I think this sums up the Republican Party schism pretty good

[Jack Davenport]

All reports I've seen in the last six months or ve said Obamacare is working, but regardless, your assertion that I "wholeheartedly support" Obamacare isn't accurate. It's been my consistent position that Obamacare is probably the worst way healthcare reform could have happened, I support a universal single payer system, not this windfall bestowed upon the health insurance industry.

Not the lies about Obamacare's efficiency doofus, but the whole list of lies that sold it to the American people.

Of course you want a single payer system. You fiscally responsible, low debt loving conservative you.

Maybe this thread is becoming quite lyrical.

 

[xfire]

Not the lies about Obamacare's efficiency doofus, but the whole list of lies that sold it to the American people.

Of course you want a single payer system. You fiscally responsible, low debt loving conservative you.

Maybe this thread is becoming quite lyrical.

I'll take the list of "Obamacare lies" over the lies another president told to sell a war in Iraq to the American people, and that's a perfect illustration of the mindset of the two parties; Obamacare "lies" were told to benefit those most in need, Republican lies always benefit the wealthy. Just like a lot of my fellow Texans that got caught up in the recent flooding, they don't need the government until something bad happens to them personally, then it's all, "he'p meh, he'p meh". I can't understand why "conservatives" don't get that we're all in this together and that together we can do extraordinary things. I'm sure there's still lingering resentment, at least in The South, from that whole CSA failure a few generations back.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Actually, as bad of a fuckup that the invasion of Iraq was, unless there is evidence produced that proves GWB sent men and women to die to get his jollies and not just unabashed incompetence and naivete, the greatest lie ever told in my lifetime was told by Barack Hussein Obama. It has been proven and he intentionally lied to hoodwink America into buying into his socialist experiment.

Barry lied,policies died!

 

[xfire]

Actually, as bad of a fuckup that the invasion of Iraq was, unless there is evidence produced that proves GWB sent men and women to die to get his jollies and not just unabashed incompetence and naivete, the greatest lie ever told in my lifetime was told by Barack Hussein Obama. It has been proven and he intentionally lied to hoodwink America into buying into his socialist experiment.

Barry lied,policies died!

There hasn't been any evidence produced that proves Obama intentionally lied. He was wrong about certain aspects of the healthcare roll out but that's all you can say unequivocally, and that's why it doesn't bother me in the least to say George W. Bush lied his way into Iraq because it's the same fucking metric you're using to claim Obama lied.

 

[Jack Davenport]

When I last checked, there isn't a MIT economist hired by the Bush administration saying GWB lied.

 

[Straight Shooter]

Actually, as bad of a fuckup that the invasion of Iraq was, unless there is evidence produced that proves GWB sent men and women to die to get his jollies and not just unabashed incompetence and naivete, the greatest lie ever told in my lifetime was told by Barack Hussein Obama. It has been proven and he intentionally lied to hoodwink America into buying into his socialist experiment.

Barry lied,policies died!

Can you be a little more specific? Which specific policies are you referring too?

 

[Jack Davenport]

Can you be a little more specific? Which specific policies are you referring too?

Oh boy!

Blue Cross

Aetna

Humana

Cigna


*sigh*

 

[xfire]

Oh boy!

Blue Cross

Aetna

Humana

Cigna


*sigh*

Yeah, you should be sighing and banging your head against the wall because you can't prove Obama intentionally lied about anything and by extension you're setting the bar so low that you're condemning Bush to the same metric. Nice job, thanks for proving Bush lied his way into Iraq.

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

What a crock of shit. The big government Republicans are what has been put in the leadership and not conservatives. GWB was not a conservative. That is what leftists like Maddow are doing. Either purposely lumping conservatives and republicans together as one and the same or they don't know the difference.

I sit back and read the BS posted here like Bernie Sanders is a mainstream politician when he is anything but. Meanwhile, a conservative starts to sniff the nominations and commies like you start to lose their minds and scream extremist. A conservative majority congress ( I don't say Republican) and a conservative president would result in real smaller government policies.

You are so wrapped up and watching yourself post that you are clueless that you appear to be either out of touch or a pompous ass that has no idea how stupid you look as proclaiming conservatives extreme and unacceptable while voicing some of the most radical agenda of any person on this board.

Problem with your argument is in the end 'true' conservatives are a very distant minority of the voting pool.
And thank goodness for that.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Jonathan Gruber says hello. Now, we arent talking a war here and since Honest Barack just made a little fuckup only affecting 1/6 of our economy,then surely this beacon of truth and honesty can clear this mix up right up now can't he.

