Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
To quote Robert DiNiro...."Are you talkin' ta meeee???"
Iraqi Christians Savagely Attacked by Islamofascists...Again.
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To quote Robert DiNiro...."Are you talkin' ta meeee???"
Come on, seriously?
When the US invaded Iraq, there were no Christians or Moderates or anyone like that. They were all evil terrorists, fucking towelheads or mischievous builders of WMDs. The American right wing didn't give a flying fuck about those people, who were actually better off under Saddam Hussein than in most other Muslim countries.
Now all of the sudden there are poor, poor Christians in Iraq, who are murderd by evil Islamofacists?
Sorry, I know it shouldn't be a laughing matter, but this is almost ludicrous. Obviously, for the most people this has nothing to do with those poor Iraqis getting killed. This is just another stone in the "wall of righteousness" the American Christian right wing is building against Islam.
Sorry, dear Americans, but you put this government in place, which, by the way, just sentenced the only moderate Christian in Saddams former government to death, because it is right wing itself much like the US government who put it in charge once. Only in the US being right wing meant being Christian most of the time, whereas in Iraq, well, the right wing isn't really Christian.
Don't get me wrong, I don't approve of muslim extremism. But I approve of American Christian right wing extremism much less. Because of most muslim extremists we know that they are dangerous. The American Christian right wing extremist on the other hand claims the throne of righteousness while not hiring Arabs for racist reasons, wanting his wife to be a cooking, cleaning doormat, who probably shouldn't even have a right to vote, stockpiling weapons and training for the moment he can overthrow the democratically elected government, or even shooting an abortion doctor in a church. And that does make the American Christian right wing extremist perhaps even more dangerous. Because he does is all from a moral highground, because he is part of a milieu or social setting, which is resistant to suggestions and immune to argumentation, what Kramer called "blickdichte Parallelwelten". Which means, in communities, that claim an exceptional position amongst others, be it because of religious chosenness, privileged manifestation or revelation, race, moral, knowledge, or other assumed extraordinary traits, the formation of parallel communities is possible, who are immune to argumentation and who can hardly be cracked up again. Kramer and others researched this in connection to World War II commemoration in the US, but it fits to large parts of the state of mind of the American right wing.
There are so many parallels it is uncanny.
The dehumanization of "the other" (as John Dower called it) through rhetorics and propaganda is another example. Calling the Islamists "vile creatures" and their religion a "vile cult" is the same process of vilifying that was already used against the Japanese (calling them apes or portraying them as buck-toothed morons or grizzly rapists). It's all borderline racist and is meant to instill fear of an enemy race or religion that is seen as lesser, subhuman, and threatening. Marc Selden or Bruce Cumings for example have done some interesting work on that subject.
Long story short: I can see through this and I am not impressed. Don't act like you give a damn about these Iraqis, this is just another anti-Islam thread.
When the US invaded Iraq, there were no Christians or Moderates or anyone like that. They were all evil terrorists, fucking towelheads or mischievous builders of WMDs. The American right wing didn't give a flying fuck about those people, who were actually better off under Saddam Hussein than in most other Muslim countries.
Now all of the sudden there are poor, poor Christians in Iraq, who are murderd by evil Islamofacists?
Sorry, I know it shouldn't be a laughing matter, but this is almost ludicrous. Obviously, for the most people this has nothing to do with those poor Iraqis getting killed. This is just another stone in the "wall of righteousness" the American Christian right wing is building against Islam.
Sorry, dear Americans, but you put this government in place, which, by the way, just sentenced the only moderate Christian in Saddams former government to death, because it is right wing itself much like the US government who put it in charge once. Only in the US being right wing meant being Christian most of the time, whereas in Iraq, well, the right wing isn't really Christian.
Don't get me wrong, I don't approve of muslim extremism. But I approve of American Christian right wing extremism much less. Because of most muslim extremists we know that they are dangerous. The American Christian right wing extremist on the other hand claims the throne of righteousness while not hiring Arabs for racist reasons, wanting his wife to be a cooking, cleaning doormat, who probably shouldn't even have a right to vote, stockpiling weapons and training for the moment he can overthrow the democratically elected government, or even shooting an abortion doctor in a church. And that does make the American Christian right wing extremist perhaps even more dangerous. Because he does is all from a moral highground, because he is part of a milieu or social setting, which is resistant to suggestions and immune to argumentation, what Kramer called "blickdichte Parallelwelten". Which means, in communities, that claim an exceptional position amongst others, be it because of religious chosenness, privileged manifestation or revelation, race, moral, knowledge, or other assumed extraordinary traits, the formation of parallel communities is possible, who are immune to argumentation and who can hardly be cracked up again. Kramer and others researched this in connection to World War II commemoration in the US, but it fits to large parts of the state of mind of the American right wing.
