Agreed, not that I'm any sort of Pearl Jam fan
Did he ever get the fury unleashed on him?
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Kurt Cobain
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I hear what you're saying,but the fact remains that talent wise,Curt wasn't anything special.The biggest aspect of commercial success for a musician is being in the right place at the right time.Something that Nirvana benefited from,and the Pixies did not.
Also,you have to take into account of how much input a producer has on an album or not.Butch Vig is responsible for the sound of Nevermind more than Cobain is.Just listen to the difference in sound from Bleach to Nevermind.That should tell you all you need to know.Cobain allegedly fought against the more polished sound of the album,and wanted to keep with that lo-fi sound,but Vig convinced him otherwise,and the rest is history.
Between The Pixies,and more importantly,Sonic Youth,bands like Nirvana,and all those that followed wouldn't even exist.Pioneers almost NEVER gain commercial success that they deserve,but without them,progression would never happen,and music would be stuck in a stagnant place.
Same as all these then? Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, David Ruffin, Whitney Houston, Ron McKernan, Elvis, Michael Jackson, etc.. (short list)
Any of which were just an entertainment muse for a moment of time. Meaningless and irrelevant to most, intriguing and entertaining to some. Thrown away when their time came by most. Truly valued by few and embellished by observers to feel some personal connection of importance for themselves. Trash for the masses, entertainment for the people, relevant only when needed, discarded when convenient.
No, without Hendrix was actually great, without him many of the top guitarists would never have played guitar. Jim Morrison was great because he was an excellent songwriter because of his poetry, and his smooth voice is legendary and calming even though he was bit of a nutter.
Fair question. I think there are true innovators in that list of yours. Hendrix did things with technology that changed virtually all genres of pop music forever, for example. Joplin proved that someone with enough passion and soul could not only be popular regardless of their attractiveness, but she brought issues to light, was socially relevant, and championed several traditional songs.
I do think that several on your list will be forgotten, soon. Whitney Houston? please. Not relevant in the long term.
And to those who take issue with me calling the Beatles mediocre - The Beatles didn't write all of their songs. They followed a popular trend. They were incredibly marketed, and were incredibly good at marketing. Their music was nearly irrelevant, as they were counter cultural icons Their import is far greater in how they impacted culture than how they impacted music. Fine, fine. You love them. Fuck me for suggesting that a band you loved wasn't super duper influential. The truth of the matter is, if you know the history, there were others doing the same music. And there have been many others doing it since. Why have they been doing is since? Not because the Beatles music was so fantastic, but because boy bands are marketable and profitable.
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Awesome.
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For us Generation X/Yers, I'd put him on our Mount Rushmore of musicians for our generation. Mine would look something like this:
Cobain
Thom Yorke
Trent Reznor
Tupac Shakur
Hon Mention:
Eminem
Nas
Billy Joel (although I fucking hate him)
Metallica
Korn
Beck
Billy Corgan
Mind you I don't like some of these artists, but in terms of importance and so forth, my Generation X/Y Mount Rushmore would have to resemble something like that. IMO.
Cobain
Thom Yorke
Trent Reznor
Tupac Shakur
Hon Mention:
Eminem
Nas
Billy Joel (although I fucking hate him)
Metallica
Korn
Beck
Billy Corgan
Mind you I don't like some of these artists, but in terms of importance and so forth, my Generation X/Y Mount Rushmore would have to resemble something like that. IMO.
C.K. Lawrence
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I still worship the grimey bastard it doesn't matter what others thoughts on Nirvana or Cobain may be! :bowdown:
squallumz
knows petras secret: she farted.
i think you gotta keep in mind that most everyones experience with nirvana are the 2 songs they play on the radio.
Negative Creep and Aneurysm? Or were you referring to D7 and Scentless Apprentice?
:dunno:The Notorious B.I.G. as well he was popular during the era same with Limp Bizket but Fred Durst is a fucking cunt.
Nope.
The whole fucking 'Unplugged' album is better than 90% of the shit that comes out today.
I thought about BIG but his career was basically just two albums. I know Nirvana only had several as well but they were profound contributions.
I do. I think I might even still have my 'Nevermind' cassette around somewhere too,
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Good songwriting, historically important but somewhat overrated because he died prematurely. Personally, the entire genre he represented is a bit too nihilistic for me to be a major fan. Life's depressing enough without wallowing in it.
Billy Joel??? GenX?? How could a guy who reached his peak in the late 70s be on your list, Scott? Not criticizing, just curious. Seems a really odd choice to go with the others you mentioned.
Billy Joel??? GenX?? How could a guy who reached his peak in the late 70s be on your list, Scott? Not criticizing, just curious. Seems a really odd choice to go with the others you mentioned.
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