Killed by US gunships

[Supafly]

Guys, what about this YouTube clip is so 'douchebaggie'?

It shows a group of soldiers, obviously more than enthusiastic, shooting away with various weaponry, and, as the video shows, not making any major impact on their operative target.

And the cost of ammunition is very high, as you will not deny.

But the problem with the war is: It's goal is supposed to be nelping the countries they are in and bringing democracy and human rights - with personell that first thing they join the army learn one thing:

Do Not Question Authority.

If Your Superior Says Shoot, Shoot.

If, like in the case in the situation in the video mentioned above, you want to kill a group of enemy combattants, it is okay to attack a quarter where civilists live.

If that is your idea of bringing goodwill to another country, I for one say: You are bringing more harm to those countries.

And the war on drugs, which is crucial to eliminate the Taliban / Al Qaida funding, is a total desaster. In fact, production is going through the roof.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/afghanistan/drugs-market.htm

So what reason are you burning that gigantic mass of money for, and why let so many of your soldiers die für a useless cause?

 

[Mayhem]

Guys, what about this YouTube clip is so 'douchebaggie'?

It shows a group of soldiers, obviously more than enthusiastic, shooting away with various weaponry, and, as the video shows, not making any major impact on their operative target.

And the cost of ammunition is very high, as you will not deny.

But the problem with the war is: It's goal is supposed to be nelping the countries they are in and bringing democracy and human rights - with personell that first thing they join the army learn one thing:

Do Not Question Authority.

If Your Superior Says Shoot, Shoot.

If, like in the case in the situation in the video mentioned above, you want to kill a group of enemy combattants, it is okay to attack a quarter where civilists live.
If that is your idea of bringing goodwill to another country, I for one say: You are bringing more harm to those countries.

And the war on drugs, which is crucial to eliminate the Taliban / Al Qaida funding, is a total desaster. In fact, production is going through the roof.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/afghanistan/drugs-market.htm

So what reason are you burning that gigantic mass of money for, and why let so many of your soldiers die für a useless cause?

I don't like to edit the posts I'm quoting, so I highlighted the part I'm responding too. And my response is: Bullshit. On my first day of Basic (back in 1987) they spent a couple hours talking about what an illegal order is and the various and extreme times when a soldier can tell a superior to go fuck himself (in so many words). I have no problem believing that the same training is happening as much, if not more often these days. This perception that soldiers are mindless automatons is crap and people should really stop spewing it.

 

[Trident1]

Guys, what about this YouTube clip is so 'douchebaggie'?

It shows a group of soldiers, obviously more than enthusiastic, shooting away with various weaponry, and, as the video shows, not making any major impact on their operative target.

Have you ever heard of adrenalin?

 

[Zugzwang]

I don't like to edit the posts I'm quoting, so I highlighted the part I'm responding too. And my response is: Bullshit. On my first day of Basic (back in 1987) they spent a couple hours talking about what an illegal order is and the various and extreme times when a soldier can tell a superior to go fuck himself (in so many words). I have no problem believing that the same training is happening as much, if not more often these days. This perception that soldiers are mindless automatons is crap and people should really stop spewing it.

the fact is not that they're mindless automatons, the matter is that they have no social training, they've been trained to go fight, not to behave with people.
iraq is not congo, it has been quite a civilized place, with universities, tv and drinking water.

they've gone there like it was the most dangerous place in the world, first shoot then ask, if it moves it's an enemy, if it doesn't move it's an enemny trying to ambush you and all that crap.

u.s. failed at this war cause they approached it in the worst way possible.

they shoot, when they'd have to build and save

 

[Ulysses31]

the fact is not that they're mindless automatons, the matter is that they have no social training, they've been trained to go fight, not to behave with people.
iraq is not congo, it has been quite a civilized place, with universities, tv and drinking water.

they've gone there like it was the most dangerous place in the world, first shoot then ask, if it moves it's an enemy, if it doesn't move it's an enemny trying to ambush you and all that crap.

u.s. failed at this war cause they approached it in the worst way possible.

they shoot, when they'd have to build and save

Agreed. If people think foreign soldiers are there just to rule over them they will rebel, the days of empires are long gone. If the Japanese had invaded US soil I'm sure every American would have fought to the death to force them from their land. You will notice that British troops who receive extensive 'social training' as you put it (probably a lot more that 2 hours anyway) are hardly ever involved in these controversial incidents yet are just as much in the thick of fighting as their American counterparts, why don't they mentally crumble as some of the posters here seem to think? The American approach is always shoot first and ask questions later, you might protect your troops better that way but you will have no chance of winning the war, which is the ultimate objective. So many Afghan civilians have been killed by American troops that the people now want the Taliban back, the war is becoming a recuitment tool for them.

 

[Supafly]

Have you ever heard of adrenalin?

So your point is, they are under the influence and thus do not have the possibility to control themselves?

Like... junkies?

Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[Zugzwang]

So your point is, they are under the influence and thus do not have the possibility to control themselves?

Like... junkies?

Yeah, that makes sense.

they're cowboys. cowboys with vulcans, cluster bombs and tanks

 

[vodkazvictim]

Agreed. If people think foreign soldiers are there just to rule over them they will rebel, the days of empires are long gone. If the Japanese had invaded US soil I'm sure every American would have fought to the death to force them from their land. You will notice that British troops who receive extensive 'social training' as you put it (probably a lot more that 2 hours anyway) are hardly ever involved in these controversial incidents yet are just as much in the thick of fighting as their American counterparts, why don't they mentally crumble as some of the posters here seem to think? The American approach is always shoot first and ask questions later, you might protect your troops better that way but you will have no chance of winning the war, which is the ultimate objective. So many Afghan civilians have been killed by American troops that the people now want the Taliban back, the war is becoming a recuitment tool for them.

