Iran and World Powers Agree to Nuclear Deal

[288gto]

They have had them since the 70s. Today one expert on TV said they have between 100-300 warheads.

chances to use nukes go first on Israel then others.

 

[288gto]

You have to be kidding me!

They have the rockets etc and they have the warheads, they just do not have them fitted together, so they do not have to lie when they say: "We do not have nuclear missiles."

But those two items are put together in a snap by highly trained personnel, and as we speak, our german-built submarines get set up to host a number of those combinations. No attack on Israel will remain without a wipeout of the very same country that attacked them.

I am glad they have them.

yes, you mean when rocks vs bullets? palestinian children throw rocks and get shot from Israeli soldiers? I respect self protection, everyone has that right, I even support the Israeli movements that stand for peace, but Israeli politicans are blood greedy animals. Israel has done many evil things to some neighbour countries and is in threat of being atacked, and this chain of trying to atack each other should be cut somewhere. Bigger issue is having nukes, not who has them, and it's about times we destroy the nukes, so we don't have them anymore. Israel better give an explanation for their own nukes instead of talking shit, while there always should be an eye on Iran what they do with the nukes. Honestly humanity doesn't need nukes, politicans get get their nukes upon their own asses.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

You obviously have no idea what you're on about, judging from your lack of knowledge about Israel possessing specials. And about the rock throwing? Yeah, you're off point there, too. Rocks can be and are deadly, given the speed and size of the rock being thrown. The U.S. Border Patrol policy is to fire upon individuals throwing rocks. That may have changed since Stompy Foot took over. But anyway, some of the rocks thrown at Border Patrol Agents can be from the size of softballs all the way up to the size of smallish watermelons. You don't think those constitute a deadly threat? Let someone hit you with just a baseball sized rock in your head and let us know how that works out for you.

 

[Supafly]

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/obama-plays-devils-advocate-himself?cid=sm_fb_maddow

Listen to the President answer to all questions asked by his critics eye to eye.

Learn.

 

[SabrinaDeep]

No no guys, you are right...Israel is the evil, surrounded by pacifists backed up by the peace Nobel prize Bambi. Giving the nukes to Iran was a necessary step to balance the notorious imperialist aims of evil Israel.
Bambi akbar!

 

[dreschi]

A while ago I read an article where the author wrote something like this: "I have a proposal for a peace plan for the middle east. I have gone to great lengths to work out all the details of the plan, and I will now post my proposal for said peace plan here in full length. So here is my plan: the muslim world accepts the existence of Israel." And that was the entire peace plan. It would have been funny if it weren't so tragic.

 

[xfire]

My alternative? Enforce the embargoes and sanctions that were in place for a reason. Negotiate for the release of the Americans held hostage there. Let them know if they do something really stupid we'll either back Israel's play or take care of business our damn selves. Monitor their support for of terrorist organizations and actually do something about it.

The sanctions and embargoes were on the way out whether or not this deal was made. The United States doesn't do enough business with Iran to make sanctions and embargoes solely by US work. I suppose the Republican super candidate could impose American Will on Iran through Magick, the power of the Christian GOD, and 'Merica, so maybe you're right, after all.

Stompy Foot et al just negotiated with the fucking people who supplied weapons, IEDs and ideology that cost many of my friends their lives and limbs. They didn't negotiate for America, the west, democracy, freedom or peace; they negotiated for Iran.

I don't think you understand that more American lives would be lost in a military conflict with Iran and that diplomacy is a better solution. The REAL reason so many Republicans are coming out against this deal is because Iran has 30 Million Barrels of Oil sitting in it's stockpiles waiting to be shipped with the potential to crank up their production and flood the market, which would drive the prices down and cut into the profits of the big oil companies that own the GOP.

 

[seeteufel1]

The sanctions and embargoes were on the way out whether or not this deal was made. The United States doesn't do enough business with Iran to make sanctions and embargoes solely by US work. I suppose the Republican super candidate could impose American Will on Iran through Magick, the power of the Christian GOD, and 'Merica, so maybe you're right, after all.



