In Alabama, you need a voter ID to vote. And blacks are gonna have a hard time getting one...

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
He went to live on a farm and spends his days smelling unicorn farts and playing in the rainbow pond with idiots like you who don't think national review is reputable. It's got a better rep than huffpost or dailykos, I assure you.
 
fyi, i joined 2 1/2 years before you :facepalm:



thanks for clearing that up pal

i guess being one of them "liberal intelligentsia" i'm not very good at seeing magical things
(that might not exist)

;)

good to see no -one providing any actual voter fraud stats though ...
Who would be keeping records of such things? Voter fraud doesn't originate at a polling place, it originates in meetings of unions, churches and partisan organizations. The first few times I voted, my natural instinct was to have my ID ready to present when all I had to give was a name I was flabbergasted.I immediately thought, that's it? If I have a different name I could vote again? Give a name, get a ballot. As long as it hasn't voted yet. Yeah, that is real hard to pull off by organized groups that have an interest in such things. It is damn near impossible to produce data of voter fraud without the cooperation of board of elections. So the old stand by is it isn't happening and don't force people to show identification because it is disenfranchisement. No asshole, voter ID stops the lifeblood of fraud in the Democrat party from occurring. People are wising up to Democrat lies and deception. Seeing it more and more each day. This president hasn't helped your cause any.
 
remind me what happened to billy batts?


(and any voter fraud stats from a reputable source would be nice too :D )



A comprehensive investigation of voter impersonation finds 31 credible incidents out of one billion ballots cast

Note: This is a guest post by Justin Levitt, a professor at the Loyola Law School, Los Angeles and an expert in constitutional law and the law of democracy, with a particular focus on election administration and redistricting.

Voter ID laws are back in the news once again, with two new opinions from the Wisconsin Supreme Court late last week dealing with the state's ID requirement, which would allow people to vote only if they provide certain forms of government-issued ID. The Court made some minor changes to the law but otherwise upheld it. However, the ID requirement is still on hold pending a federal lawsuit.

Part of this litigation — and any rational debate about the issue generally — hinges on two things: costs and benefits. The costs of these sorts of laws vary, because the laws themselves differ from state to state (some are far more burdensome than others). The ostensible benefits, though, are all the same. And in addressing these purported benefits, the Wisconsin Supreme Court blew it. Twice.

First, the court cited the idea that ID laws could enhance public confidence--that is, in theory, the laws might make us feel better about elections in that they might provide some security theater. It turns out, though, that this effect is hard to spot. People in states with more restrictive ID laws don’t generally feel better about their elections than people in more permissive states. People who think elections are being stolen, and people who think they’re not, each hold on to that opinion no matter what the governing ID rules in their area. The factor that really influences whether people think the elections are fair? Whether their preferred candidates win.

Second, the court said that ID laws can help stop fraud. It then cited an example of recent fraud … that ID laws aren’t designed to stop. Specifically, it mentioned a case in which a supporter of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker was charged with 13 counts of election fraud, including "registering to vote in more than one place, voting where he didn't live, voting more than once in the same election, and providing false information to election officials," according to an account by Talking Points Memo. Wisconsin's ID law would not likely have prevented any of the alleged violations.

This sort of misdirection is pretty common, actually. Election fraud happens. But ID laws are not aimed at the fraud you’ll actually hear about. Most current ID laws (Wisconsin is a rare exception) aren’t designed to stop fraud with absentee ballots (indeed, laws requiring ID at the polls push more people into the absentee system, where there are plenty of real dangers). Or vote buying. Or coercion. Or fake registration forms. Or voting from the wrong address. Or ballot box stuffing by officials in on the scam. In the 243-page document that Mississippi State Sen. Chris McDaniel filed on Monday with evidence of allegedly illegal votes in the Mississippi Republican primary, there were no allegations of the kind of fraud that ID can stop.

Instead, requirements to show ID at the polls are designed for pretty much one thing: people showing up at the polls pretending to be somebody else in order to each cast one incremental fake ballot. This is a slow, clunky way to steal an election. Which is why it rarely happens.

