*Is Free Speech Dead ?*

Is free speech dead in the talk forum

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 70.2%
  • No

    Votes: 9 19.1%
  • Unsure or don't care

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • Total voters
    47
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High decorum is ALWAYS "in line" and expected on FreeOnes, mcrocket, and THAT'S what sets this place apart from the other fora you mentioned in your post. :tongue:

FreeOnes = quality. You might "get away with more" on other boards, but they're not THIS good... :)

Cheers. :hatsoff:
 
Nightfly said:
High decorum is ALWAYS "in line" and expected on FreeOnes, mcrocket, and THAT'S what sets this place apart from the other fora you mentioned in your post. :tongue:

FreeOnes = quality. You might "get away with more" on other boards, but they're not THIS good... :)

Cheers. :hatsoff:


With all due respect - 'get away' with what? Expressing one's opinion? Are you saying that if someone expresses an opinion that offends but a few that they should be ******?
Life is full of unplesantries. Everyone should understand that and live with it. Tolerance is better then censorship - at least to me.
 
mcrocket said:
If you can't speak your mind on a porn chat forum; where can you?
When you're sitting around with a bunch of your friends ******** **** or something. ;)

And to address another one of your comments (or insinuations) I don't assume that just because someone looks at porn that they are automatically scrungy or uneducated on how to address others in a public gathering either.

I appreciate Freeones' attempt to keep this place polite, friendly, and for encouraging cordial behavior. Of course, this will impede on what is acceptable and what isn't, and on what you can and cannot say.

This relates directly to society. We have laws that are enforced (most of the time) in the interest of the greater good. Look at any place that does not have laws, or that simply cannot enforce them. These places are chaotic, technologically backwards, have higher crime rates (although most of it doesn't even get reported), are less educated, and have a lower standard of living. These people are worse off even though they have total freedom.

People need guidance and boundaries. It's like potting a plant. For some species, if you use a crock that is too big before the plant has had time to grow, there is a good chance that it will end up dying. It needs to be able to handle the space it is in before being allowed to expand, and move to a larger pot. This relates to some of the members here. A lot of the older members here get away with more and have a larger expressive boundary that is earned through the respect and acceptance of others.

Now if you were in a bar you could probably say whatever you wanted to whomever you wanted. Right? Sure! You'd get a knuckle sandwich and end up walking home carrying your teeth in your hand. On a public board, this is not possible. Instead of a few quick slaps, you end up getting thread after thread ruined by two people that keep arguing back and forth because typing an argument takes a lot longer than talking, and talking takes even longer than fighting.

This is why Freeones needs to enforce guidelines. I don't think this board would be as attractive to posters if it were as childish and hostile as some of the others out there. That could be why this is probably the biggest and best porn message board on the net. But being the best comes with it's price. You can't fart and curse in a fancy expensive restaurant, but you can in Uncle Ed's BurgerShack. Get my drift? (not a pun :1orglaugh )

Maybe I'm a little off topic. Maybe I'm blabbering. But that's just my :2 cents:
 
So is it true Marie that you and/or other mods have read through Premium Link Upgrade and are going to ban people based on opinions on a DIFFERENT board?

Fuck me, congratulations! Now THAT'S what I call censorship!
 
Why in the hell are we now making a big deal of the number of members who actively post? Who gives a ****, and why is this an issue? The most that has been on at one time is 414. SO the member to active member posts will never be accurate. People come and go all the time, some to simply ask who this babe is, or info about movies, and other porn stuff.

Bottom line is stop making an issue out of something that shouldn't be. Now things really are getting ridiculous.
 
superfly2 said:
When you're sitting around with a bunch of your friends ******** **** or something. ;)

And to address another one of your comments (or insinuations) I don't assume that just because someone looks at porn that they are automatically scrungy or uneducated on how to address others in a public gathering either.

I did not type that or insinuate that. Please do not misrepresent what I type. I said it was 'going to attract some people on the edge.' How did you get what you typed out of that? I did not say scrungy or uneducated or automatically. Once again, please do not misrepresent what I type.

I appreciate Freeones' attempt to keep this place polite, friendly, and for encouraging cordial behavior. Of course, this will impede on what is acceptable and what isn't, and on what you can and cannot say.

Polite, friendly and for encouraging cordial behaviour? :1orglaugh Is this a library? Kindergarden? This is a porn chat room. No offense; but you and others that expect this level of 'niceness' are living in a bit of a ***** world.

