*Is Free Speech Dead ?*

Is free speech dead in the talk forum

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 70.2%
  • No

    Votes: 9 19.1%
  • Unsure or don't care

    Votes: 5 10.6%

  • Total voters
    47
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Good posts guys. I learned a ton about the situation and how people feel. I do understand that the member here wish 001 to be reinstanted and it was wrong to ban him.

To be clear, I'm not sure if it was okay to ban him or not in my mind. If
"fly" himself feels he's turned over a new leaf, thats enough for me.
 
Marie said:
Look, I can't remember any agreement from my side, I am sorry. I knew you were here (like i told you last tues), but I didn't know what the problem was with you, which is why I let it go. I am not the banning type, mostly, and b/c you weren't annoying here, I decided to let it go. A few ***** things happened two weeks ago, in the Phil77/Digital/001 conflict. Those little things were bothering me, but not enough to ban one of you.

I think over the course of this thread it has become quite obvious that the main problem here was a miscommunication/misunderstanding between mods. You are saying here, as did most everyone, that there was no reason to ban 001 because of his posts or anything to do with flaming/spamming or other despicable acts. Quite contrary, there's about a hundred members emphasizing the point that 001 was one of the best contributors around here.

Marie said:
After LR/001/#/#/#/#/ was/were ******, many other accounts were started by the same person, posting a lot of crap and spamming his own 'board'. Quite a good reason for a ban I'd say.

There can't be no fair trial if the defendent can't contribute to it. It's only fair if he voices his opinion in a matter that has a great number of members involved in discussion and that is solely about him.

Marie said:
Anyway, I am neutral towards you being allowed back. My permissions as an admin allow me to unban you but I'm not too positive about that at this point. I have to think about it or hear what the other mods have to say about it.

Frankly, I don't see your reason there. I do respect and appreciate every Mod's work around here, but I frankly think the mod squad's reputation has suffered from this topic and the way y'all reacted to it (closing threads etc.) This loss of reputation is not substantiated since I learned only last night that mods (i.e. Famousbabes) are willing to discuss things even if they are critisized. Still, it's there. And what better way to create a peaceful, calm atmosphere than admitting a mistake/misunderstanding? :hatsoff:
 
I understand the confusion. Some of the stuff said and done in the past was pretty harsh. Nothing I can do now apart from apologise and continue to contribute as i have recently. I dont want to forget about what happened or ignore it - if anyone needs to resolve anything still then please contact me. Allow me the indulgence of sounding like a smug git for one second here, but if you chat to me for a bit on yahoo and stuff its impossible not to get along with me :)

Well hopefully Marie or Freeones or whoever will read all this and decide what to do but I have to pop out for an hour or so. I wont use this account to post anywhere but this thread.

See you shortly.
 
Well allow me to commend 001 about his first post on here as Winter. It takes alot of heart to admit when you are both wrong, and that you accept your responsibilities. He's not attacking anyone nor complaining about his recent banning. He simply states that conflicts do happen on this board.

Yes 001 and I have had our own little macho conflicts, but they were resloved, and hell I was even ****** for 3 days because of it. Bottom line is I'll admit I've always had issues with LR/001, but his recent posts have garnered me to respect him now, because it takes a real man to do what he does.

My advice to you if you are unbanned, do what I did, and use your true name, continue to be yourself, and appreciate it.

Now as far as Mods, I have no doubt it is the most unappreciated task on the internet. People in the past (myself included) automatically put the blame on you guys. I have a heck of alot of respect for anyone who moderates a message board.
What seems to be lacking on this board however, is communication between the other mods, and with other members. If a mod has an issue he should deal with it through the entire board not just in the mods section. Especially if it has to do with members of this board. Enough said.

Let me also apologize to FB for my comments earlier accussing him of trying to get me riled up.

Free speech is always going to be a serious issue, and it's great to see so many people being so opiniated about it. But I disagree with Nightfly's comments, it should still be allowed on a message board. Even if it institutes conflicts of interest, its bound to happen, and should not be a shock amongst fellow board members.

Anyway I've written too many long ass posts today, so I'm all worn out.
Thank you.
 
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:bowdown: I'm really glad I made this thread, as it's encouraged a lot of debate about the whole free speech / banning issues.

