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Trump Administration : Detaining kids without blankets, soaps or toothbrushes is fine

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Then why did 6 of these kids died ?
Why did a 16 years old teenagers died after being diagnosed with the flu ?
Why did he died in one of these facilities ?
If his condition was serious, why was he not trasported to an hospital where he could have received the care he needed ?

That's not true and you know it.
The Trump administration is currently in trial for refusing to comply with a 2017 ruling seeking to remedy those deplorable conditions.

But the truth is the Trump administration doesn't want migrants to be detained in "humane" conditions.
They want the medias to spread the word that migrants are detained in horiible conditions. They want migrants to know that if they try to enter America, they could end spending weeks in a over-crowded facility, sleeping (or trying to) on the concrete floor with aluminum-foil blanket and the light on.
They want migrants to fear that if they try to come, they or their kids may die. And for that, they need actual deathes to happen in these facilities.
What AOC told about these facilities is 100% true. But, secretely, the Trump administration love that she said it. They are glad that some migrants would hear that they could en up in nazi-like concentration camps, even if that's not what she meant.

In most instances it is pre-existing conditions exacerbated by a rigorous march along the length of Mexico, which has an even worse record of caring for illegal immigrants btw. Or it's people who become too weak to fight off infection due to substandard/third world sanitation. Most times, they're too far gone to assist more than just making them comfortable. USBP Agents are trained in basic first aid, cpr and as first responders. We learned signs of hypothermia, heat exhaustion and illnesses in order to provide basic emergency care until they can be transported to a hospital.

And again, none of the children were being detained in a USBP facility. They were under the care of Health and Human Services.

There's a solution guaranteed to keep children from dying at the border: DON"T BRING THEM ON A DEADLY JOURNEY ACROSS CENTRAL AMERICA.
 

ChuckFaze

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Then why did 6 of these kids died ?
Why did a 16 years old teenagers died after being diagnosed with the flu ?
Why did he died in one of these facilities ?
If his condition was serious, why was he not trasported to an hospital where he could have received the care he needed ?
People die. People die from the flu. You think people don't die in hospitals ever?

Here's the deal:
Let's compare wayyy yesteryear to current day. Way back BEFORE the current NATIONAL EMERGENCY of migrant invaders, Border Patrol Centers were that ... Border Patrol Centers --- NOT Migrant Detention Centers with an attached hospital, a cafeteria, dormitories, lawyers, etc. for a fucking gazillion invading, uninvited, unprepared, foolish and SICK migrants as Democrats would now want those places to be. Mathematically, you cram that YUGGGGGE amount of migrants into places that neither the place nor the personnel were meant for that purpose or that amount of people ... shit is gonna happen. You're gonna have a nightmare. People are going to get very sick and some are going to die.

You migrant enablers / defenders make it sound like the ONLY place and situation in which people die is in Border Patrol custody. :facepalm:
 

Ace Boobtoucher

Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
People die. People die from the flu. You think people don't die in hospitals ever?



You Migrant enablers / defenders make it sound like the ONLY place and situation in which people die is in Border Patrol custody. :facepalm:

Fantastic response but these people aren't dying in USBP custody. They're almost always in HHS custody when it happens.
 

ChuckFaze

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In most instances it is pre-existing conditions exacerbated by a rigorous march along the length of Mexico, which has an even worse record of caring for illegal immigrants btw. Or it's people who become too weak to fight off infection due to substandard/third world sanitation. Most times, they're too far gone to assist more than just making them comfortable. USBP Agents are trained in basic first aid, cpr and as first responders. We learned signs of hypothermia, heat exhaustion and illnesses in order to provide basic emergency care until they can be transported to a hospital.

And again, none of the children were being detained in a USBP facility. They were under the care of Health and Human Services.

There's a solution guaranteed to keep children from dying at the border: DON"T BRING THEM ON A DEADLY JOURNEY ACROSS CENTRAL AMERICA.
EXACTLY! Thank you, Ace! Right in the bullseye.