So your point is, they are under the influence and thus do not have the possibility to control themselves?

Like... junkies?

Yeah, that makes sense.

I can't rep ulysses again, but I'd just like to point out how very much I agree with him and the point supadupafly made and thank them for those observations.

By the way, you realise the u.s. military rapes one in four of it's women soldiers? That's not really a very good start fr liberating oppressed women in the Moslem world is it now, lets be honest...

 

[JayJohn85]

Kinda relieved Will E is still around lulz

 

[Ulysses31]

Kinda relieved Will E is still around lulz

He isn't! This thread is quite old and Will E last posted in April (I wasn't even on Freeones talk then so have never known him)

 

[JayJohn85]

He isn't! This thread is quite old and Will E last posted in April (I wasn't even on Freeones talk then so have never known him)

Shit he must have got raptured.....Bugger he made a promise with me I paid that man good MULLA!

 

[Moonchild22]

If this is the case then maybe the US military needs to overhaul the way they train or select their personnel before they embark on missions on foreign lands, if as you say the troops can't handle the situation then you are hardly going to win the support of the people you are supposedly helping. You also seem to concentrate on the 'poor soldiers' who have ultimately made their own decision to join the army and undertake such missions yet seem to ignore the innocent Iraqi/Aghan civilians who end up being effectively gunned down by foreign troops in their own homeland. If troops are not mentally fit to be professional soldiers then those troops need to be sent home now before more incidents like this happen, how many coalition troops have been killed since this incident in revenge attacks?

YES! That's exactly it! They NEED to completely overhaul the way they do it all. It has nothing to do with "poor" anyone. I have no pity for them because they enlisted on their own. It's just fact. The govt./military's priorities are all over the place. It's fucking embarassing and shameful.

 

[Trident1]

So your point is, they are under the influence and thus do not have the possibility to control themselves?

Like... junkies?

Yeah, that makes sense.

I can tell you've never been in combat. 'Nuff said.

 

[Supafly]

I can tell you've never been in combat. 'Nuff said.

And it's obviously safe to say you are probably into adrenaline more than reason.

 

[Trident1]

And it's obviously safe to say you are probably into adrenaline more than reason.

Your utter lack of empathy is simply stunning.

 

[vodkazvictim]

I can tell you've never been in combat. 'Nuff said.

Weird how soldiers of other countries manage to go into combat and not act in such a stupid manner.
Lets not forget that these guys were sitting in a heavily armoured helicopter gunship unloading ordinance on civilians.
Even if they HAD been unloading ordinance on insurgents, what's the chance the insurgents could actually knock out the helicopter gunship? They'd need to hit the tail rotor with an RPG and that is NOT easy.
In fact it's gotta be almost impossible from the frontal aspect.

 

[iammaic]

Weird how soldiers of other countries manage to go into combat and not act in such a stupid manner.
Lets not forget that these guys were sitting in a heavily armoured helicopter gunship unloading ordinance on civilians.
Even if they HAD been unloading ordinance on insurgents, what's the chance the insurgents could actually knock out the helicopter gunship? They'd need to hit the tail rotor with an RPG and that is NOT easy.
In fact it's gotta be almost impossible from the frontal aspect.

I guess you never read blackhawk down? or those were lucky shots huh? two helicopters were shot down with RPG's OK your absolutely sure these were civilians? how about you walk around in a COMBAT ZONE and not get shot at.

Also one Apache was lost during the war, I guess that was another lucky shot. damn these insurgents can shoot!!!! :eek: oops civilians walking I mean errrr terrorists wait .................. LOL

soldiers of other countries don't act in a stupid manner huh??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLaAUx4r7ow

 

[vodkazvictim]

I guess you never read blackhawk down? or those were lucky shots huh? two helicopters were shot down with RPG's OK your absolutely sure these were civilians? how about you walk around in a COMBAT ZONE and not get shot at.

Also one Apache was lost during the war, I guess that was another lucky shot. damn these insurgents can shoot!!!! :eek: oops civilians walking I mean errrr terrorists wait .................. LOL

soldiers of other countries don't act in a stupid manner huh??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLaAUx4r7ow

So you want to take what is as good as american propoganda as fact?
You didn't do the research to know that shortly before the blackhawk down incident the marines pissed off the entire city by unloading from Cobra gunships on a civilian crowd desperate for food around a warehouse with 20mm cannon?

You're talking about Somali militia from the black hawk down incident as though it were this occasion in Iraq that is the subject of this thread. You should really make sure you're commenting on the right conflict before you even begin to suggest that what I'm saying is less than correct.

Both the Apache in the gulf and the Cobras in Somalia have advanced optics and there was no excuse for either to fire on an unarmed crowd.

Yes, sometimes British troops do things wrong. Sometimes all soldiers of all countries do things wrong.
Lets not forget that american soldiers have been repeatedly found guilty of torturing civilians. And targetting them for unlawful killing.
Your video concerned one incident when civilians were beaten as a lesson for throwing stones. Lets be honest, much worse could've happened to them.
Nobody would be surprised if american soldiers opened fire on the stone throwers and killed them.
There are multiple accounts of american soldiers being less than perfect combatants, but since a picture says a thousand word and a video shows a thousand pictures...

You know, I had the PERFECT video clip for this, but can't find it right now