, kiddie porn is natural. it's just absurd twisting of logic.

some may find my posts stupid but I'm just one person. the bottom line for me is what has weed ever done to make society better? seriously? and don't give me that band-aid solution because it's a moot point. once again, if you really cared about the terminally ill you'd be lobbeying for them to shoot dope, because it will surely make them feel a lot better than smoking weed will.

 

[Peter Gazinya]

I believe that same rational can be aplied to enriching uranium. so there you have it folks, if you smoke weed then you are rallying for north korea, and it looks like they are right, doing ***** really does help terrorism.

ok. so i'm kidding in this post, but really, you can say that anything is "natural." ********* people is natural, kiddie porn is natural. it's just absurd twisting of logic.

some may find my posts stupid but I'm just one person. the bottom line for me is what has weed ever done to make society better? seriously? and don't give me that band-aid solution because it's a moot point. once again, if you really cared about the terminally ill you'd be lobbeying for them to shoot dope, because it will surely make them feel a lot better than smoking weed will.

Dude, I don't know if a girl just dumped you or you lost your job but your last few posts reek of unbridled anger. Does something have to "make society better" for it to be legal? If that was the case then cars, cigarettes, *******, American Idol, paper mills, Congress, textile factories, and a million other things would be outlawed immediately because they all cause pollution in one form or another (especially American Idol). Let me ask you this: What has ********* ever done to make society worse?

I don't know where the issue of the terminally ill came up in this discussion but what do you mean by "lobbeying for them to shoot dope"? After reading that, that's where I feel your post really jumped the tracks and you're just venting some sort of displaced anger. But for the sake of argument let's tie the "terminally ill" issue together with "the make society better" issue. The terminally ill, and millions of otherwise healthy Americans, are given "*****" every day whose side affects are worse than both 1) the problem they're "curing" and 2) Any affect ********* could ever have on you. The Vicodin I took this morning because my knee hurts has far worse affects on me than any pot I've ever smoked. The Vike will slowly tear away at my stomach, rob me of energy to the point of exhaustion, and I'll develop an addiction because my body will build up a tolerance to the point that I'll need more and more just to feel normal. The worse side affect pot ever had is it makes you have the munchies (hence the term "pot belly").

The only reason ********* is not legal is because the ********* lobby does not have 3/4 of congress in their back pocket exchanging favors for 7 figure bribes the way the pharmacuetical industry does. And that's the bottom line.