Oh that's right he can't, or won't, or give us a do over.......or...or...

 

[Jack Davenport]

Problem with your argument is
the end 'true' conservatives are a very distant minority of the voting pool.
And thank goodness for that.

As are Bernie Sanders supporters and Zeebowlfull internet political experts.
Thank goodness for that.

 

[xfire]

Jonathan Gruber says hello. Now, we arent talking a war here and since Honest Barack just made a little fuckup only affecting 1/6 of our economy,then surely this beacon of truth and honesty can clear this mix up right up now can't he.

Oh that's right he can't, or won't, or give us a do over.......or...or...

So when are you going to produce the evidence that Barack Obama lied about healthcare reform? Put up or shut up.

 

[Jack Davenport]

So when are you going to produce the evidence that Barack Obama lied about healthcare reform? Put up or shut up.

Well Gruber didn't crawl out from under a rock. He was actually highly paid with taxpayer money to fabricate this scheme and he says that Obama knew. So in a sense,I have put up, with my hard earned tax dollars.

You were the one that started calling presidents liars. You have been saying Bush lied since you have been here.

So I ask you, where is Bush's Gruber?

I'd love to see it. After all I am an opened minded fella, you know?

 

[wdoall]

True or false.....

 

[Jack Davenport]

I could have fun with that and change a few words around to read class warfare, Christophobes and Maddow and her imitators and win a pie at the next republican bake sale.

I'm just thankful that midget Reich is the one quoted there. Wasn't he on Star Trek TOS?

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

As are Bernie Sanders supporters and Zeebowlfull internet political experts.
Thank goodness for that.

Wouldn't vote for him either as the far left is also a minority and equally looney.
Mr Balls.

 

[Supafly]

True or false.....

I could have fun with that and change a few words around to read class warfare, Christophobes and Maddow and her imitators and win a pie at the next republican bake sale.

I'm just thankful that midget Reich is the one quoted there. Wasn't he on Star Trek TOS?

We agree on the issue of Class Warfare. It's jus that the aforementioned billionaires are practicing it in full effect on the rest of the country.

The little difference is that some are fine with it (That would be you) and some are not okay with it (We somehw do not really enjoy being raped continuously like that)

 

[MMMariah]

Bush's Gruber is Richard Clark. He has gone on the record that the administration lied and that Bush was telling everyone to connect Iraq to 9/11 on day one. I'd say that he has a little bit more clout than your "greatest lie ever told" bullshit. How many people died because of this lie you claim took place? The lie Bush told cost 4000 lies and destroyed our economy. That sounds a little more serious than a health care program that has exceeded the original expectations and the MAJORITY of americans who have it are happy and saving money. I didn't say all so relax zippy.

I'll put Richard Clark's credentials up against ANYONE you bring against Obama's lie. ANYONE.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Richard Clarke also worked for Clinton and Madeleine Albright and left disgruntled after his position was downgraded .

Gruber was paid over 2 million in taxpayer money. Gruber's claims are credible because he was the consultant that received compensation and did not have an Axe to grind.
This isn't the first time you have mentioned Clarke and he has produced nothing to prove his claim.

Almost everything that you post here originates from left wing blogs and websites and can be Googled to the point that it comes back almost verbatim compared to what you post here. Just spoon fed regurgitation of radical agenda and it is becoming humorous. I privately sent a message yesterday to another poster that you would early this morning bring up Clarke and I will be damned if you weren't right on time.

So until you can come up with something better, the greatest lie told by a president is If you like your policy you can keep it and will remain so until the great Bush conspiracy can be proven. Which it won't be.

 

[MMMariah]

So if you worked for Clinton you are not a reliable source of information? Do you even hear yourself when you say shit like this?

Ok so let's review a few other lies told by YOUR side.

Mission Accomplished

We'll use the oil in Iraq to pay for the war

We'll never allow the opium growers to regain status in Afghanistan

Iraq / Saddam funded 9/11

Iraq / Saddam harbored the 9/11 terrorists

Read my lips, no new taxes

Ronald Reagans Iran Contra disaster

Ronald Reagan using the CIA to import cocaine to fund the Contra war



So you're saying Obama saying that people could keep their existing plan is equal to ANY of those on a scale measuring the deception of the american people? REALLY?