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Is Science Fiction Dead?

Nero's ship was explained in the countdown comics. Can't remember all the details in regards to his stretch in Rura penthe where he got his tattoo's as in the chronology. What I do remember which explains the wtf omgness of his ship is that him and the other survivors get to a romulan outpost that had been experimenting with borg technology. He hybrids his ship with it, it's all borg tech.

Yea the lack of orbital building I can't explain nor the other parts which were included for dramatic effect I guess. As to why the ship as in the enterprise has some nice on board tech it has been reversed engineered from scans during the original USS Kelvin incident.

that's the established fluff and as a trekker who has liked every incarnation, Some more so than others I was quite happy with the movie. the on site building on earth was likely to demonstrate that power requirements and propulsion are no longer an issue when gaining orbit.
 

Mayhem

Banned
The Borg weren't discovered until Q launched the Enterprise-D into Borg space (which, it turns out, was in the Delta Quadrant). How ever the comic explained this, this happened before Nero upgefucht the timeline. Again, plausibility. There is no way that any Romulan would have met the Borg during this time period, let alone survived the encounter.

I'm also remembering the part where Uhura monitored an attack on the Klingons (the scene where Kirk is schtupping the Orion girl). So she monitors this and decides to head home early and get undressed? And later, the same attack is news to Capt. Pike? Makes no sense.

Sorry, as a life long trekkie, this script was hurried, convenient and a slap in the face of people who are dying to keep something that they care deeply about.
 
Dude read the comics. Good catch on the Uhura thing. But can't agree with you on the timeline shit. Kurtzman and Orci did their homework. Romulus got destroyed by a supernova 24th century as in post nemesis. the borg the big boogie man has invaded federation space a couple of times before that. two proper incursions and then the vogayer shit.

Q and all that jazz has already occurred. We can argue about time which would be pointless as I don't really understand temporal mechanics but Q is nigh omnipotent and they where propelled forward in time not backwards and only briefly at that. the borg related shit is to do with the fact they are sufficiently advanced to shield themselves from time alterations and adept at manipulating it existing in many time periods at the same comparable level of technology.

Now we can argue until blue in the face whether or not the empire had contact or not. What we should agree on is the resourcefulness of the tal'shiar. Naw man. Fook that, if a fleet of fed ships can dust a cube so could a fleet of warbirds.

Nero pissed off heads for a outpost, one of the last viable military installations outside of romulus. It is here that he acquires borg experimental tech, see above for reasons. the commander gives him the tech seeing how he is hell bent on revenge and she wants the feds to pay too. General grief driven madness as they blame the feds for it.

He goes back in time, creating a entirely new timeline. It diverges from the original at that point of time when he attacks the USS Kelvin initiating an entirely new set of casuality. the 24th century one is still in play minus romulus. Spock turns up late and this is when the movie picks up. It is an alternative timeline, a move made so they could reboot and have creative freedom and not entirely disproven in the realm of theoretical physics.
 

Mayhem

Banned
Yeah, yeah, yeah....i got confused here. I'm having fatigue issues today. Disregard the above parts where I got it completely reversed. Sorry 'bout that.
 
No problem man. timeline stuff is head melting especially since they have dabbled with it a bit. But hey rumour has it Khan will appear in the next one. Maybe some KHAN!!!!!!!! Will win you over:p
 
What needs to be kept in mind with Sci-Fi shows is that they cost a lot more when compared to most television shows and that makes the networks hesitant to make them anymore. It's very unfortunate but they can throw up another sitcom, reality television show, cartoon, or yet another drama that has virtually been done a thousand times before and we are sick of, and they can save a ton of cash even if the shows they put on aren't as successful or even well done for that matter.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
No problem man. timeline stuff is head melting especially since they have dabbled with it a bit. But hey rumour has it Khan will appear in the next one. Maybe some KHAN!!!!!!!! Will win you over:p

God I hope those rumours are not true. There is absolutely no reason to have Khan as a villain again because there is zero chance it will live up to the second movie.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
What needs to be kept in mind with Sci-Fi shows is that they cost a lot more when compared to most television shows and that makes the networks hesitant to make them anymore. It's very unfortunate but they can throw up another sitcom, reality television show, cartoon, or yet another drama that has virtually been done a thousand times before and we are sick of, and they can save a ton of cash even if the shows they put on aren't as successful or even well done for that matter.