I’ve been tracking allegations of fraud for years now, including the fraud ID laws are designed to stop. In 2008, when the Supreme Court weighed in on voter ID, I looked at every single allegation put before the Court. And since then, I’ve been following reports wherever they crop up.

To be clear, I’m not just talking about prosecutions. I track any specific, credible allegation that someone may have pretended to be someone else at the polls, in any way that an ID law could fix.

So far, I’ve found about 31 different incidents (some of which involve multiple ballots) since 2000, anywhere in the country. If you want to check my work, you can read a comprehensive list of the incidents below.

To put this in perspective, the 31 incidents below come in the context of general, primary, special, and municipal elections from 2000 through 2014. In general and primary elections alone, more than 1 billion ballots were cast in that period.

Some of these 31 incidents have been thoroughly investigated (including some prosecutions). But many have not. Based on how other claims have turned out, I’d bet that some of the 31 will end up debunked: a problem with matching people from one big computer list to another, or a data entry error, or confusion between two different people with the same name, or someone signing in on the wrong line of a pollbook.

In just four states that have held just a few elections under the harshest ID laws, more than 3,000 votes (in general elections alone) have reportedly been affirmatively rejected for lack of ID. (That doesn’t include voters without ID who didn’t show up, or recordkeeping mistakes by officials.) Some of those 3,000 may have been fraudulent ballots. But how many legitimate voters have already been turned away?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...le-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/


31 incidents that would have been prevented by voter ID laws ou of a billion.
3,000 votes rejected for lack of ID.
I think we can say that voter ID laws create more problems than they solve.
 
More liberal statistics from someone who hasn't been presented with real data. Kinda like computer modeling on climate change. Just adding .edu to a source doesn't make it credible and in fact tends to make it more suspicious. Just like with the climate change hoax. In 1985 chicken littles were proclaiming disaster by 2005. If the forecasting were credible they would accurately forecast events weeks or months in advance not years. Nobody believes this BS anymore.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Retina scan? Wait....

I think I can simplify the process. Just bring your pay stub from your job, and show it to the people staffing the polling places, and then you can vote. Simple, you pay taxes, you have the right to vote. If you're on disability, or retired and on SS, just bring that. Welfare, or SNAP cards are not valid. Since many of the race baiting fucktard pieces of trash on this board like to scream racism every time it's suggested that proof of the right to vote is brought up, and it's also pointed out to everyone that more whites are on welfare, I can't see how this would be racism.
 
I think I can simplify the process. Just bring your pay stub from your job, and show it to the people staffing the polling places, and then you can vote. Simple, you pay taxes, you have the right to vote. If you're on disability, or retired and on SS, just bring that. Welfare, or SNAP cards are not valid. Since many of the race baiting fucktard pieces of trash on this board like to scream racism every time it's suggested that proof of the right to vote is brought up, and it's also pointed out to everyone that more whites are on welfare, I can't see how this would be racism.


All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Fourteenth Amendment ot the US Consitution, ; Section 1
 

SabrinaDeep

Official Checked Star Member
You need ID to vote in France, including Versailles...and in Germany and in Italy and in Spain and in the Netherlands...and...and...and...i call racism against white people...
If you are legal they give you an ID. If you are illegal you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Never heard of a law which refuses ID to black people in Alabama. If white people have ID black people can get one too. If they don't want one for different reasons, though...well...you get the picture...
 