I keep seeing videos everyday on Univisión of those migrant adults subjecting the children (theirs or rented) to dangerous bullshit that if USA citizens would do that, CPS would take their children away and send the adults to jail or prison for child abuse. The adults will be there dragging the children by one hand in a very precarious manner across the deep treacherous waters of the fast moving Rio Grande as the children are crying from extreme fear. The children will alternate between sometimes being held above the water ... and other times dragged IN the water.
 

ChuckFaze

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Fantastic response but these people aren't dying in USBP custody. They're almost always in HHS custody when it happens.
It's good you point that out because that even drills in more just how the Democrats twist the situation to suite their agenda. Here in the El Paso area, be it the English TV stations or even Univisión as well as ALL of the Democrat defenders of migrants ... especially those 2 cunts Veronica Escobar and O'Rourke and those other shitholes Francisco García the leader of that Border Network of Human Rights (Border Network of Law Breaking Enabling) and the Director of that Annunciation House --- they LOVE to describe it as them being in "Border Patrol custody." I have never heard them say in "HHS custody." Saying "Border Patrol custody" suites their agenda better.
 

ChuckFaze

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ICE has nothing to do with the detention of illegal aliens apprehended at the border. Their task is to capture dangerous aliens already in the US. They have absolutely NOTHING to do with those deaths. Those occurred while they were in HHS custody. And your assertion that they don't even try to provide care for anyone is laughable. There are teams of medical personnel at every detention center and processing center diagnosing and providing care for those people.
The way I see it is --- if the migrants or ANYONE for that matter is going to embark on a journey and life-changing move of this gigantic magnitude, you'd better have accounted for "blankets, soap, toothbrushes, etc." in your plan. Otherwise you're gonna find yourself in a world of shit very quickly.

The migrants are embarking on an equivalent of a climb of Mt. Everest. Those who embark on a Mt. Everest climb while ill-prepared are gonna find themselves in a world of shit very quickly or dead. And that's where the ill-prepared migrants are finding themselves on their journey to the USA. Why should it be the USA government's responsibility to provide all this stuff for them? Just because the coyotes told them that's what would happen? I don't think so. The migrants should not leave it up to chance that as per rumors and the word on the grapevine is that all those "essentials" WILL magically be provided somehow upon reaching the USA border. That is too much assumption.

As to the migrants now recently dying while daring to cross the Rio Grande or the canals? That's a derivative of Clint Eastwood's "The question you have to ask yourself is --- Do I feel lucky? Well DO YOU?!!" The migrants are taking that gamble and some are unfortunately losing. That is on them. No one else.
 

ChuckFaze

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ICE has nothing to do with the detention of illegal aliens apprehended at the border. Their task is to capture dangerous aliens already in the US. They have absolutely NOTHING to do with those deaths. Those occurred while they were in HHS custody. And your assertion that they don't even try to provide care for anyone is laughable. There are teams of medical personnel at every detention center and processing center diagnosing and providing care for those people.
I just saw on the local News --- as I type this, there is a protest going on in Clint, TX in front of the Border Patrol Center there. The usual suspects, the usual shitholes now wanting that Border Patrol Center to be CLOSED because of the supposed unhygienic conditions, blah blah blah.

This is very interesting. A couple of days ago when the shit first hit the fan, 300 children were removed from there and taken elsewhere supposedly because of "appalling" conditions. Yes, "appalling." Yet the very next day 100 children were RETURNED! Hmmmmm. Very interesting. Why why WHY would so much as ONE child have been returned if the conditions were really "appalling?" Must have not been very appalling after all. No doubt just Democrats' exaggeration.

From what I'm extracting, really the only reason more of those children weren't returned is because really it is said that only 106 fit there. Right now they have I believe 117. So, it sounds like it was a case of FAKE "appalling" conditions. Just Democrats wanting to maintain their constant bitching.
 
Ocasio-Cortez Claims Border Police Are Forcing Women to Drink From Toilets After Trip to CBP Facility


Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) claims she saw detained migrants living in horrendous conditions during her visit to a U.S. Border Patrol facility in El Paso, TX.

“Just left the 1st CBP facility. I see why CBP officers were being so physically & sexually threatening towards me,” Ocasio-Cortez told her Twitter followers. “Officers were keeping women in cells w/ no water & had told them to drink out of the toilets. This was them on their GOOD behavior in front of members of Congress.”
Ocasio-Cortez went on to make more accusations about the conditions migrants at the border are forced to live with.


