All this didn't prevent James Eagan Holmes from ******* 12 and injuring 58, using an AR-15. The guy was obviously mental but since as he had not been diagnosed as one mentally unstable, he was able to legaly buy the guns and the ammos he used.
*** laws : what would you accept ?
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But that doesn't stop the manufacturers from attempting to make the car safer for drivers, passengers AND other road users.
What you seem to be advocating is NO CHANGE. No attempt to make guns safer for the owners and other people.
I do like the following post. It seems to make sense.
Horror as four dead and three state troopers injured at Pennsylvania church shooting
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* One female victim had been decorating a church hall for a ********'s Christmas party
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No, but we hold people who drive ***** responsible, and if we didn't, there would be more automobile crashes resulting in property damage, injury and death.
We also require people to learn how to drive and pass an exam before issuing them a driver's license, and we take driving privileges away for various reasons.
I must be a little off today. About a minute after I posted a response to this photo I realized what the actual message of it is.
The *** in the photo is a toy. It's a novelty item. The point of putting the message on an old toy is to say "Guns are harmless, they're just like your **** toys! Don't worry bout no innocent little guns, they're harmless."
Besides which, the image of the *** has obviously been Photo Shopped over a different one - you can tell where the *** meets the hand - and the fact that the hands are so disproportionate to the size of the *** gives you the impression that it's a ***** who's holding it.
The *** in the photo is a toy. It's a novelty item. The point of putting the message on an old toy is to say "Guns are harmless, they're just like your **** toys! Don't worry bout no innocent little guns, they're harmless."
Besides which, the image of the *** has obviously been Photo Shopped over a different one - you can tell where the *** meets the hand - and the fact that the hands are so disproportionate to the size of the *** gives you the impression that it's a ***** who's holding it.
And Merah was insane and he ****** not only Jews and also Soldiers or the Foreign Legion, so what is your point? Merah's weapon was a stolen one. Check how many shootings there have been lately in France, I would rather carry a *** and **** off some dirt scum than always being in the position of a defenseless victim.
Yes and? There are no written test when owning a ***. You must know how to clean, assemble and disassemble a *** but also know how to use the safety features on a ***. Also about health, people are unpredictable , if one wants to blow your head clean off, he will do and he won't hesitate to do it. To know if one is insane is to check his blogs or what he posts on facebook, it is generally an indicator of how one can react. It is called criminal and behavioral profiling, the red cells of the FBI are specialized in this kind of tasks. Liability insurance on each ***?Are you taking *** owners for irresponsible idiots???
If the people who do the *** inspections and *** licence renewals are democrats, there is no possibility and absolutely no reason to trust them, they like scum and they **** the second amendment, so screw the Obama administration and his bunch of fucking minions.
In England just two years ago Derrick Bird ****** 12 (exact same amount as Eagan Holmes) in 2010 and their *** "laws" are 100 times stricter than ours in America.
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Right. Round two...
I can find three such incidents of these types occurring in the UK since 1987. I can find, let's say, 58 in the US in that same time period. The US has five times the population of the UK. And over nineteen times the number of public shootings (give or take depending on what metric one uses to classify such a shooting). I'd say the UK's *** laws are not a problem either (they also of course have a working healthcare system which is naturally a very big part of this).
Really, comparing to other industrialized countries like this isn't making your point. If anything, the opposite.
I found this article to be particularly informative. I invite everyone to trace back links and vouch for the numbers, as they are pretty compelling:
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Of 61 mass shooters in the US since 1982, 49 of them obtained their (at least some of) weapons legally
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This is cruel.Right. Round two...
I can find three such incidents of these types occurring in the UK since 1987. I can find, let's say, 58 in the US in that same time period. The US has five times the population of the UK. And over nineteen times the number of public shootings (give or take depending on what metric one uses to classify such a shooting). I'd say the UK's *** laws are not a problem either (they also of course have a working healthcare system which is naturally a very big part of this).
Really, comparing to other industrialized countries like this isn't making your point. If anything, the opposite.
I found this article to be particularly informative. I invite everyone to trace back links and vouch for the numbers, as they are pretty compelling:
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Of 61 mass shooters in the US since 1982, 49 of them obtained their (at least some of) weapons legally
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What it proves is that it is still possible.