This relates directly to society. We have laws that are enforced (most of the time) in the interest of the greater good.

Wasen't that how Communism worked? Laws for the greater good? The US allows free speech in ALL public areas - as far as I am aware. And that country seems to work pretty well. Same in Canada.

This is why Freeones needs to enforce guidelines. I don't think this board would be as attractive to posters if it were as childish and hostile as some of the others out there. That could be why this is probably the biggest and best porn message board on the net. But being the best comes with it's price. You can't fart and curse in a fancy expensive restaurant, but you can in Uncle Ed's BurgerShack. Get my drift? (not a pun :1orglaugh )

Maybe I'm a little off topic. Maybe I'm blabbering. But that's just my :2 cents:

BTW - if I have to fart or feel like cursing. I will do it where ever I please. As should everyone. Nothing wrong with either. One is a basic function. And one is just words.
 
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Biting the Hand That Feeds You

Speculatively speaking, I'd not be surprised to see a number of bans based on the **** I have seen posted on The Haven board, Winter/001/Raven. Well-regarded, established members of FOs here are over there (on your Haven board) ****-TALKING about FreeOnes and trash-talking the mods etc. It's shameful. I fully supported 001 and the reinstatement of 001. I still do, but, at this point I am EMBARASSED of the crap I see posted on your board.

No one is going to give FOs or Marie or any other mod a good "warm fuzzy" feeling by insulting them. People on The Haven are running rough-shod posting derogatory things about FreeOnes. What the HELL were they thinking? Being frustrated and dissatisfied is one thing, but to post so hostilely towards FreeOnes whilst asking for 001's return/reinstatement -- that's beyond my comprehension!!!

I've said this before and I'm not going to say it again in detail... Boards are NOT democracies. They're dictatorships. Each board owner (and, by proxy, his/her staff) decides who stays or goes, for WHATEVER reason. We're free to say what we can, while we can, but I'd not "cry foul" if I were you or several others on The Haven who are trashing the FreeOnes community IF your ban stays and THEY ALSO get ******. It's pretty simple. Anticipated message: "If you don't like FreeOnes' fora any longer and dislike the mods, then fine. Have a ban. Since you don't care and **** us and dislike us so much, have a ban. Bye."

No one wants that, but I sense that that's where it's heading. Turn it around, man...
 
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BTW - if I have to fart or feel like cursing. I will do it where ever I please. As should everyone. Nothing wrong with either. One is a basic function. And one is just words.[/QUOTE]

Yea, I agree with that. However you wold'nt want to do either in front of your GF\wifes parents for the first time. And to purposly swear in front of lil **** is not cool, sefl control and a good code of personal ethics is the key.

The ethos of a society may look down on both in any situation, but your ethics would let you choose when and were to do either. You just have to choose what is more important the ethos or ethics. (what others want, compared to what you want) You have to find a balance ie, fart when it's funny, and swear when you hurt yourself.

and done
 
BTW - if I have to fart or feel like cursing. I will do it where ever I please. As should everyone. Nothing wrong with either. One is a basic function. And one is just words.[/QUOTE]

Yea, I agree with that. However you would'nt want to do either in front of your GF\wifes parents for the first time. And to purposly swear in front of lil **** is not cool, self control and a good code of personal ethics is the key.

The ethos of a society may look down on both in any situation, but your ethics would let you choose when and were to do either. You just have to choose what is more important the ethos or ethics. (what others want, compared to what you want) You have to find a balance; i.e. fart when it's funny, and swear when you hurt yourself.

(i apologize for my spellin n grammer)
 
Let me ask you this, dear friend? (redirect to Nightfly)

The Haven is a completely different site and entity that is WHOLLY unconnected, separate, or related to Freeones. Why should what is posted over THERE have any direct effect or relation to what happens HERE... unless it's a case of oppression and retribution? Seems to me that if THAT is the case, the witch hunt continues even OFF Freeones.

Now, I have no way of confirming whether or not the staff members of Freeones are actively SPYING on The Haven, but if they are, I would think that would only speak ill of said people... ESPECIALLY if they choose to use those opinions and impressions in a vindictive manner back HERE on Freeones.

The Boards are separate entities. What happens - or is said - on the one should have no direct effect to HERE. The Boards are separate and have no legal relation to one another. It would be pure vindictiveness, spite, and retribution on the part of the staff HERE if anyone were to be ****** for what was said - on a wholly separate bulletin board - at The Haven.

It would only serve to further the impression that is being created now.

