*Is Free Speech Dead ?*

[Dinalt]

Re: Biting the Hand That Feeds You

Speculatively speaking, I'd not be surprised to see a number of bans based on the **** I have seen posted on The Haven board, Winter/001/Raven. Well-regarded, established members of FOs here are over there (on your Haven board) ****-TALKING about FreeOnes and trash-talking the mods etc. It's shameful. I fully supported 001 and the reinstatement of 001. I still do, but, at this point I am EMBARASSED of the crap I see posted on your board.

No one is going to give FOs or Marie or any other mod a good "warm fuzzy" feeling by insulting them. People on The Haven are running rough-shod posting derogatory things about FreeOnes. What the HELL were they thinking? Being frustrated and dissatisfied is one thing, but to post so hostilly towards FreeOnes whilst asking for 001's return/reinstatement -- that's beyond my comprehension!!!

:wave2: But doesn't that show there is some kind of problem at the moment, as there are well regarded, established members of Freeones posting like this.

I think passions are running high among some people, and they're releasing their frustrations in the only way they can. I don't agree with every comment made in The Haven, just as I don't agree with everything said in Freeones, but I'll stand up for anyones right to free speech.

If comments made on another board are to be taken into account, then the whole situation gets ridiculous.

But I wouldn't worry Nightfly, most of the comments are just pipe talk, getting their frustrations aired and getting stuff off their chest.

So is it true Marie that you and/or other mods have read through Haven and are going to ban people based on opinions on a DIFFERENT board?

Fuck me, congratulations! Now THAT'S what I call censorship!

:crash: :rofl: Well that would be blatantly ridiculous, as there would have to be some other bans issued as well.

For instance, if bans are issued for Haven posts, presumably for flaming FO members, then bans should also be issued for what goes on within Freeones.

When it comes to 'content sharing', there seems to be a high degree of double standards at times.
This isn't a criticism aimed at any one person, just a generalisation:

a) When it comes to P2P applications for downloading FULL porn movies, I've seen some Mod's telling people where to download the software, and also what to search for.
Given that this kind of thing wasn't tolerated in the Members area before with Yousendit etc., it seems astounding that it's still going on in the main board area.

b) Full set sharing, or linking to other boards that have full sets. I believe the stance on this is being toughened up, which is fair enough, but I've also seen Mod's posting in these threads with comments like 'can't see the pictures, as I'm not a member', only for someone else to say 'well, download the zip file then Mod (x).'

Additionally, if bans were to be issued for posting in The Haven, i.e. for posts that broke Freeones rules, then many members would probably be ****** for their activities outside of Freeones.

I've already briefly mentioned the P2P issue on Freeones, but I'll go a step further and mention boards that do allow content sharing.

I'm sure we're all aware of other members that post on these boards, and occasionally content share with other members.

As this is against Freeones rules, are these members also going to get ****** ?

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At the end of the day, chat boards are a place to let off steam and relax. There may well be instances of flaming or bad *****, but this is natural in an environment where anonymity is key.

Very few (if any) of us know each other in real life, and I'd doubt if many people are posting using their real names either.

The whole point of internet chat is to discuss things that you maybe wouldn't discuss in real life. Yes, this can get out of hand at times, but it's a healthy release for frustrations you may have built up during the week.

Some chat boards are designed for serious debate, others for games, some for porn and some for anything you want to say.

So remember, most people probably behave differently on Freeones (or any other board), than they would in real life. We're hiding behind both an alias, and maybe several thousand miles of internet & phone cabling.

So being ****** for flaming a members alias on another board seems ridiculous at best, and only serves to highlight how petty this situation has become.

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End of reply, sorry for the length, but I think the whole situation's getting crazy now.

This problem could have been solved with a simple yes or no to 001's reinstatement. Instead of that, it's been allowed to fester.
The longer it's left, the more frustrated some people will get - that's human nature if you know there's a quick fix, but no one's willing to do anything about it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think 001 should be reinstated (look at my other posts for reasons).

But if a decision had been quickly reached either way, I'd've respected it.

If the decision had been yes, then many people would have been happy.

If the decision had been no, I wouldn't have been happy with it, but as long as a good reason was given, I could have respected it. :2 cents:

 

[QBall1970]

That's what I said. But in a long winded way. Seems like I'm getting hated on to. But all is fair in war.

This is a war right? I don't want to fight back at all, but it is getting perversly interesting. ( iknow qball, I said it's not boring)

LMFAO!!!!

Good one, man!!! :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

 

[McRocket]

First, looks like I did not hit the stop button fast enough, and double posted. I'm suck.

More importantly, I have an anarchy tatoo, so I **** goverment of all form. But I do understand them, if no one governed the boards then they would ******* to anarchy, and be gone. Same is true for society, if no one tells the population what to do it crumbles and we have to fight for ourselves.

