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(Katrina): U.S. receives aid offers from around the world

What an ignorant statement. The Soviet Union was driven to collapse because of military spending it could not sustain . The costs of the invasion of Afghanistan as well trying to match the US in beefing up it's military coupled with the domestic expenditures brought them down. Had the US not existed the chances of the Soviet Union still existing today are pretty damn good. Or they could have been in a struggle for world domination with China.

Even Gorbachev saw the handwriting on the wall, and it was the main reason he decided to negotiate with Reagan.

Actually, the fact that the USSR spent money on it's military plays only a very smal part in what happened to the USSR.

The major problem was that the USSR was unwilling/unable to give the inndustries the freedom they needed to handle things by themselves...

wikipedia said:
The Soviet planned economy was not tailored at a sufficient pace to the demands of the more complex modern economy it had helped to forge. As the economy grew, the volume of decisions facing planners in Moscow became overwhelming.

The cumbersome procedures for bureaucratic administration did not enable the free communication and flexible response required at the enterprise level for dealing with worker alienation, innovation, customers, and suppliers. During 1975-85, corruption and data fiddling became common practice among bureaucracy to report satisfied targets and quotas thus entrenching the crisis.

This once again proves that the USSR was responsible for it's own downfall...
 
Actually, the fact that the USSR spent money on it's military plays only a very smal part in what happened to the USSR.

The major problem was that the USSR was unwilling/unable to give the inndustries the freedom they needed to handle things by themselves...



This once again proves that the USSR was responsible for it's own downfall...


Please tell me that you didn't quote wiki as your proof. :rofl:

I just had to take over a case in which another attorney in New York had sent numerous copies of Wiki entries as his source to counter ICS claims that my client was in a common law marriage.

Needless to say they rejected them. :1orglaugh
 
The major problem was that the USSR was unwilling/unable to give the inndustries the freedom they needed to handle things by themselves...

You do realize that in a socialist form of government , how utterly absurd and yet hilarious this comment is, don't you?
 

JayJohn85

Banned
Of course we didn't fight both world wars on our own. But in both WWI and WWII we fought in the European theater when we absolutely did not have to.

I am glad we did, but we could have declined. We were compelled to fight in the Pacific theater of course.

Speaking of previous generations, it was those that implemented slavery in this country but there are plenty that don't mind reminding us of that and seem to think that our generation are somehow responsible for footing the bill for reparations.

It's a two way street.

Though I am glad the US did fight in them wars. I will say its easy to come into fight fresh when your opponents are worn down. If you had of stayed isolationist Hitler might have won WW2. Likely a protracted guerilla campaign with Russia, but eventually he would have gotten around to invading America as your own nuclear program and rocket technology was built on the backs of nazi scientists. No nukes no detterent to having a good old fashioned slug fest.
 
Please tell me that you didn't quote wiki as your proof. :rofl:

I just had to take over a case in which another attorney in New York had sent numerous copies of Wiki entries as his source to counter ICS claims that my client was in a common law marriage.

Needless to say they rejected them. :1orglaugh

Well, I can hardly quote dutch books, so it'll have to do. Still, it's better than not giving any source at all, which is exactly what you've been doing.

You do realize that in a socialist form of government , how utterly absurd and yet hilarious this comment is, don't you?

Communistic or better yet, Marxistic. & we're not talking about total freedom, we're talking about the freedom to act when it is needed. Being observed and corrected by (if needed), but not constantly ordered by the central government, which, in a Stalinistic society is not possible.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
& exactly how did you defeat the Soviet Union?

The USSR was beaten by itself, not by the US. If the US had not existed, it would still have fallen apart & probably sooner than later, since it's partially the hatred of the US that kept the USSR alive.

Cold War. Doesn't matter how the USSR was defeated; capitalism (Which is what I refer to as winning because I am not American) won.

So, yeah. We beat them. :nanner:

America played a key role in defeating the axis (especially our role as the arsenal of democracy as we were called).Without us entering the war England and Russia would have surely fallen.

