Iraq War

[Holoferno]

You live in a beautiful country, Holo.

I think the first thing people need to realize is that neither our enemies nor ourselves are evil, and that both sides believe they are right. Secondly, that the world does not "hate America" but much of the world hates a lot of America's recent actions. Thirdly, that our leaders are not stupid or full of mistakes, but very carefully planning everything out that they are doing. They didn't become the most powerful men in the world by making mistakes and walking blindly through things.

How is Dubrovnik, and Split. My father tells me great stories about these places though I have never been south of Zagreb in your country.

Thank you for compliments for my country. Dubrovnik is really beautiful old town but it become very crowded. The same situation is with Split, old city that become growing industrial center. I am studying in Split and I will recommend you to visit old Diocletian (roman emperor) palace. But, there is another picture if you are traveling to the west. There you will see many little common-dalmatian towns where you can find peace and enjoy real mediterranean beauties. I live in such a town which name is Trogir (Greece colony: Tragurium; tragos means sheep because when Greece colonists discovered that land they saw large pack of sheep). Trogir is UNESCO town and did you now that it is unique town with the biggest number of cultural sightings on the smallest emplacement in the world. Because of that Trogir is nicknamed Town Monument! Dalmatian coast is very popular firstly because of extremely clean and untouched landscape. Our see is also extremely clean unlike Italian part of Adriatic (river Po). There are many differences between Dalmatia (south) and Zagreb (north). Here in Dalmatia we have Italian influence and Zagreb has Austrian. Of course, there is antipathy between these two regions (Zagreb is becoming richer and they are not helping periferia. We have many tourists from all parts of the world but no Americans. You usually say that our country is lacking in security. It was true 15 years ago but today Croatia is the most secure state in Europe.

 

[Senor_Cheese35]

http://icasualties.org/oif/

 

[Senor_Cheese35]

Have we really impacted Terrorism with the
iraq war or just made it worse and gave them more reason to hate us.

 

[bodie54]

^^^
I'm definitely voting for option "B", Senor....

just made it worse and gave them more reason to hate us.

 

[LordVader66]

Here is my opinion on the whole situation. The majority of Americans supported the Iraq invasion on the heels of 9/11. Had it not happened Bush would have never been able to invade Iraq. Now that we are there we cannot just leave as much as I would like for it to happen.

First of all if we leave Iraq without a ruthless dictator like Hussein in control, what is going to happen to the region? Like it or not we as a nation are dependent on Middle Eastern oil, particularly from the Saudis.

With the US out of the Middle East it is a possibility that a hostile Iran could take action in Iraq and then negotiate protectorate treaties with the Saudis, and try to take control of the oil fields in both countries. We protect the Saudis right now and if we leave the Mid East then Iran is going to want that job. It is right now vying to become a regional hegemon. Yes Iran has oil, but because of lack of technology and the states irrational decisions the Iranians push their fields too hard and that can damage them to the point where no oil can be collected. If Iran has a say at all over the Saudi oil fields, do you think America will get any oil from the mid east. Hell no

I don't like Iraq any more than the next person, but the fact of the matter is we must remain in the middle east just as we remained in europe after WWII. Do you think anyone in Europe would have wanted Stalin to have control of Russia and be right next door to France and across the channel from the UK.

I agree we cannot fight Iraq's civil war for it, but under no circumstances can the US totally leave the middle east. Another option would be to pull back to Kuwait and have Iraq act as the buffer between Iran and the Saudis. A lot of problems that I do not have the answers to, I was just trying to give you all my opinion of the current military and political situation in Iraq.

 

[scubamike]

Here is my opinion on the whole situation. The majority of Americans supported the Iraq invasion on the heels of 9/11. Had it not happened Bush would have never been able to invade Iraq. Now that we are there we cannot just leave as much as I would like for it to happen.

First of all if we leave Iraq without a ruthless dictator like Hussein in control, what is going to happen to the region? Like it or not we as a nation are dependent on Middle Eastern oil, particularly from the Saudis.

With the US out of the Middle East it is a possibility that a hostile Iran could take action in Iraq and then negotiate protectorate treaties with the Saudis, and try to take control of the oil fields in both countries. We protect the Saudis right now and if we leave the Mid East then Iran is going to want that job. It is right now vying to become a regional hegemon. Yes Iran has oil, but because of lack of technology and the states irrational decisions the Iranians push their fields too hard and that can damage them to the point where no oil can be collected. If Iran has a say at all over the Saudi oil fields, do you think America will get any oil from the mid east. Hell no

I don't like Iraq any more than the next person, but the fact of the matter is we must remain in the middle east just as we remained in europe after WWII. Do you think anyone in Europe would have wanted Stalin to have control of Russia and be right next door to France and across the channel from the UK.

I agree we cannot fight Iraq's civil war for it, but under no circumstances can the US totally leave the middle east. Another option would be to pull back to Kuwait and have Iraq act as the buffer between Iran and the Saudis. A lot of problems that I do not have the answers to, I was just trying to give you all my opinion of the current military and political situation in Iraq.

ditto that!

 

[max0rz]

/\ what they said :hatsoff:

 

[xloserxdrummerx]

The only similarity I can see between Iraq and Vietnam in that they are both pointless, nobody really believes in it except the people in charge, and that it's impossible to win. Right now we are trying to fight an idea/mindset. You can't kill an idea.

 

[Senor_Cheese35]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_deaths_1

 

[terai ringo]

The only similarity I can see between Iraq and Vietnam in that they are both pointless, nobody really believes in it except the people in charge, and that it's impossible to win. Right now we are trying to fight an idea/mindset. You can't kill an idea.

I just killed yours.


Bretheren and the humility. Why? You're not going to find the answer here.