Illegal to legal bill to be pushed in 2010
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Ever hear of proaction ?
But what about the environmental impact re fucking port for all of these excess people?
Don't worry ! The "o" man & comrades will take good care of u.s.
jasonk282
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Ever hear of proaction ?
But what about the environmental impact re fucking port ?
Don't worry you "sick twisted freaks" ! The "o" man & comrades will take good care of u.s.
whatever happened to the transparence her was talking about?
Ever hear of proaction ?
But what about the environmental impact re fucking port ?
Don't worry ! The "o" man & comrades will take good care of u.s.
I just wonder how some can be opposed to something before they know the full implications of a proposal.
These people are here already....it's not like any legislation changing their "legal" status is going to magically import them here. There may be give and take in some proposed legislation that makes granting legal status to people who are already here a net plus.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I caught part of a report yesterday that talked about the recent G20 meeting. Of the 20 participants, guess which one didn't have a "buy domestic" provision in its trade policies?
Right here, my man. :wave: The good ol' United Suckers of America. In our mad zeal to promote global, free trade, we somehow forgot to insert the word "fair." But neither the Democrats nor the Republicans seemed to be too worried about that in the 90's. When NAFTA was signed, they tossed a bone to big labor, so that displaced American workers could be retrained. Ya know, one day you're a machinist making $40/hour. The next day, you're inputting medical records for $7/hour. And to make up for your lost income, Walmart will import all the cheap, Chinese made, plastic shit that you'll ever need. You won't even miss that lost $33/hour! And if things get real tough and you need to buy a car or some big ticket item, we'll make it easier for you to use your house as an ATM machine. Rinse and repeat.
I've always thought of myself as a person who believed in free trade around the globe. But since our trading partners want us to abide by one set of rules (that we all agreed to) and then they're going to do their own thing, a trade war might have been in order about 15 years ago. But now, since we're so far in hock to the Chinese and Japanese, we can't say too much. And for this trainwreck, I'd like to thank the Democrats, Republicans and last, but not least, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce (the California Chamber too). :thefinger
And on this illegal immigration question, I agree with you. I don't think that a person should be able to come here (from whatever country), squat down and drop a baby and that baby is automatically considered to be an American citizen. If the parents are here illegally, then I don't think we should consider that child a U.S. citizen, with all of the benefits of citizenship. But I doubt anyone (Democrat or Republican) is going to tackle that one at the national level.
But as for what we're going to do about illegal immigration now... :dunno: But the first thing I would do is make it such a financial penalty for a business hiring illegals that they'd wish they'd never gotten a business license. You set some asses on fire and I guarantee that these businesses would stop pulling this shit. And if it can be proven that this is a routine business practice, make it a felony with about 5 years of mandatory jail time. Let a few plant managers and HR managers have to do the ol' perp walk on their way to Club Fed and I guarantee these people will have a harder time finding employment. Let a few contractors lose their business licenses and it'll damn sure slow down. Let the CEO's of ConAgra or Smithfield Foods get led before the media in cuffs... you get the picture. And the people who manufacture these fake I.D.'s, empty the potheads out of the jails and make some room for these jokers. But we just haven't gotten totally serious about this issue.
This is going on, and has gone on, because there has been almost no effort on the part of either party to (seriously) put a stop to it. Both have benefited. Both have played nice with the illegal question to add to their bases. But my gosh, enough is enough! And it's not about Mexicans or others of Hispanic origin. It comes down to the simple fact that we have NO IDEA who is in our country. :helpme:
Thats sounds good but it misses the point that the value of a product is based on the (legal) market economy. What that means is that a company that hires cheap illegals still charges the same amount for their products as the ones that pay their people higher mandated wages. That's precisely why they do it, because it maximizes profit.
As you say correctly, a company is not going to lower their prices because they have lower production costs. If they have to pay their workers more money, then they will raise the costs to consumers of their products. People get paid more, but things cost more, so their market value is the same as it was before. The word for that is inflation.
Really illegal workers are good for everyone, except for unskilled Americans that want to be paid more than their standard of living (compared to Mexicans with the same skill level).
That also has to do with market. Americans are overpaid and overcharged, because of the dumb way that they run economics. $4 an hour in America won't buy you a parking space, but that's not too bad in Mexico.
I don't think we need to worry about this - the death squads will take care of them once they're citizens.
Facetious
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Glenn Beck in a letter to his fans?
Nope.:dunno: Please reappraise.
Now, now :nono:
You're not following directions as prescribed like a good drone !
"True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties....
Naughty Naughty :nono:
You got most of it down but no flauntin' your ideology ya hear !
Just think "clandestine" . . . "surreptitious" :1orglaugh
Facetious
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What Rey typed ^^^^:hatsoff:
There's so much "change" and transmogrification going on, all simultaneously cleverly enough, that it's plain to see that there's nothing that can be done to stop "it", we're essentially paralyzed.
:thefinger "NATIVISTS" :thefinger
:crash: :updown:
There's so much "change" and transmogrification going on, all simultaneously cleverly enough, that it's plain to see that there's nothing that can be done to stop "it", we're essentially paralyzed.
:thefinger "NATIVISTS" :thefinger
:crash: :updown:
Facetious
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Because the wall street investment bankers of both political party affiliations have found crafty ways to use these people for personal monetary gain (cheap labor forces) while forcing the taxpayers to pick up the tab for their subsidies.
The democrats simply want to use these "illegals" so that no republican can win an election again. Cowardice fools like george bush kissed ass 'cause he didn't want to become persona non grata in his own state ! ...wuss
I'm for balance & gridlock ! :thumbsup:
Send them back to their 12th wealthiest in the world home country of Mexico and 'learn em how to appeal to their own filthy rich despotic govt ! Why the hell should another countries excesses be MY responsibility ! :dunno:
ulterior motives maybe ?
If we just legalize anybody that is illegal, why even have immigration laws in the first place? If we just let people violate them because it's convenient it just makes a mockery of the whole system. There are extremely good reasons we don't just let anybody come over here and stay that wants to, and as bad as some other places in the world are I don't want to sacrifice the people in this country because others don't feel the need to follow the rules we set up. I have a duty to American citizens I don't have to other people. In any case they absolutely shouldn't be rewarded for doing what they should have never done. That would be like not only letting a thief get away without going to jail, but letting them keep what they stole also.
I also never bought the "we need cheap labor" argument. It goes against the idea of human dignity. It's also more or less why the South didn't want to give up slavery when it had it. No matter how much of an economic advantage it might be it doesn't somehow transform something that's wrong into something that's right. Besides our economy survived not having slavery to run a large portion of it before. It will survive not have virtual slave labor now.
I also never bought the "we need cheap labor" argument. It goes against the idea of human dignity. It's also more or less why the South didn't want to give up slavery when it had it. No matter how much of an economic advantage it might be it doesn't somehow transform something that's wrong into something that's right. Besides our economy survived not having slavery to run a large portion of it before. It will survive not have virtual slave labor now.
Give the guys trying to cross the border a job at the border.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
a broad bill to legalize illegal immigrants. :nono:
Operation Wetback
That is what we need. :hatsoff:
Operation Wetback
That is what we need. :hatsoff:
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