There are so many parallels it is uncanny.
The dehumanization of "the other" (as John Dower called it) through rhetorics and propaganda is another example. Calling the Islamists "vile creatures" and their religion a "vile cult" is the same process of vilifying that was already used against the Japanese (calling them apes or portraying them as buck-toothed morons or grizzly rapists). It's all borderline racist and is meant to instill fear of an enemy race or religion that is seen as lesser, subhuman, and threatening. Marc Selden or Bruce Cumings for example have done some interesting work on that subject.
Long story short: I can see through this and I am not impressed. Don't act like you give a damn about these Iraqis, this is just another anti-Islam thread.
Tend to mostly agree with a couple of exceptions here....I want to say this is Post Of The(something).
Yes, it is. I have no gripes saying that either.
And BTW, as I posted in this there was a Muslim praying behind me in a lab just about 30 minutes ago. :1orglaughMuslim on Christian violence can never be justified and I don't believe anyone in this thread is doing so. We have to remember that Iraq is still a place where sectarian violence occurs everyday and has been occurring since the conflicts inception. But focusing on stories where groups of Christians are killed as compared to the vast majority of violence that occurs there (Muslim on Muslim violence) and the fact that this is completely ignored not just here but in the wider media as well just speaks of a vested interest; not in the exposure of Iraq's troubles, the rise of Islamic extremism and how one might remedy the situation but to widen the already large fracture between ideologies in which one sect of a religion can gain the moral high ground over another.
I agree wholeheartedly. Taking Saddam out of power was a pretty bone headed move out of a list of many bone headed moves. What can I say though, hindsight is a bitch.:dunno:
It's a real tragedy. The Christians have been there longer than the muslims.
He was but he converted to Islam.
He was but he converted to Islam.
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That's what I've read but it looks like he may have faked his conversion. Saddam a secularist, wanted his entire war cabinet comprised of muslims so Tariq had to convert. However, there is a theory he only changed his first name to Tariq and secretly stayed a Christian.:dunno:
Tariq's nephew definately converted from Christianity to Islam.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I'd like to see that source, Trident. From everything I have heard and read, Aziz is (soon to be "was" I guess) a lifelong Christian.
emceeemcee
Banned
Oh dear.
The state of Iraq's christian population (half of the 800,000 have left in the last 7 years) wouldn't be what it is if it weren't if it wasn't for a handful of devout christian leaders attacking Iraq and completely destabalizing it. That sad irony seems to be lost on the OP.
To the OP- did you support the attack on Iraq? If so, you're as culpable as the muslims actually carrying out the violence against the Christians.
The state of Iraq's christian population (half of the 800,000 have left in the last 7 years) wouldn't be what it is if it weren't if it wasn't for a handful of devout christian leaders attacking Iraq and completely destabalizing it. That sad irony seems to be lost on the OP.
To the OP- did you support the attack on Iraq? If so, you're as culpable as the muslims actually carrying out the violence against the Christians.
emceeemcee
Banned
Good posts come for coconut island.:clap:
Yeah, but he said your (not you're) in his last post. :elaugh: (For the record, I voted for Dr. Paul and before that Nader, so I have a clean conscience.)
MSM vilify Christians? That's BS from BS Scott. I would like to see your proof of that allegation. I will wait for an actual unedited video where they vilify Christians. Remember no edited Breitbart or Hannity videos allowed.
Well none of this debacle would've started had the Stalin of the Middle East not invaded Kuwait............or the British playing with drawing up borders willy nilly back in the 1920s.:clap:
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
the truth is no, not you.
no one specifically.
its just simple, a terrorist group killed a bunch of christians.
this stuff is so common over there its not even news worthy anymore, i understand that.
what i dont understand is anyone starting a debate or arguement over it.
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