The bigger and bigger the net gets, the more boards and members there are. At some point the men upstairs (ladies too, just generlizing) are going to protect there intrests by starting these "witch hunts". The only way to keep this many people happy, is by removing the "problems", they become martyrs. Or they fight back and become patriots. That is why The Boss has not said anything, he let's you fight among yourselfs so you can't see what is happening.

You can stay and say what you want, but if it draws to much attention it'll be you getting ******, or you can leave and wash your hands of it. Or you can be complacent and do what your told.

Bottom line if you want to talk on boards, surf the net, or live in any country. You better get used to having someone look over your shoulder.

Well put. But just because I have to put up with it; doesn't mean I have to like it or take it quitely. But there is a point where it just is not worth it. Unfortunetly, for the most part, you CAN'T fight city hall. Most of the time -

 

[superfly2]

Call it what you wish. I would appreciate it if you would not take such libeties with my written words in the future. To me it is borderline slander. To take someone's written words and transform them to make a point without stating that you have transformed them. You may think that is fine. I do not. And if you did that with a book I wrote, I believe that legal action would have been possible.
I choose my words carefully. If you are going to use them to make a point; please either quote them or at least state that you are not quoting them.
If somebody read only your entry - they would understandably believe that what you typed was very close to what I said. They would have no reason to think otherwise. And they would have been mistaken.

Thank you.

I chose my words carefully too. That is why I used "insinuated" in my response. Sorry if I'm misrepresenting you. But if I'm going to offer you an apology, then you better be able to explain to me what it is you were saying that is so different from what I interpreted.

 

[McRocket]

Re: Biting the Hand That Feeds You

Dude... that was a pretty fucking harsh thing to say in rebuttal. Tone it down, Nightfly. That was just so uncool. My God, even IF you don't get along with someone.... saying something like that is just horrible. And then you followed it up with "Have a blessed day!"

:eek: :nono:

I agree. Nightfly. I am surprised. If you are referrring to what Phil 77 said on the suicide thread; well that is WAY out of line man.
He bares his sole (supposedly) and you use it against him for a shot? Not cool.
I know he bugs you. But that is WAY too far.

You seem like a reasonable fellow. I am quite sure you will see that in short order.

 

[superfly2]

That's what I said. But in a long winded way.

I know. I saw it while I was typing but decided to post it anyway because I think it makes a very strong point. Nice to see someone else feels the same way. :thumbsup:

 

[McRocket]

I chose my words carefully too. That is why I used "insinuated" in my response. Sorry if I'm misrepresenting you. But if I'm going to offer you an apology, then you better be able to explain to me what it is you were saying that is so different from what I interpreted.

I am not asking for an apology. WHen did I ask for that? I am simply asking you to not misrepresent what I say in the future. That's all. And the next time you do it (if you or anyone else did it) I would ask you (or them) to please not do it.

No biggee. No apology asked for. Just please don't put words in my mouth. I am a writer (wannabe) and I value what I type - even when it's absolute junk.

And to answer your question. I think you misrepresented what I said (imo) in this way:

I typed...'This is porn....It is going to attract some people 'on the edge'. And with that comes a certain amount of rudeness. It's inevitable.'

And you then typed...'and to address another one of your comments (or insinuations) I don't assume that just because someone looks at porn that they are automatically scrungy or uneducated on how to address others in a public gathering either.'

If you think that you did not misrepresent (and greatly expand on, btw) what I typed - well, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

No big giant whoop.

 

[McRocket]

Well said Dinalt. Very well said.

 

[Dinalt]

Well said Dinalt. Very well said.

:glugglug: Thanks mcrocket. I'm just truly saddened that the 001/LR witch hunt seems to be active even outside of Freeones.
As I've said, I don't agree with every statement in The Haven, but people are entitled to their own opinions.

If members are to be ******, then only posts made within Freeones should count towards that ban. Banning anyone for posting on another board is absolutely ridiculous, as both boards have different sets of rules. Hopefully, my post highlighted the absurdity of this notion.

Ahhhh, the daily libel/"swipe" from Phil77!!!! Glad to see you're still awake and haven't ****** yourself yet, man. Thanks for the post. Have a blessed day!

And I think this was a bit harsh as well, especially as it probably relates to the previous suicide thread.
Having suffered with suicidal tendencies before, this seems in very poor taste. I realise you were rebutting a comment made by Phil77, but you usually choose your words a lot more carefully NF.
And yes, before anyone mentions The Haven, there are worse comments made on there. But you can't say FO is a quality site, and then come out with something like that. Different rules & posting styles for different boards.

 

[QBall1970]

TO: EVERYONE


I'm thinking that we all need to pull back from this thread and just take a couple of deep breaths. All of us are on edge over this situation... or so it seems. And passions are running high.

C'mon, guys... let's all make nice-nice again. We can always stalk around each other like tom cats after a pussy in heat another day. There's no sense in us tearing each other down so vehemently.

And yes, I'm including myself in this one as well.

For all those here in the U.S. - y'all have a good night!

To those in Europe and elsewhere - y'all have a great day!

'Q' has left the building.