I'm also glad that 001/LR's being allowed to post his opinions in here, albeit under a new username. At least he's being allowed to put forward his side of the argument, and that's unique for a ****** member.
So :hatsoff: to FamousBabes for letting him continue posting here as Winter.

But I will say that a lifetime ban on the board is wrong, for several reasons:

1) The obvious first, it's easy enough to carry on posting - just keep re-registering with a different username. This just wastes Mod's & Admin's team reissuing bans, only for it to happen again.
Use bans wisely, i.e. short periods of time, to let people reflect on what may or may not have gone wrong.

2) People do deserve second chances. People change over time, sometimes over a matter of months, so a lifetime ban seems slightly too harsh.

As you can probably guess from my posting, I'm in favour of 001 being allowed back - either as LR or 001, whichever. There may have been mistakes in the past, but he's been man enough to admit to them AND apologise for them.
Most importantly, he's been (in my opinion), a great asset to the board posting as 001, and this can be seen by the amount of interest generated in threads relating to 001.
And we haven't just got new members backing him up, most of the backup's coming from established members - and more importantly, those who may have had disagreements with him in the past.

Hope you get reinstated Winter/001/LR, 'cos the board needs you. :wave2:
 
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I don't think anyone could have said that better than the way you put it m8. I am one of those established members, however I did not have a disagreement with him, although people did think at first that that was me being 001,lol!!!!! I thought of it as a serious thing to start with, but then I was able to laugh at it and joke about it and become real good friends with this guy.

If you told me all the bad stuff that he did as LR, I would say so what??? That's all in the past, it's all behind us, why bring it up again?? There's no need. People have been telling me to forget stuff that's happened earlier when I first started on here, and gradually, people have got on with me and become m8s with me as I have done with them, and I must say, 001/LR is a definite asset to this board, no doubt.

When he told me, I was a little shocked, but I was like cool, because at first, it made me wonder how he knew all these things about the board that I didnt know (think about it, he only joined back again as 001 in Feb of this year,lol!!!).

He was telling me what to do, giving me a good advice about how I should post, he was one of those who told me not to let moaners and whingers who go on about spammers get to me, and he's also made great threads like Caption This! Welshchick Gallery (the best one), Hypothetical Questions, and many more.

He may not have liked the celebratory (congratulations/birthdays) threads, but he contributed. He told me that he was allowed back as long as he didnt cause much trouble/havoc and contributed. Now what I have said in the last paragraph and this one, if that does not show to you those who don't think he has made contributions at all on this board, then I think you either need to go see a psychiatrist or get your reading glasses and look up the word in the dictionary!

Finally, I would like to end by saying that if I get neg rep for saying what I feel about a good friend and a good member of this board that I lost due to the fact because of some idiotic people out there, then fine, I dont care, go ahead, ban me if you have to, I'm just expressing my feelings, the last 2 nights have been so quiet on here and its not the same really without 001. So please, can't you just give 001/LR a chance, I would say this for any member who was in the exact same predicament.

And for those of you who think oh RKO is only 18 and stuff like that,I may be that age and probably the youngest member on here, but at least I am, IMO, somewhat a mature 18 year old and I act a little like an adult. Maybe you should (those, criticising 001/LR and voting for his ban) all take a look in the mirror and start acting like proper adults. That's all I gotta say.
 
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Dinalt said:
:glugglug: Bravo RKO!!!05, excellent post, and I think the longest you've ever made on FO. :bowdown:

Thanks m8, I'm just saying what I feel, expressing how I feel about this, I'm sure you would do the same for your m8s on here. :)
 
RKO!!!05 said:
Thanks m8, I'm just saying what I feel, expressing how I feel about this, I'm sure you would do the same for your m8s on here. :)

:glugglug: Yes indeed, would do, have done and am doing, lol. :thumbsup:
 
Famousbabes said:
Good posts guys. I learned a ton about the situation and how people feel. I do understand that the member here wish 001 to be reinstanted and it was wrong to ban him.

To be clear, I'm not sure if it was okay to ban him or not in my mind. If
"fly" himself feels he's turned over a new leaf, thats enough for me.
Cool man. :hatsoff:
 
Wow!!! Nice post RKO! Normally that'd be like 450 posts' worth for you, word count-wise!! LMAO j/k RKO... :D ;) :hatsoff: Good job sticking up for your mate, RKO.

Cheers! :glugglug:
 
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