It's The Wages, Stupid

[Jack Davenport]

Wow! rattrap has become exactly what he aspired to be above.

Politics seems to bring out the worst in us, myself included.

 

[georges]

1. As I've told you before, I didn't vote in this last election, but it's nice to know that you've actually read what I've said. Had I voted, I still would've chosen him, because Mittens (as Rey C. puts it) is not qualified to run a country. If a presidential candidate can't give anything more than generalities by saying "It's all part of my five point plan" but can't expound on what said plan is, that doesn't inspire faith in me for that candidate. If Obama was as deliberately vague as Romney, you'd have had a field day saying "He can't even tell you stupid brainwashed minions what he wants to do", so why do you excuse it for others? Oh right, because Obama's a liberal. Try and remain impartial, why don't you?

2. Really? It's rare for me to encounter many people born before me who have a brain and know how to use it efficiently; most adults I know bemoan the state of both America's and the world's economy, government, and many other things, but somehow can't acknowledge that they had a hand in shaping it, whether it was in voting, not voting, purchasing, saving, etc. Also, many of them seem to look down on people younger than them as foolish, unacknowledged, and uncultured, but get all butthurt when called out on it or when someone younger than them manages to prove their foolishness. You and assari don't paint a good picture with how you're willing to dismiss anyone who happens to be younger than you, but feel free to keep up that image of stubbornness and ageism, it's working wonders for the two of you.

3. Not everyone has aptitude towards those sectors that recruit, and not everyone has the ability to either go to school to learn those skills or train on their own to develop the ability. One person I know has a degree in Political Science and works making sandwiches at a grocery store; another has a Master's in Translations and Languages (and is fluent in 4, semi-fluent in 2 more) and manages the bakery department at the same store. Neither is able to get a job utilizing their respective skills, though I'd be the first one to admit that the Political Science major is superfluous. My friend with the Master's literally can't get anything else, though she's qualified to do a lot of things. I wouldn't claim her predicament's a lack of foresight, rather a result of an inefficient country and government.

1) To remain impartial, are you kidding? Look at the fucked up healthcare reform, the spieing done by the nsa, the criminality and the unemployment are still rising. You know that Obama clearly prefers minorities to the whites, yet you still continue to have that reasoning. Because of that reasoning which means paying for others, it is impossible to remain impartial but only hate the guy. Why was even Obama given a Nobel prize when he never concluded any peace talks. And also why did Obama give a medal of Freedom to the Clinton sob and to Oprah?

2)Besides Assari and me, there are several other people who dislike (even despise) a lot of the post 1986 born generation but they won't tell it to you directly. Of course not all 1986 born people but a big percentage of them are definitely not worthy compared to their elder peers. Just ask a recruiter. Human resources managers look always for proven experience (often 5-10 years if not more), reliability, resistance to stress, straightforwardness, efficiency, overachieving mentality with making a bigger turnover every month or every year and ability to multitask in the harshest and most competitive environments. Like I said, before getting a diploma , look at what are the most active and recruiting sectors. You wonder why a lot young people can't find a well paid job because either they got the wrong degrees or second because they don't have any valid nor significant experience in the main leading/ recruiting activities sector. If you understood a human resources manager way of thinking, you would have guessed that.

3)In any situation, you need to adapt yourself to it. If you can't adapt yourself to it, then don't dream about a good job nor a high salary because in today's context on the job market, it is very tough. You need to be versatile and make a real difference with other applicants, no matter what are your inherent qualities and skills. Think like a recruiter and you will perhaps find a way to get a better job position. Remember always adapt yourself to the situation.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Before I take issue with this, let me just state for the record I don't support Obama nor did I vote for him the last time around. However, the whole schtick about experience for President leads me to this simple question: how often are career politicians good for the country anyway?

There is nothing to take issue with actually. Unless you want to fabricate something. What I said was fact. His plan was on his website and it was very comprehensive and could not be articulated in sound bytes or platitudes.