I don't think you understand that more American lives would be lost in a military conflict with Iran and that diplomacy is a better solution. The REAL reason so many Republicans are coming out against this deal is because Iran has 30 Million Barrels of Oil sitting in it's stockpiles waiting to be shipped with the potential to crank up their production and flood the market, which would drive the prices down and cut into the profits of the big oil companies that own the GOP.

Oh my God, I thought, this is a sex-site here.Why do you discuss politics?

 

[sean miguel]

How do you figure it's a false dichotomy when the facts support it? What this deal does is defer war with the hope that it can be avoided. The course of events as they were guaranteed war, this deal stops it for now, but we better be working our asses off going forward for a permanent peace and not squandering the opportunity to prevent a nuclear holocaust in that region. This deal certainly isn't the end of the peace process, but it gives all parties a chance to cool off and rethink their strategy going forward because the war that was certainly coming has at least been postponed. If you think the Obama administration is so naive that they don't understand this you should probably stop listening to the people that are telling you they are.

I was going to say ramp up the sanctions or just keep them as is. And if the sanctions were going to collapse anyways, what brought the Iranians to the negotiating table?

But I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter either way. Does anyone seriously believe Iran has peaceful purposes for their nuclear program? Barring a regime change (where's that Persian Spring?), the Iranians are going to do everything they can to become a nuclear power, sanctions, deal or not. And once nuclear-armed, is there any real doubt that they would use it against their enemies? Would ISIS? And we're dealing with the same ideology. I trust Kim Jong Un more than I do the Ayatollah. We're dealing with an end times true believer who has supreme rule in Iran.

So yes, it's a false dichotomy in that there are not two outcomes. War is going to be inevitable. And Obama is naive if he believes the Iranians are going to reciprocate his good will. That worked so well with Russia and his reset button.

 

[Straight Shooter]

I was going to say ramp up the sanctions or just keep them as is. And if the sanctions were going to collapse anyways, what brought the Iranians to the negotiating table?

The sanctions. That was the whole point of the sanctions, to get Iran to the negotiating table. Sanctions hit the Iranian working class and middle class. They don't affect the people who actually run the country. We need to stop comparing this deal to the perfect and instead compare it to the alternative. For me the perfect deal would be one where Iran completely abandons their nuclear program, stops all funding of terrorism, releases all American prisoners, stop human rights violations and abandon Sharia law and switches to a liberal democracy. But unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and we don't always get what we want. So instead of dreaming up fantasies I choose to focus on the reality, the hand that we've been dealt. So I say to you keep dreaming brother

 

[sean miguel]

The sanctions. That was the whole point of the sanctions, to get Iran to the negotiating table. Sanctions hit the Iranian working class and middle class. They don't affect the people who actually run the country.

The $11 Billion in unfrozen assets released to Iran (with no strings attached) - do you think that's going to the working class? That money is going to the mullahs which in turn is going Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis in Yemen among others in Iran's proxy wars.

What this deal does is give Iran cover while lifting sanctions to continue what it's doing. The verification in this deal is a farce when it comes to Iran's undeclared sites. Imagine police departments giving drug dealers 24 hour notice before they raided their den, nevermind 24 days. You think Iran is belligerent now, wait til that influx of cash comes in or better yet, that nuclear umbrella.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

The sanctions and embargoes were on the way out whether or not this deal was made. The United States doesn't do enough business with Iran to make sanctions and embargoes solely by US work. I suppose the Republican super candidate could impose American Will on Iran through Magick, the power of the Christian GOD, and 'Merica, so maybe you're right, after all.

I don't think you understand that more American lives would be lost in a military conflict with Iran and that diplomacy is a better solution. The REAL reason so many Republicans are coming out against this deal is because Iran has 30 Million Barrels of Oil sitting in it's stockpiles waiting to be shipped with the potential to crank up their production and flood the market, which would drive the prices down and cut into the profits of the big oil companies that own the GOP.