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
After I forced myself into a cell w/ women&began speaking to them, one of them described their treatment at the hands of officers as “psychological warfare” - waking them at odd hours for no reason, calling them wh*res, etc.
Tell me what about that is due to a “lack of funding?”



Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

@AOC
Now I’m on my way to Clint, where the Trump admin was denying children toothpaste and soap.
This has been horrifying so far. It is hard to understate the enormity of the problem. We’re talking systemic cruelty w/ a dehumanizing culture that treats them like animals.


Rep. Judy Chu (D-CA), who also toured the facility with Ocasio-Cortez, corroborated her colleague’s claim.


Judy Chu
@RepJudyChu
"If you want water, just drink from a toilet." That's what border patrol told one thirsty woman we met on today's #DemsAtTheBorder trip. These are the same CBP personnel who threatened to throw burritos at members of Congress. Changes must be made.
#DontLookAway



UPDATE : Ocasio-Cortez went into some detail after a reporter questioned the account:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
‏@AOC
This was in fact the type of toilet we saw in the cell.
Except there was just one, and the sink portion was not functioning - @AyannaPressley smartly tried to open the faucet, and nothing came out.
So the women were told they could drink out of the bowl.
D-atoxBXsAAPvWN
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/o...rink-from-toilets-after-trip-to-cbp-facility/

#ConcentrationCamps
 
Inside the Secret Border Patrol Facebook Group Where Agents Joke About Migrant Deaths and Post Sexist Memes


The three-year-old group, which has roughly 9,500 members, shared derogatory comments about Latina lawmakers who plan to visit a controversial Texas detention facility on Monday, calling them “scum buckets” and “hoes.”

Members of a secret Facebook group for current and former Border Patrol agents joked about the deaths of migrants, discussed throwing burritos at Latino members of Congress visiting a detention facility in Texas on Monday and posted a vulgar illustration depicting Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez engaged in oral sex with a detained migrant, according to screenshots of their postings.

In one exchange, group members responded with indifference and wisecracks to the post of a news story about a 16-year-old Guatemalan migrant who died in May while in custody at a Border Patrol station in Weslaco, Texas. One member posted a GIF of Elmo with the quote, “Oh well.” Another responded with an image and the words “If he dies, he dies.”

Created in August 2016, the Facebook group is called “I’m 10-15” and boasts roughly 9,500 members from across the country. (10-15 is Border Patrol code for “aliens in custody.”) The group described itself, in an online introduction, as a forum for “funny” and “serious” discussion about work with the patrol. “Remember you are never alone in this family,” the introduction said.
Responsible for policing the nation’s southern and northern boundaries, the Border Patrol has come under intense scrutiny as the Trump administration takes new, more aggressive measures to halt the influx of undocumented migrants across the United States-Mexico border. The patrol’s approximately 20,000 agents serve under the broader U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency, which has been faulted for allegedly mistreating children and adults in its custody. The agency’s leadership has been in turmoil, with its most recent acting chief, John Sanders, resigning last week.

ProPublica received images of several recent discussions in the 10-15 Facebook group and was able to link the participants in those online conversations to apparently legitimate Facebook profiles belonging to Border Patrol agents, including a supervisor based in El Paso, Texas, and an agent in Eagle Pass, Texas. ProPublica has so far been unable to reach the group members who made the postings.

ProPublica contacted three spokespeople for CBP in regard to the Facebook group and provided the names of three agents who appear to have participated in the online chats. CBP hasn’t yet responded.
“These comments and memes are extremely troubling,” said Daniel Martinez, a sociologist at the University of Arizona in Tucson who studies the border. “They’re clearly xenophobic and sexist.”
The postings, in his view, reflect what “seems to be a pervasive culture of cruelty aimed at immigrants within CBP. This isn’t just a few rogue agents or ‘bad apples.’”