And career politicians are the problem. The establishment on both sides have created this mess. The days of Mr. Smith Goes To Washington are well in our rear view mirror

 

[xfire]

A lot of hate spewing from georges, as usual. It would be nice if our resident politics/religion mod could restrain himself. The economy has improved since 2008, that's undeniable, whether or not Obama had anything to do with it is questionable. Why did the economy get so bad in the first place is a good question, particularly considering taxes have been at historic lows for the last 30+ years.

 

[Rattrap]

Before calling me a moron, make sure that you are not a blind fucking silly twit doubled with an unability to think by your own clown.

I have made sure. And you're still an epic moron. With many of the traits you've just listed, ironically (well...not ironically to us, really). Or a very good actor and/or forum troll. My only evidence, after all, is what you post here - but there's quite a lot of it and the vast majority of it points to you being an epic moron.

There is nothing to take issue with actually. Unless you want to fabricate something.

I think you misunderstood, as I wasn't addressing...

What I said was fact. His plan was on his website and it was very comprehensive and could not be articulated in sound bytes or platitudes.

...this at all. My issue was with this:

And career politicians are the problem. The establishment on both sides have created this mess. The days of Mr. Smith Goes To Washington are well in our rear view mirror

Which you've said just after saying Obama has nothing on his resume to qualify him for his position. So is political experience good or bad (nevermind Obama, he's not relevant to the point - insert politician/potential politician X instead)?

 

[Jack Davenport]

I never said Obama wasn't qualified. I asked what on his resume' was remarkable compared to Romney who was actually a chief executive in state government, the Olympics and in private business that made him unqualified to run a country. Comparatively in 2008, Romney looked far more qualified to lead a country than a state lawmaker that rose to U.S. Senator and only served a little over 3 years before becoming president. I think it was a fair question and comparison.

 

[Jagger69]

We've already got an oligarchy (or, more precisely, a plutocracy) at work in this country and if you are either a part of it (doubtful) or blind enough to believe otherwise then you just don't want to see the truth for what it is. We are witnessing the evolution of the American military-industrial complex to it's highest level....and it ain't going nowhere, folks....not without violent revolution by the masses and overthrow of the present rotten system, that is. In fact, I seem to remember some document written by Thomas Jefferson in 1776 that espoused this very idea! Man those guys had some serious balls that are sorely lacking in America today, that's for sure!

I was tempted to post a website that shows a bunch of boring graphs and shit but I think this revered gentleman (rest his soul!) puts it into perspective just perfectly:

Choose to believe what you want. As long as the most any of us are willing to do to change things is argue about it with each other on a porn forum, the oligarchy is happy. And if you don't see a problem to begin with, that's even better.

 

[ApolloBalboa]

Can I ask one thing? What about Obama's resume' made him qualified to run a a country in 2008 and Romney was not? As for his 5 point plan, he had it on his website and the plan was not something that you could give a good presentation of in a 1 hour or 90 minute debate when there is a 2 minute time limit to respond.

Right now, Obama can't even run a website. Much less a country.

I never thought Obama was any more capable, but I'm inclined to favor the lesser of two evils (which could be either side depending on the talking head). In 2008 it happened to be Obama because of Palin, and if I had voted in 2012 it still would've been him, though I wasn't an adamant fan of his. Romney came to the field (IMO) still in his businessman persona, which was a turn-off, along with aforementioned vagueness. Nothing I saw on television or read regarding him resembled the man in charge of Massachusetts so much as the man from Bain Capital and unaware of Joe the Plumber and the middle class. He wouldn't acknowledge how the ACA was based on his own healthcare plan and seemed to change face consistently as he moved further right and forgot about trying to appeal to differing viewpoints. If somebody like McCain was to run now, possibly with somebody like Rubio to appeal to those who support immigration reform and other moderate views, I'd be interested in them vs. a third term Obama (if it was possible) or Hilary.

I'm disappointed with Obama for dropping the ball with handling the website and the promises of keeping your insurance, but I won't lie and say that I don't know people who have benefited from it. His promises of transparency in government haven't been kept up either, but he still has a few years left in his final term, so I'm not counting him out as of yet.