I understand full well exactly what that course of action entails. We should have fucking blasted that god forsaken country back in 1979 but Jimmy Carter was too big a pussy. Instead, they've had 36 years to ramp up their anti-western anti-America rhetoric. The leadership over there leads the cheer "Death to America" every fucking day, and probably not without reason; They knew the CIA was fucking around with them since after WWII and having the Shah trying to modernize that backward-assed shithole with American backing was probably really stupid as well.

Rolling over and putting our ass up for them to fuck is the worst diplomatic solution since Neville Chamberlain thought the Nazis were just misunderstood.

Sometimes violence is the answer.

 

[Straight Shooter]

I understand full well exactly what that course of action entails. We should have fucking blasted that god forsaken country back in 1979 but Jimmy Carter was too big a pussy. Instead, they've had 36 years to ramp up their anti-western anti-America rhetoric. The leadership over there leads the cheer "Death to America" every fucking day, and probably not without reason; They knew the CIA was fucking around with them since after WWII and having the Shah trying to modernize that backward-assed shithole with American backing was probably really stupid as well.

Rolling over and putting our ass up for them to fuck is the worst diplomatic solution since Neville Chamberlain thought the Nazis were just misunderstood.

Sometimes violence is the answer.

Your alternative: No deal. Iran's breakout time is 2-3 months, no IAEA inspectors, sanctions begin to crumble. International community would have no idea as to how far Iran is to the bomb

The current deal: Iran's breakout time is stretched to a 1 year. or more. 24/7 inspections by IAEA at known and suspected sites. Elimination of 98% of uranium stockpile.

In what world, is a breakout time of 2-3 months better than a breakout time of more than 1 year? I really need to hear this logic

 

[sean miguel]

And this this snap back sanctions provision if Iran doesn't comply (that can be verified) is a joke. If the sanctions were collapsing anyways what makes you think they would be reinstated?

 

[Straight Shooter]

And this this snap back sanctions provision if Iran doesn't comply (that can be verified) is a joke. If the sanctions were collapsing anyways what makes you think they would be reinstated?

With our current congress, U.S sanctions could easily be slapped back on

 

[xfire]

The REAL reason so many Republicans are coming out against this deal is because Iran has 30 Million Barrels of Oil sitting in it's stockpiles waiting to be shipped with the potential to crank up their production and flood the market, which would drive the prices down and cut into the profits of the big oil companies that own the GOP.

Just to repeat myself-

The REAL reason so many Republicans are coming out against this deal is because Iran has 30 Million Barrels of Oil sitting in it's stockpiles waiting to be shipped with the potential to crank up their production and flood the market, which would drive the prices down and cut into the profits of the big oil companies that own the GOP.

 

[Straight Shooter]

And this this snap back sanctions provision if Iran doesn't comply (that can be verified) is a joke. If the sanctions were collapsing anyways what makes you think they would be reinstated?

The lesson of Iraq in the 1990s is that sanctions erode over time. It's what will happen eventually with Russia. Sanctions are always shortlived because they are not costless for the imposing parties. Europe slaps sanctions on Russia but it ends up hurting them because they rely heavily on Russian gas.

 

[Straight Shooter]

And this this snap back sanctions provision if Iran doesn't comply (that can be verified) is a joke. If the sanctions were collapsing anyways what makes you think they would be reinstated?

Double post

 

[Mr. Daystar]

And they're right back at it.

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-leader-vows-opposition-u-despite-nuclear-deal-051938755.html

Ya know, I'm starting to wonder if we shouldn't just start taking care of these loud mouth assholes, with some good old fashioned, quick and quiet black ops head shots. I know another will step up....then put him down next.........lift, pull, push, lower, repeat.

The reality is, we went in trying to get them to be a little less dicky, and they nodded their heads, and begrudgingly agreed, and were lying through their teeth, and shit will continue on as it did before, and nothing will change...........until they launch that nuke, then it will all change, and it's be for fucking ever, and it isn't gonna be good.

 

[pool_hustler]

And they're right back at it.

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-leader-vows-opposition-u-despite-nuclear-deal-051938755.html

OK then. Let the Supreme Sack Of Shit reject it. I do believe his ilk's days are numbered. The Iranian youth of today are a very different breed than those that supported the '79 revolution.