Yeah, and that's the depressing part. You can pay a bunch of otherwise unemployable retards (Jersey Shore, any Real Housewives show) a few peanuts to act like fools for the camera and people will still watch. And as long as people watch, advertisers will still pay. So why invest millions per episode for a TV series that doesn't provide an investment return as high as Snooki and the Jersey Goofs or the House Whores of X?

Since the networks and studios are playing hardball with Apple and Google on their proposed TV deals, it would be a nice dream to see them pool their billions (for once) and develop their own damn content. Two companies that employ some of the smartest people in the world. You'd think that if anyone could come up with some semi-intelligent programming, it would be the geeks and nerds at Google and Apple. And heck, they could do a reality TV show too. Make it about Steve Ballmer. Every week, he'd go on a mission to find a clue. But it would always end the same way: Steve couldn't find a clue if his life depended on it. :D

HBO and AMC still do some decent original programming... though not usually sci-fi related. Maybe at some point one of those outlets will do a good, intelligent sci-fi program. In fact, I just read that AMC has bought a new sci-fi drama called Thunderstruck. They did a good job with the mini series, The Prisoner. Maybe this will be good too.

After hitting gold with horror series The Walking Dead, AMC is looking to expand its genre portfolio with a sci-fi drama. The cable network has bought Thunderstruck, an hourlong UFO project from feature writing/directing duo Paul Boardman and Scott Derrickson and former Battlestar Galactica executive producer David Eick. Boardman and Derrickson will write the drama, about powerful and enigmatic entities that begin appearing all over the world. After one shows up in the town of Great Falls, Montana, the local citizens must grapple with the dramatic effects and growing mystery of repeated visitations. Boardman and Derrickson will executive produce Thunderstruck with Eick. Derrickson is set to direct. This marks the first major foray into television for Boardman & Derrickson, who wrote The Exorcism Of Emily Rose, with Derrickson directing. The duo are writing Zwart Water for Derrickson to direct, with Charlize Theron attached to star and produce. Eick is co-writing two high-profile series projects with Guillermo Del Toro – Hulk at ABC, based on the Marvel character, and Inhuman at HBO. Boardman, Derrickson and Eick are with WME.
 

larss

I'm watching some specialist videos
Sy Fy is alive!

Who the fuck came up with Sy Fy. What a bunch of shite. SciFi at least makes sense as Science Fiction. More properly SF these days (Speculative Fiction), but Sy Fy - Please :facepalm:

What's worse is that the channel shows very little Science Fiction anyway.
 
What needs to be kept in mind with Sci-Fi shows is that they cost a lot more when compared to most television shows and that makes the networks hesitant to make them anymore. It's very unfortunate but they can throw up another sitcom, reality television show, cartoon, or yet another drama that has virtually been done a thousand times before and we are sick of, and they can save a ton of cash even if the shows they put on aren't as successful or even well done for that matter.

That's the real problem with Sci-Fi. Cost. Whenever a show is billed as Sci-Fi, everyone starts thinking about special effects and that's what can doom a new show.

Oddly enough, the "solution" to bring back Sci-Fi would be the Star Wars TV show. The problem with Sci-Fi (on television, at least; Sci-Fi films need no help) is that it is hard to get people to watch a new show. Just look at Firefly. If you want to bring back Sci-Fi, you need a show that will make tons of money. Pretty much no matter what, a live action Star Wars would be a huge hit and it would definitely bring back an urge amongst networks to develop their own Sci-Fi shows. CBS could even possibly bring Star Trek back to TV, which would only make the urge bigger. If we had these two TV shows back we'd start to see new series, just like how the 90s saw shows like Babylon 5 and StarGate.

I think a Star Wars show may face problems. There would be tremendous hype, but the question is, where/when would the story take place? I can't see a Star Wars show doing well unless if takes place some time after Palpatine is killed by Vader. If it's done as a prequel to either movie series, in a sense you'd know the ending and that wouldn't bode well for the show.