And yes, I DO agree that soime of the more outspoken opinions have become disturbing, but it's not for me, you, or for anyone else to judge or condemn.

As I see it - and this is just MY opinion - if anyone is SPYING on the members at The Haven... well, that says to me that they feel THREATENED and are embarassed by what's taken place and they have to resort to underhanded methods to garner information. No thing is being said there - to my knowledge - that ain't being said here. It only goes to show me that if said opinions are used in a retributional manner against the members who have joined that - or ANY other Board, for that matter - what we have been speaking out against all along is true.

The Haven and Freeones are wholly separate entities. What happens on one should have absolutely no effect on the other. And this bullshit about it being a "right" is just that... fucking bullshit. Dictatorship or not, no one can hold ME back from saying what I feel on MY site... it smacks of tyranny, oppression, vengefulness, retribution, and above all, harassment.

For example:

It would be like me calling YOU out on MY Board. And YOU hear about it on HIS Board. Would YOU have a right to seek retribution against ME if I'm poisting MY opinion on MY Board?

I would hope not; that would be petty and juvenile. It would be also be underhanded, sneaky, and vengeful. In other words... a WITCH HUNT.

Just my opinion.... nothing more need be read into my words. Seems some folks have been doing that a LOT around here lately.
 
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Re: Biting the Hand That Feeds You

Nightfly said:
Speculatively speaking, I'd not be surprised to see a number of bans based on the **** I have seen posted on The Haven board, Winter/001/Raven. Well-regarded, established members of FOs here are over there (on your Haven board) ****-TALKING about FreeOnes and trash-talking the mods etc. It's shameful. I fully supported 001 and the reinstatement of 001. I still do, but, at this point I am EMBARASSED of the crap I see posted on your board.

No one is going to give FOs or Marie or any other mod a good "warm fuzzy" feeling by insulting them. People on The Haven are running rough-shod posting derogatory things about FreeOnes. What the HELL were they thinking? Being frustrated and dissatisfied is one thing, but to post so hostilely towards FreeOnes whilst asking for 001's return/reinstatement -- that's beyond my comprehension!!!

I've said this before and I'm not going to say it again in detail... Boards are NOT democracies. They're dictatorships. Each board owner (and, by proxy, his/her staff) decides who stays or goes, for WHATEVER reason. We're free to say what we can, while we can, but I'd not "cry foul" if I were you or several others on The Haven who are trashing the FreeOnes community IF your ban stays and THEY ALSO get ******. It's pretty simple. Anticipated message: "If you don't like FreeOnes' fora any longer and dislike the mods, then fine. Have a ban. Since you don't care and **** us and dislike us so much, have a ban. Bye."

No one wants that, but I sense that that's where it's heading. Turn it around, man...


I am afraid there is no way that I can immediately think of to say this without sounding like the head of a political party making a speech. But here goes (lol)...

I will personally do whatever I can and/or want to stop dictatorships in any form; anywhere.
So if this board is a dictatorship. Fine. Then I will do whatever I can and/or want to peacefully make it more democratic. Will I succeed? Naaa. But I will probably try. Why? Because I think it will make the world just the tiniest bit better.

Told you it will sound like a political speech...yuch.
 
You did insinuate what I typed. I wouldn't have picked up on it if you hadn't insinuated it. Don't be offended, I look at porn so you must understand that it "comes with a certain amount of rudeness".

Anyway I'm not going to dissect your post as you did to mine. It's tempting, but I don't think it will accomplish much. I said what I think and don't mind if not everyone agrees with me. We have different opinions based on different experiences.

BTW, analogies aren't meant to be taken literally. It seems one of the points I made has been lost already. :(
 
Re: Biting the Hand That Feeds You

Nightfly said:
Speculatively speaking, I'd not be surprised to see a number of bans based on the **** I have seen posted on The Haven board, Winter/001/Raven. Well-regarded, established members of FOs here are over there (on your Haven board) ****-TALKING about FreeOnes and trash-talking the mods etc. It's shameful. I fully supported 001 and the reinstatement of 001. I still do, but, at this point I am EMBARASSED of the crap I see posted on your board.

No one is going to give FOs or Marie or any other mod a good "warm fuzzy" feeling by insulting them. People on The Haven are running rough-shod posting derogatory things about FreeOnes. What the HELL were they thinking? Being frustrated and dissatisfied is one thing, but to post so hostilely towards FreeOnes whilst asking for 001's return/reinstatement -- that's beyond my comprehension!!!