The Border Patrol Facebook group is the most recent example of some law enforcement personnel behaving badly in public and private digital spaces. An investigation by Reveal uncovered hundreds of active-duty and retired law enforcement officers who moved in extremist Facebook circles, including white supremacist and anti-government groups. A team of researchers calling themselves the Plain View Project recently released a hefty database of offensive Facebook posts made by current and ex-law enforcement officers.
And in early 2018, federal investigators found a raft of disturbing and racist text messages sent by Border Patrol agents in southern Arizona after searching the phone of Matthew Bowen, an agent charged with running down a Guatemalan migrant with a Ford F-150 pickup truck. The texts, which were revealed in a court filing in federal court in Tucson, described migrants as “guats,” “wild ass shitbags,” “******s” and “subhuman.” The messages included repeated discussions about burning the migrants up.

Several of the postings reviewed by ProPublica refer to the planned visit by members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, including Ocasio-Cortez and Rep. Veronica Escobar, to a troubled Border Patrol facility outside of El Paso. Agents at the compound in Clint, Texas, have been accused of holding children in neglectful, inhumane conditions.
Members of the Border Patrol Facebook group were not enthused about the tour, noting that Ocasio-Cortez, a Democrat from Queens, had compared Border Patrol facilities to Nazi concentration camps. Escobar is a freshman Democrat representing El Paso.
One member encouraged Border Patrol agents to hurl a “burrito at these bitches.” Another, apparently a patrol supervisor, wrote, “Fuck the hoes.” “There should be no photo ops for these scum buckets,” posted a third member.
https://assets.propublica.org/image...der-patrol-facebook-escobar-ocasio-cortez.jpg
Perhaps the most disturbing posts target Ocasio-Cortez. One includes a photo illustration of her engaged in oral sex at an immigrant detention center. Text accompanying the image reads, “Lucky Illegal Immigrant Glory Hole Special Starring AOC.”
Another is a photo illustration of a smiling President Donald Trump forcing Ocasio-Cortez’s head toward his crotch. The agent who posted the image commented: “That’s right bitches. The masses have spoken and today democracy won.”
https://assets.propublica.org/image...190701-border-patrol-facebook-aoc-hands-c.jpg

The posts about Escobar and Ocasio-Cortez are “vile and sexist,” said a staffer for Escobar. “Furthermore, the comments made by Border Patrol agents towards immigrants, especially those that have lost their lives, are disgusting and show a complete disregard for human life and dignity.”

The head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, Joaquin Castro, reviewed the Facebook discussions and was incensed. “It confirms some of the worst criticisms of Customs and Border Protection,” said Castro, a Democrat who represents San Antonio. “These are clearly agents who are desensitized to the point of being dangerous to migrants and their co-workers.” He added that the agents who made the vulgar comments “don’t deserve to wear any uniform representing the United States of America.”

Vicki Gaubeca, director of the Southern Border Communities Coalition, said the postings are more evidence of the sexism and misogyny that has long plagued the Border Patrol. “That’s why they’re the worst at recruiting women,” said Gaubeca, whose group works to reform the agency. “They have the lowest percentage of female agents or officers of any federal law enforcement agency.”

In another thread, a group member posted a photo of father and his 23-month-old daughter lying face down in the Rio Grande. The pair drowned while trying to ford the river and cross into the U.S.; pictures of the two have circulated widely online in recent days, generating an outcry.
The member asked if the photo could have been faked because the bodies were so “clean.” (The picture was taken by an Associated Press photographer, and there is no indication that it was staged or manipulated.) “I HAVE NEVER SEEN FLOATERS LIKE THIS,” the person wrote, adding, “could this be another edited photo. We’ve all seen the dems and liberal parties do some pretty sick things…”
https://assets.propublica.org/image...0w/20190701-border-patrol-facebook-bodies.jpg
https://www.propublica.org/article/...s-joke-about-migrant-deaths-post-sexist-memes
 
"Ticking Time Bomb": DHS Inspector General Slams 'Dangerous Overcrowding' in Detention Facilities


The Department of Homeland Security's acting inspector general is warning acting DHS Secretary Kevin McAleenan that "immediate" action is needed to address squalid conditions in migrant detention centers along the U.S.-Mexico border.
"Urgent issues... require immediate attention and action," acting Inspector General Jennifer Costello writes. "Specifically, we encourage the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to take immediate steps to alleviate dangerous overcrowding and prolonged detention of children and adults in the Rio Grande Valley."