As for a new Star Trek show, I think a good premise would be to try and get back to what the original show was about, exploration. And, a good way to do this would be a new class of ship, Quadrant Class, where they wouldn't be confined to just the Alpha Quadrant.

As for a new Star Trek movie, I would like to see one last movie with Picard and company, and even mix in characters from the other series. A great premise for the movie could be a full-scale invasion of the Alpha Quadrant by the entire borg collective and the Federation forms an alliance with all the fan favorites, Klingons, Romulans, Cardasians, Tholians, Breen, etc.

Babylon 5 - I truly hated that show.

StarGate was awesome, but it kind'a went off the rails with the Ori storyline.

I swear, I have no idea what everyone's problem with Enterprise was. I didn't have the chance to watch it when it was a show, but I went beginning to end on Netflix. I really liked it. Obviously, the Star Trek franchise is always going to water down what they do, but I enjoyed the show. I especially liked the juxtaposition between the very beginning, with everyone being eager and optimistic; and when they finally got back to Earth, burned out and pissed. The part where Archer is out with the hot Captain of the "Columbia", "Forget diplomacy, don't worry about first contact, screw giving aid. Pack as many weapons as you can carry, then pack a few more." (ad libbing, of course) Anyway, I enjoyed it and I'm sorry they cancelled it. One more good Sci-Fi show, gone. And all we're left with is this new movie crap, which isn't going to work out anyway, and if it does we still have to wait for years for the next one. Bullshit, with a side of bullshit, heavy on the bullshit.

Enterprise suffered from being an expensive show on a start-up network. The first season sucked. The second was better, but not that special. The third season was better than the second, and the fourth season was truly awesome, except for the series finale which was a piece of shit. Based of the great storylines of the fourth season, the show ended too early.
 
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Mayhem

Banned
As for a new Star Trek show, I think a good premise would be to try and get back to what the original show was about, exploration. And, a good way to do this would be a new class of ship, Quadrant Class, where they wouldn't be confined to just the Alpha Quadrant.

That's something I wanted to talk about, but I keep forgetting when I start typing. Star Trek, as created by Gene Rodenberry, was supposed to highlight progressive social values, in a galactic setting. Now that he's gone, this is just going to fritter away and die. The latest installment shows this. It's all about the special effects and how cool they can make the weapons look. No message, no allegory, no substance. This is a shame.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
I have a lot of classic SciFi books, like Stanislav Lem, and a very nice book with collected best-of stories from 1942.

That is some great reading, and some material I would love to see done.

I think a lot of you guys are right:

In times of recession, and financial risks, doing a huge SciFi movie is a risk I for one probably wouldn't take, too.

So better look for indie movies and so on. There's a lot of great stuff around, just don't rely on Hollywood.
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
No, it just sucks now.

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I feel in essence it is dead. Everyone looking to doom and gloom we won't make it past this century bull. No more the triumph of humanity at it's finest. It's all dark fantasy with no interest in how technology and the(only time I will use this term positively) manifest destiny of humanity to go out into the stars.

[/url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/]Prometheus[/url] should be right up your ally. It's hollywood, so it won't be great, but still might be worth checking out. Shame it's gonna end the same way all other fuckin movies end. Humans will prevail. Go figure. One and only exception to this is Skyline, which was a shitty movie, but at least it didn't have a fairytale ending!
 

Petra

Cult Mother and Simpering Cunt

I've nothing else to contribute.

Though, I'm sure I'll play a game of Traveller next week. ;-)
 
What kind of Science Fiction do people on here enjoy? Space battles, explosions... maybe its time to put aside the space battle type of sci fi for different ones, earth based or other kinds.
 
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[/url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/]Prometheus[/url] should be right up your ally. It's hollywood, so it won't be great, but still might be worth checking out. Shame it's gonna end the same way all other fuckin movies end. Humans will prevail. Go figure. One and only exception to this is Skyline, which was a shitty movie, but at least it didn't have a fairytale ending!

Dunno about that the lead manage to retain his humanity so the rebellion had begun lol.
 
When humankind stop using imagination SF will die until then "Live long and prosper".

District 9 was good.
 
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