 

[Jack Davenport]

I never thought Obama was any more capable, but I'm inclined to favor the lesser of two evils (which could be either side depending on the talking head). In 2008 it happened to be Obama because of Palin, and if I had voted in 2012 it still would've been him, though I wasn't an adamant fan of his. Romney came to the field (IMO) still in his businessman persona, which was a turn-off, along with aforementioned vagueness. Nothing I saw on television or read regarding him resembled the man in charge of Massachusetts so much as the man from Bain Capital and unaware of Joe the Plumber and the middle class. He wouldn't acknowledge how the ACA was based on his own healthcare plan and seemed to change face consistently as he moved further right and forgot about trying to appeal to differing viewpoints. If somebody like McCain was to run now, possibly with somebody like Rubio to appeal to those who support immigration reform and other moderate views, I'd be interested in them vs. a third term Obama (if it was possible) or Hilary.

I'm disappointed with Obama for dropping the ball with handling the website and the promises of keeping your insurance, but I won't lie and say that I don't know people who have benefited from it. His promises of transparency in government haven't been kept up either, but he still has a few years left in his final term, so I'm not counting him out as of yet.

Fair enough. I would be happy to just throw them all out. Dem and Repub and start over with a clean slate.

 

[Lacey Black]

The owners of walmart are worth almost 100 billion dollars, owner of best buy 3 billion, mcdonalds made a profit of 27 billion dollars last year, starbucks 8 billion in profits, and the list of staggering profits from major companies can go on and on. The only thing stopping these companies from paying their employees a more livable wage is greed and that's why the minimum wage needs to be raised.

If you think lazy, dumb, or young kids are the only ones working these jobs go to any major retail store on any day and look around. Not all, but a lot of these people are over 30, parents, college graduates, or people working multiple jobs. They aren't working those jobs because they want to or because they enjoy them, for a lot of people working retail is all there is. So many jobs in america have been replaced by automated systems or sent overseas, that sadly selling shit to people is one of the few jobs left. The bottom line is if any person is dedicating a huge portion of their life to any job they should be able to live off of the money they are making, and $7.25 is not even close enough to live off of. What minimum wage bought, then and now.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Fair enough. I would be happy to just throw them all out. Dem and Repub and start over with a clean slate.

I dream of this.

 

[ApolloBalboa]

1) To remain impartial, are you kidding? Look at the fucked up healthcare reform, the spieing done by the nsa, the criminality and the unemployment are still rising. You know that Obama clearly prefers minorities to the whites, yet you still continue to have that reasoning. Because of that reasoning which means paying for others, it is impossible to remain impartial but only hate the guy. Why was even Obama given a Nobel prize when he never concluded any peace talks. And also why did Obama give a medal of Freedom to the Clinton sob and to Oprah?

2)Besides Assari and me, there are several other people who dislike (even despise) a lot of the post 1986 born generation but they won't tell it to you directly. Of course not all 1986 born people but a big percentage of them are definitely not worthy compared to their elder peers. Just ask a recruiter. Human resources managers look always for proven experience (often 5-10 years if not more), reliability, resistance to stress, straightforwardness, efficiency, overachieving mentality with making a bigger turnover every month or every year and ability to multitask in the harshest and most competitive environments. Like I said, before getting a diploma , look at what are the most active and recruiting sectors. You wonder why a lot young people can't find a well paid job because either they got the wrong degrees or second because they don't have any valid nor significant experience in the main leading/ recruiting activities sector. If you understood a human resources manager way of thinking, you would have guessed that.

3)In any situation, you need to adapt yourself to it. If you can't adapt yourself to it, then don't dream about a good job nor a high salary because in today's context on the job market, it is very tough. You need to be versatile and make a real difference with other applicants, no matter what are your inherent qualities and skills. Think like a recruiter and you will perhaps find a way to get a better job position. Remember always adapt yourself to the situation.

1. I don't know that Obama clearly prefers minorities to the whites, but since you're so in tune with the POTUS perhaps you can find me exactly where he says that. Not an article or video from FOX, not a quote from the GOP, an actual statement from Obama himself. If you're so sure that's how he plays things, you shouldn't have any trouble finding something to corroborate your statement.