I'd be willing to bet there are 1000 times more (legal) firearms in Montana than there are the entire U.K. but there are no homicides in Montana. America is a complex place, not some black and white thing that you Europeans try to make it (I believe you're European, but even if not...).
Once again, I've raised this point 100 times on this forum: Northern Minnesota has a *** in every goddamn household - there is nothing but shooting going on up there, I know as I've been there tons - but there is a non-existent ****** rate there. And YES, there are "assault" weapons there! Until one of you knee-jerk softies can explain to me why that is problematic, any "argument" you throw at me means :baconsalt:
Rattrap
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The logical conclusion to the line you're drawing here is that if it's impossible to stop, we shouldn't try. I'm pretty confident that's not what you mean, but that is where you're going with this. eponymous has already addressed the obvious absurdity of this position.
The sources I found had Minnesota *** ownership at around 41% (of the population), behind over 20 other States. New Hampshire has something like 30% and had a lower homicide rate than Minnesota. For someone conceding that the US is a complex place, you've several times picked simple (and weakly-correlated) examples to push a point.
I'm willing to adjust positions in the presence of compelling evidence. Are you?
As for the irrelevant character shtick: I was born and raised in the US. I still hold the blue passport. I still vote (and not for Obama this time around, I might add).
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Comparing NH to Minnesota? Really? NH is fucking tiny compared to MN, and it surely doesn't have a large metropolis like the TC (Roughly 3M of the entire state pop resides in that metro). If you want to compare the entire NH to Northern Minnesota alone that would make sense.
Apples-to-oranges = straw-man argument. I said Northern Minnesota, not the state entirely. The TC has a whole range of issues that are not even relevant to this discussion, but suffice to say I can get an ******* firearm in about a week right now if I make a phone call, but that's neither here nor there.
And regarding your first "point," there's already a ton of laws on the books and anyone with a smidgen of a record can not legally obtain a firearm - "assault" rifle, shotgun or handgun alike.
Rattrap
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The statistics given are per-capita. New Hampshire has a higher population density than Minnesota. The TC do have, specifically, around twice the population density as Manchester, New Hampshire (but isn't included in your picked geography anyway, so :dunno: ).
I can find a geographic area to support any position. It's called cherry-picking. That's all my point was regarding New Hampshire. Neither are a representation of the bigger picture or trends.
I'll readily admit I don't know much about weapon laws across the US. I do not how they need to change to reduce these sorts of events from happening. Whatever we've got on the books now, however, aren't working - this coupled with a healthcare system that also doesn't work is, well, a recipe for what we have. Things need to change. How we deal with firearms needs to be a part of that change.
How many shootings in 2012 in England ? How many people ****** in shootings ?
In the US with yesterday's shooting, there had been 13 shooting causing 91 ******. More than 1 shooting/month, more than 7 people ******/month
What we've got on the books are working quite fine where a number of my ****** lives.
Health care is a different issue but is a lot like the *** laws - they vary from state to state. My state actually has a serious welfare (MA) system that takes care of just about anyone - nutters included.
Make a proposal on weapons. Don't just say ban all this because of this. I have some thoughts in mind but I will not post them...yet.
Frenchy, we don't want foreigners meddling in our affairs. What about that don't you get? Funny you "care" so much about us when it is so blatantly clear there is so so much you really **** about us. You're probably applauding the deaths of 20 ******** and 6 adults and in your head thinking that's what they deserve for their gung-ho shoot-'em-up capitalistic culture.
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Try this instead. The total area of England including Ireland....which they should get the fuck out of, by the way....is 94,222 sq. mi., their population is56,647,790. We have individual states bigger then that. In fact, one of the strictest set of *** laws, but not the worst, is California....the land of such socialism as Finestien, and Pelosi, has a square mileage of 158,648, and I'm guessing a larger population, no hard numbers though. Riddled with gangs, and **** cartel's and countless semi automatic rifles, no doubt, smuggled to them from Mexico, or through that sovereign land, Clinton gave to China, right up the coast from one of our largest Navel bases. Illinois, with a somewhat stricter set of *** laws, has an area of 56,343. I have no numbers on population there either. I do know though, their *** ******** rate is astronomical, and no castle doctrine....partly because of Obama, and the guy that just got arrested at an airport with a loaded *** in his bag. So compare those numbers, apples to apples, so to speak. You bitch about statistics, and fairness. Play by the rules you want others to.
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