I've said this before and I'm not going to say it again in detail... Boards are NOT democracies. They're dictatorships. Each board owner (and, by proxy, his/her staff) decides who stays or goes, for WHATEVER reason. We're free to say what we can, while we can, but I'd not "cry foul" if I were you or several others on The Haven who are trashing the FreeOnes community IF your ban stays and THEY ALSO get ******. It's pretty simple. Anticipated message: "If you don't like FreeOnes' fora any longer and dislike the mods, then fine. Have a ban. Since you don't care and **** us and dislike us so much, have a ban. Bye."

No one wants that, but I sense that that's where it's heading. Turn it around, man...


WOW, after reading all of this, I now realize Nightfly that you are biggest hypocrite on this message board. How you get away with half the bullshit you say is beyond me?

FO and the Haven are both message boards, and what is said on both boards should not be repeated.
 
Re: Biting the Hand That Feeds You

Ahhhh, the daily libel/"swipe" from Phil77!!!! Glad to see you're still awake and haven't ****** yourself yet, man. Thanks for the post. Have a blessed day! :hatsoff: :)

Phil77 said:
WOW, after reading all of this, I now realize Nightfly that you are biggest hypocrite on this message board. How you get away with half the bullshit you say is beyond me?....
 
First, looks like I did not hit the stop button fast enough, and double posted. I'm suck.

More importantly, I have an anarchy tatoo, so I **** goverment of all form. But I do understand them, if no one governed the boards then they would ******* to anarchy, and be gone. Same is true for society, if no one tells the population what to do it crumbles and we have to fight for ourselves.

The bigger and bigger the net gets, the more boards and members there are. At some point the men upstairs (ladies too, just generlizing) are going to protect there intrests by starting these "witch hunts". The only way to keep this many people happy, is by removing the "problems", they become martyrs. Or they fight back and become patriots. That is why The Boss has not said anything, he let's you fight among yourselfs so you can't see what is happening.

You can stay and say what you want, but if it draws to much attention it'll be you getting ******, or you can leave and wash your hands of it. Or you can be complacent and do what your told.

Bottom line if you want to talk on boards, surf the net, or live in any country. You better get used to having someone look over your shoulder.
 
Re: Biting the Hand That Feeds You

Nightfly said:
Ahhhh, the daily libel/"swipe" from Phil77!!!! Glad to see you're still awake and haven't ****** yourself yet, man. Thanks for the post. Have a blessed day! :hatsoff: :)


Dude... that was a pretty fucking harsh thing to say in rebuttal. Tone it down, Nightfly. That was just so uncool. My God, even IF you don't get along with someone.... saying something like that is just horrible. And then you followed it up with "Have a blessed day!"

:eek: :confused: :nono:
 
Re: Biting the Hand That Feeds You

Nightfly said:
Ahhhh, the daily libel/"swipe" from Phil77!!!! Glad to see you're still awake and haven't ****** yourself yet, man. Thanks for the post. Have a blessed day! :hatsoff: :)

I just farted, and it smelled a lot better than the bullshit you come up with.
 
superfly2 said:
You did insinuate what I typed. I wouldn't have picked up on it if you hadn't insinuated it. Don't be offended, I look at porn so you must understand that it "comes with a certain amount of rudeness".

Anyway I'm not going to dissect your post as you did to mine. It's tempting, but I don't think it will accomplish much. I said what I think and don't mind if not everyone agrees with me. We have different opinions based on different experiences.

BTW, analogies aren't meant to be taken literally. It seems one of the points I made has been lost already. :(


Call it what you wish. I would appreciate it if you would not take such libeties with my written words in the future. To me it is borderline slander. To take someone's written words and transform them to make a point without stating that you have transformed them. You may think that is fine. I do not. And if you did that with a book I wrote, I believe that legal action would have been possible.
I choose my words carefully. If you are going to use them to make a point; please either quote them or at least state that you are not quoting them.
If somebody read only your entry - they would understandably believe that what you typed was very close to what I said. They would have no reason to think otherwise. And they would have been mistaken.

Thank you.
 
superfly2 said:
I think the mods are intentionally staying out of this to prove a point to everyone. They want to show us how quickly things ******* when there is no authority.

That's what I said. But in a long winded way. Seems like I'm getting hated on to. But all is fair in war.

This is a war right? I don't want to fight back at all, but it is getting perversly interesting. ( iknow qball, I said it's not boring)
 
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