When I say "remain impartial", I mean that every word about Obama that comes out of your mouth is fueled with vitriol and hate, as with just about every other liberal. Some other conservative members here can hold a conversation regarding the opposite side and be polite or at least civil, you can't even manage that unless the conversation is about Reagan. If others who share your view can not be dismissive and condescending, why can't you?

And for every crime you say Obama committed, any liberal can name an identical number that Bush committed, and any conservative can name an identical number that Clinton committed, and so on. Politicians mess up and lie, it's nothing new. Acting outraged over Obama's actions but no one else's is extremely hypocritical, but I've come to expect nothing less from you.

2. "A big percentage not worthy?" Again, where are you getting your facts? I see just as many people twice my age who are degenerate fuck-ups, and just as many who've gotten to where they are in life by doing things that are either illegal or frowned upon. The problem with human resource managers looking for proven experience these days is that many people my age don't have the experience needed, and why is that? Because no one is hiring, and that's not necessarily because you may not have the diploma they're looking for. Many employers these days aren't willing to gamble on inexperience but a willingness to learn or the knowledge but lack of a proper resume. You have yourself a Catch-22 there: you can't get hired unless you have experience, and you can't get experience unless you're hired. What would you do if you were in that situation, pray tell?

3. See above answer.

 

[Jagger69]

Fair enough. I would be happy to just throw them all out. Dem and Repub and start over with a clean slate.

I dream of this.

Meet the new boss....same as the old boss. New congressmen and senators (the senate should not even exist in my book but that's another argument) would serve the same masters and would be no better than what we have now in the long run. Maybe worse....if that's even possible.

 

[lurkingdirk]

Meet the new boss....same as the old boss. New congressmen and senators (the senate should not even exist in my book but that's another argument) would serve the same masters and would be no better than what we have now in the long run. Maybe worse....if that's even possible.

Check out Canada's Parliament. While not perfect, it is definitely the 2 party system. How I hate the 2 party system.

 

[BCT]

I'd rather kill myself than work for minimum wage.

 

[georges]

I have made sure. And you're still an epic moron. With many of the traits you've just listed, ironically (well...not ironically to us, really). Or a very good actor and/or forum troll. My only evidence, after all, is what you post here - but there's quite a lot of it and the vast majority of it points to you being an epic moron.

Perhaps we should look at your post history to see the socialist garbage you have posted to see who is the troll between us. You have shown me who you were in the past and now as well, you are a fucking silly dingbat. Go join the low educated crowd whom you belong to, they fit perfectly to your traits of characters and blind stupidity.

 

[JesusWasGay]

He wants to start over with a "clean slate" a clean slate of what exactly? Puritanical white power rich folks who run the US like an African nation perhaps? "We fortunate ones at the top watch down upon you little people with speculation and judgment and squash you when you forget your place"

 

[Jack Davenport]

He wants to start over with a "clean slate" a clean slate of what exactly? Puritanical white power rich folks who run the US like an African nation perhaps? "We fortunate ones at the top watch down upon you little people with speculation and judgment and squash you when you forget your place"

Hey Mariah! You act like a woman scorned or something. Give up the pathetic alias and I will call off our little wager. In essence, since I was going to win it, I am giving you 1000 dollars to stop being a doodyhead.

 

[Jagger69]

He wants to start over with a "clean slate" a clean slate of what exactly? Puritanical white power rich folks who run the US like an African nation perhaps? "We fortunate ones at the top watch down upon you little people with speculation and judgment and squash you when you forget your place"

Hey Mariah! You act like a woman scorned or something. Give up the pathetic alias and I will call off our little wager. In essence, since I was going to win it, I am giving you 1000 dollars to stop being a doodyhead.

I don't know if the poster is Mariah or not but the comment he/she/it made is 100% correct. :thumbsup:

 

[Jack Davenport]

I don't know if the poster is Mariah or not but the comment he/she/it made is 100% correct. :thumbsup:

Well then with all due respect jagger, fuck you, Because that is addressed to me and it IS Mariah and I wish for no such thing.

A poster with only 33 posts and joined the board only last month wouldn't have enough knowledge of my posting history and my views even if they had been a longtime lurker to single me out in just about every post they make.

And not to mention that a moderator got banned at Mariah's behest for verifying that JWG and Mariah were the same poster.