Previous inspector general memos and reporting from news organizations have documented unsanitary and often unsafe conditions inside detention centers operated by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), which handles immigration enforcement at the nation's borders, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), which has custody of migrants after they're processed by CBP.
CBP facilities have been plagued by overcrowding and poor resource management, leading to outbreaks of communicable disease and allegations that the agency is under-nourishing detainees.

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Costello writes that, during inspections of five separate Border Patrol facilities, department inspectors "observed serious overcrowding and prolonged detention of unaccompanied alien children (UACs), families, and single adults that require immediate attention."
Federal law requires unaccompanied migrant children to be screened by CBP within a 72-hour timeframe, but the inspector general's report found that 31 percent of the children in facilities it visited were being held for a longer period of time.
"At one facility, some single adults were held in standing room only conditions for a week and at another, some single adults were held more than a month in overcrowded cells," the report assessed. "We are concerned that overcrowding and prolonged detention represent an immediate risk to the health and safety of DHS agents and officers, and to those detained."
One senior manager described the situation to the inspector general as "a ticking time bomb."

Tuesday's report follows a series of visits from Democratic members of Congress to a Border Patrol facility in Clint, Texas. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who visited the complex, claimed that officers had told female migrants to "drink out of the toilets" if they were thirsty.

When DHS inspectors were visiting one site, they had to make an early departure "because our presence was agitating an already difficult situation," according to the report.
"When detainees observed us, they banged on the cell windows, shouted, pressed notes to the window with their time in custody, and gestured to evidence of their time in custody," Costello wrote.

The report outlined several ways in which some CBP facilities have "struggled to meet" the agency's own standards for migrant detention, including no access to showers and standing-room-only detention for a week's time.

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Over the objection of progressive Democrats in Congress, an additional $4.6 billion was approved to address the strained resources at the southern border. Some Democrats scoffed at the lack of controls over how the Trump administration could spend the money, leading to concerns it could be used for purposes other than alleviating overcrowding in detention facilities.

"DHS must transfer single adults to ICE custody as quickly as possible," the inspector general emphasized. "Within DHS, long-term detention is ICE's responsibility."

This supports previous Newsweek reporting which revealed the full urgency of the humanitarian crisis at the southern border: the number of migrants in CBP custody was growing at a rate of 1,000 per week. DHS has engaged the military to construct tent cities at six sites along the border to facilitate the transfer of single, adult migrants from CBP to ICE custody.

As the inspector general's report noted, in the first eight months of fiscal year 2018, a little under 100,000 were apprehended by Border Patrol in the Rio Grande Valley. In the same time period of fiscal year 2019, that number swelled to nearly a quarter-million, a 124 percent increase. The proportion of migrants arriving as family units has surged above every other category, increasing by 269 percent year-over-year.

Despite the department's awareness of the scale of the challenge it faces, the report said the inspector general remains concerned "that DHS is not taking sufficient measures to address prolonged detention in CBP custody among single adults."
https://www.newsweek.com/migrant-de...crowding-dhs-report-inspector-general-1447221

#ConcentrationCamps
 
A US-born citizen who was in immigration detention for three weeks has been released


US immigration officials defended the detention of a high school student born in the US who was held behind bars for three weeks, saying Wednesday the teen provided conflicting reports regarding his citizenship status.
Francisco Galicia, 18, was released Tuesday after word spread about the case following a report by the Dallas Morning News on Monday. Immigrant rights advocates pointed to the case as a sign that US immigration authorities are going too far as they crack down on illegal immigration.
"This individual provided conflicting reports regarding status of citizenship after being apprehended by U.S. Border Patrol and transferred into Immigration and Customs Enforcement Custody," US Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a joint statement Wednesday.