 

[member2686]

Dinalt, I posted that simply to reply to Phil77, since he seems to only be able to be semi-civil in public posts. You should read his PMs...

As to me being "more edgy" of late....you're damned right I am!!! I am tired of the bollocks and CRAP I see here, and I am frustrated by certain other administrative issues, and I'm EVEN MORE SO disappointed with the posts my friends (old and new) are making elsewhere trashing this board and its staff.

Not cool.

Cheers. :hatsoff:

 

[Dinalt]

Dinalt, I posted that simply to reply to Phil77, since he seems to only be able to be semi-civil in public posts. You should read his PMs...

As to me being "more edgy" of late....you're damned right I am!!! I am tired of the bollocks and CRAP I see here, and I am frustrated by certain other administrative issues, and I'm EVEN MORE SO disappointed with the posts my friends (old and new) are making elsewhere trashing this board and its staff.

Not cool.

Cheers. :hatsoff:

:glugglug: Thanks for the reply NF, and I'm also getting very frustrated with certain other administrative issues as well.

Still, I agree with everything Q said, we all need to take a few deep breaths and get the subject back on track, because it's descending into farce now.
I'll count myself in with that statement, as I've been getting more and more frustrated this week with admin., and been letting it show in some posts - hence my public apology to FamousBabes, who's been doing a great job.

The sad thing is, this whole situation could have been largely avoided (imo), simply by admin. taking a strong lead.
By sitting back and doing nothing, they've allowed the situation to escalate to the degree that established posters are feeling frustrated.
They've allowed 2 distinct chains of thought to be created, and this isn't creating a healthy environment. It's only leading to flaming, which will in turn lead to bans, which will in turn possibly lead to even more bad feeling.
It's a nasty cycle, that admin. could've avoided, but chose not to.
Instead of which, they've allowed the situation to escalate, and 001's reinstatement has become almost a side issue now.

A firm yes or no early on could've resolved a lot of issues. There may have been discussion regarding the decision, but as long as the reason was valid (either way), I think people would have largely accepted it.

So let's get this thread back on track, because I think we've lost sight of what I originally posted it for. :thumbsup:

 

[McRocket]

In addition to some good points from some members above; I would just like to add on the banning people for what they say on HAven issue.

This is, apparently, just a rumour at this time. I suggest we give it little or no attention until such time that it becomes fact.

And as for the reason that the mods haven't ****** a judgement on 001? Maybe there is a reason that we are not aware of? Maybe the head honcho is sick? Dead? In love? In lust? Constantly masterbating and cannot be disturbed? Whatever. Why doesn't someone just ask him/her about it? Can one get hold of this person (when he is not masturbating preferrably. Don't want to interupt a man on vacation)?

Why doesn't someone ask him why 001 was ******? Or has the 'great one' already spoken on the issue.

Just my thoughts on the subject. Now back to my life. Hmmmm....masturbating huh?

 

[Winter]

Freeones himself has nothing to do with the board as previously mentioned in this thread. Marie could have un done any bans, and she could have made this situation much better, as she is a regular on the board and has the power to do so. Instead she made quite clear she cared not for the members, and in my humble opinion is trying to prove she is in fact the one in charge and in power by dragging her feet and throwing weight around about it. This has served no beneficiary purpose to anyone.

I am positive 001 will not be reinstated, so I am not going to bother arguing for that fact anymore.

Haven is a place where people can say what they want, and I dont see how it should bear any relevance to this matter. People are more than welcome to sign up there and insult me if they wish to do so! I will give back as good as I get though

The fact 35 regular Freeones members have joined up to some tiny shitty free board mst give some indication that things are seriously wrong here. But that matters not as members leaving is not a reason to do anything according to Marie.

Please can the admin here just answer one question - Why dont you care about the board and its members?

 

[member5726]

I think the mods are intentionally staying out of this to prove a point to everyone. They want to show us how quickly things ******* when there is no authority.

I have to agree with you on that point, but on the other hand, if we just stand around and do nothing, nothing will happen either... :2 cents:

 

[ÆGEAN]

i have been close to "the Dangerzone" and frankly this is what makes a forum, a forum.

 

[Dinalt]

Must be a bit of a roller coaster for LR/001. A few months ago - I read quite a bit of negativity about the guy. Now much of the board is doing all kinds of things to keep him. I wish women treated me that way. (the latter)

Whether you live for 100 more seconds or 100 more years 001. For a few weeks, on a chat board on the internet, you were respected and fought for. I bet not too many can say that - for whatever it's worth.

:glugglug: Great post there mcrocket, I've copied it out of Escnabel's goodbye thread, as I think it deserves to be seen. :hatsoff:

 

[QBall1970]

:glugglug: Great post there mcrocket, I've copied it out of Escnabel's goodbye thread, as I think it deserves to be seen. :hatsoff:

AMEN.

 

[fcklol]

I don't think free speach is dead.I think it's simply being ignored.I find it impossible to believe that those who can settle this issue are unaware of it or haven't had the time to address it.

 

[Winter]

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