Actually, a lot of historians believe that it was impossible for Germany to defeat the Soviet Union at all. The Soviets had (And Russia still has) huge amounts of resources that Germany simply couldn't match. The only way the Soviets would have fallen is if Japan had finished the war in the Pacific and turned their sights on Siberia.
 
Cold War. Doesn't matter how the USSR was defeated; capitalism (Which is what I refer to as winning because I am not American) won.

So, yeah. We beat them. :nanner:

No doubt the west and materialism won out.Once the russians really found out how much fun it looked having all that stuff was,it was inevitable.
 

Facetious

Moderated
I know that we got a lot of cellulose and sulphur enriched drywall from the chicoms during the Kat. timeline...


...like gramma always said : "Never trust them damned commies !" :nono: :ak47:



:D
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I know that we got a lot of cellulose and sulphur enriched drywall from the chicoms during the Kat. timeline...


...like gramma always said : "Never trust them damned commies !" :nono: :ak47:



:D

Haven't you heard the good word, Brother Facetious? That's free trade. It's the new religion. It's going to save us all. Firing Americans and buying cheap, substandard crap from foreign countries, with loans from China, is good for our economy. Just ask the Club for Growth and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. They'll tell ya! :rolleyes:
 
Cold War. Doesn't matter how the USSR was defeated; capitalism (Which is what I refer to as winning because I am not American) won.

So, yeah. We beat them. :nanner:

I personally prefer to say that capitalism survived the USSR. I believe we essentially mean the same thing, but instead of talking about a victor & a loser, I prefer to put the emphasis on the livability (I hope I used the right word) of each system with & without external influences.
 
Uh...over here <back to the point of the thread>

Bottom line is in the "Rush" to create politics out of disaster by questioning relief, aid, motivation, etc. the fact is even the US as illustrated by the international response to Katrina isn't above asking for, being offered and receiving aid, relief, etc.

In these circumstances it comes from all quarters. From your so called enemies, those who happen to disagree with your leadership and EVEN from those who were themselves the victims of disaster less than a year earlier.

Some have cited the US' role in WWII as an example of our entitlement to such reciprocal acts by asserting we didn't have to help the Europeans. First of all, Europe is not a country it's a continent of countries in which some countries tried to remain neutral, some were our allies and some were our enemies.

Secondly, apparently needing to act in WWII for example is such a semantical distinction in this case to some as to cause them to believe we were merely acting out of good will in fighting with our European allies to defeat the Axis powers. I suppose no one ever has to do anything but experience the consequences of their decisions.

Germany, Japan and Italy joined forces in 1940. The terms of their pact stipulated that anyone at war with either was at war with all. With the European Axis powers in the process of routing our European allies Japan attaked the US, Germany declared war on the US days later.

Now let's stop here. Had the Axis powers routed our European allies, our middle eastern allies and African allies the US would not JUST be facing Germany, Italy and Japan. Some of you with no understanding of warfare don't understand how this works. We would have not just faced those countries with their newly fortified positions in the world but forces of consciption in the countries (and their resources) they occupy and countries who would have been forced to side with them. I mean, that's the whole purpose of conquest in warfare to fortify new fronts from which to attack and propagate the reach of your forces.

In light of that, some of you for semantical purposes are still free to contend there was still some choice in the matter. That's your choice. I for one am glad people like you weren't in charge of the decision making back then. After all, there are people in this world who don't won't hit the brakes until after they crash.

But it is ironic some of these same people had absolutely no problem arguing with a straight face the case for spending nearly a trillion dollars to "free" people they assumed were constrained by the invisible bonds of tyranny. While causing untold destruction, death and suffering in the process.:hatsoff:

For those of you who are now all of a sudden disposed to questioning why we are aiding a country with a sum of money on par with a large lottery prize when we have our own people in need. I would redirect you to the people who are in the process of obstructing and trying to derail those very efforts today.:2 cents:

There are circumstances in which we as people are united under our flag and national pride first. In cases of humanitarianism during disaster, we are all one world. I freely admit for political purposes some will never understand nor accept that concept.
 
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