Claudia Galan, an attorney representing Galicia, said border patrol officers held onto the teen's identity documents after his release and she's not sure why.
The CBP and ICE statement appeared to indicate they are still "researching the facts" of the case.
"Situations including conflicting reports from the individual and multiple birth certificates can, and should, take more time to verify. While we continue to research the facts of the situation, the individual has been released from ICE custody. Both CBP and ICE are committed to the fair treatment of migrants in our custody and continue to take appropriate steps to verify all facts of this situation," the statement said.


How the incident unfolded
It all started when Galicia was on his way to a college soccer scouting event on June 27.
He was traveling with his 17-year-old brother Marlon and a group of friends from their hometown of Edinburg to Houston when they came upon a CBP checkpoint in Falfurrias, about 100 miles north of the US-Mexico border.

Both brothers were detained, and Marlon, who does not have legal status in the US, was returned to Mexico, Galan said.
Galicia had his Texas state identification, a wallet-sized birth certificate and his social security card, Galan said.
He also had a Mexican tourist visa with him that inaccurately lists his country of birth as Mexico, setting up a conflicting nationality claim, Galan said.
Nevertheless, "despite his tourist visa, he was born here in the US and he's a natural born US Citizen," she said.
It's not unusual for immigration officials to scrutinize citizenship claims, said Cesar Garcia Hernandez, an associate professor of law at the University of Denver who is not affiliated with the case. The Mexican tourist visa may have caused officials to be skeptical of the legitimacy of his identification documents, including his birth certificate.

But Galicia's case should have been easy to resolve by confirming his citizenship, Galan said. That he was detained for this long shows that Homeland Security is "overwhelmed" to the point of being unable to give each case the attention it needs, she said.


What his identity documents said
Galicia's mother obtained a Mexican tourist visa for him so he could visit family in Mexico, the lawyer explained. Because she lives in the United States illegally, she did not want her real name on Galicia's birth certificate, so she used a false name for herself, Galan said.
"And because of that she was not able to get him a passport. She never corrected his birth certificate and just thought it was easier to get him a tourist visa so he could get in and out of the country," Galan explained.
But when his mother applied for his tourist visa, she listed him as being born in Mexico. "And that brings a conflicting claim on his US citizenship," Galan said.
However, Galan said she presented CBP with documentation proving Francisco's citizenship about two weeks ago. The documents, which she shared with CNN, include a birth certificate that lists Galicia's place of birth as Parkland Memorial hospital in Dallas; a health insurance card; a Texas Temporary Identification Card and high school photo identification. CNN cannot independently verify their authenticity.

Despite providing the documentation, Galan said Galicia was transferred on Saturday to ICE custody for removal proceedings. He was held in the South Texas Detention Complex in Pearsall until his release on Tuesday.


No apology from authorities

Galan told CNN Tuesday night that although her client had been released, ICE and Border Patrol representatives had not acknowledged that Galicia's detainment should never have happened.
The attorney told CNN that Galicia was happy to be out of detention but suffered through the "worst condition" while in the custody of Border Patrol.
According to Galan, Galicia said he was held in a small room with about 60 other people, only one toilet and no doors or wall. She says her client was hungry all the time and would sleep just to forget about his hunger.
Galan said that the teen lost a lot of weight while in Border Patrol custody, but that conditions were a little better when he was transferred to an ICE facility.

Galicia isn't the only US citizen who's been detained by US immigration authorities.
In December, the ACLU and Southern Poverty Law Center filed a lawsuit over the detention of Peter Sean Brown, a US citizen who was born in Philadelphia and ended up in ICE detention in Florida.
Jilmar Ramos-Gomez, a Marine veteran who was born and raised in Michigan, spent several days in ICE custody.
A 2018 investigation by the Los Angeles Times found that ICE had released more than 1,400 people from custody since 2012 after investigating citizenship claims.

Matthew Albence, now ICE's acting director, told the newspaper that the agency takes any assertions that a detained individual may be a US citizen very seriously.
ICE updates records when errors are found, Albence said in a statement to the Times last year, and agents arrest only those they have probable cause to suspect are eligible for deportation.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/23/us/us-citizen-detained-texas/index.html


Welcome to Trump's America, where the US government can detain a US born citizen in the horrible conditions in which they detain illegals. For 3 weeks.
And they don't even feel sorry for that...
 
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