SabrinaDeep

Official Checked Star Member
...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law


plus

In 2011, Alabama lawmakers approved the state's voter ID law, making it illegal to vote in Alabama without a government-issued photo ID.

equals

according to the law you need an ID in order to vote in Alabama, no matter your "race". I see no faults.
 
in alabama 1 year after passing new voter id law they are closing nearly every single DMV office in those counties which have a majority black population (in alabama's so called "black belt")

so people need to drive to a different county to get id (but basically only if they live in a black county)


and when you think its GOP politicians making these changes, and most african americans have voted, and continue to vote, democrat for last 40-50 years

then you can see these changes are being made for political and/or racist reasons




also, just for info you don't need any id to vote in uk - just go to polling station, give your name, address and then you can vote
 
There is only one reason for the objections to peoperly identifying voters and anyone paying attention knows what the reason is. Liberals: lips moving, lies coming out.
 

xfire

New Twitter/X @cxffreeman
I'm not totally against requiring ID to vote, but if it's going to be required there shouldn't be any hassles, red tape, long lines or fees involved in procuring proper identification. I'm not really sure what the objections are, but drives to register people to vote that include being able to get the proper ID all in one stop could increase turnout. It's pretty hard to function in every day society without some sort of picture ID, I don't use mine very often but there are some things you can't do without it, like opening a bank account, applying for a job, driving, getting a hunting or fishing license, checking into a hotel, getting a marriage license (heaven forbid), getting into a casino, picking up a prescription, etc., etc. Anybody have any legitimate objections?
 
I think the legitimate objection is in passing this law and then closing down licensing centers in predominantly democratic counties, where it's known that many of the people are of limited means and would have difficulties getting an id. Scott Walker proposed a similar thing in Wisconsin - basically, require photo id and then close a bunch of DMVs down - but even he didn't have the balls to go through with it. Republicans may be crazy, but they know that they can't win elections without gerrymandering and voter suppression.
 
You need ID to vote in France, including Versailles...and in Germany and in Italy and in Spain and in the Netherlands...and...and...and...i call racism against white people...
If you are legal they give you an ID. If you are illegal you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Never heard of a law which refuses ID to black people in Alabama. If white people have ID black people can get one too. If they don't want one for different reasons, though...well...you get the picture...
I don't know how it works in Italy or Germany but in France, the government provides a free photo ID to every citizen when they reach 18.

You never heard aout a law that would deny a photo ID to black people because such a law would be blantantly unconstitutional. But these guys are clever, they won't deny photo Id to blacks but they've just made it very difficult for blacks to get a photo ID.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
In the state of Ohio, when I go to vote, they ask for an ID. They also send out a early voter mail package. I have never, nor would I vote by mail, so I don't know if you need to include a photo, of your photo ID. What I do know is, they no longer send checks out for disability, or Social Security if you're retired, you have to have a bank account, for direct deposit. I'm not sure if welfare works like that, but I do know to open a bank account, you need a photo ID, and to cash a check in just about EVERY place that cashes checks, they want to see ID....so why is it a big deal to be required to show ID to vote. People will go to great lengths to get that ID for a check, but can't get it to vote? When I would take my Aunt to her annual face to face meeting for her SSI and other assistance she received, they asked to see her photo ID. Seems to me, the only reason anyone would have an issue with showing an ID, is because they are either ineligible to vote, or are trying to vote more then once.

If a person can go to the ends of the earth to get a check, they can do it to exercise their right to vote. I also think voter fraud should be punishable by 10 years in prison, doing hard labor....we still need gravel, and those rocks aren't going to break themselves.
 
The left-wing totalitarian statists don't want voter ID and we all know why. But if our southern border was flooding America with Swedes that leaned conservative they would be screaming for it.
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
I don't see what the big deal is; Uncle Obie wants to issue free gubment ID's to illegal aliens, how much more difficult would it be to issue the same to the poor, downtrodden masses?
 
The left-wing totalitarian statists don't want voter ID and we all know why. But if our southern border was flooding America with Swedes that leaned conservative they would be screaming for it.
The right-wing totalitarian statists want voter ID and we all know why. But if our southern border was flooding America with Swedes that leaned conservative they would be screaming against it.
 
Unplug your computer and step away from the internet. You are posing a danger to brain cells everywhere.
 
Unplug your computer and step away from the internet. You are posing a danger to brain cells everywhere.
Relax, if only brain cells are in danger, you have nothing to fear...
 
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