Here is the problem I have with "America". The people that bitch the most about the government being "all up in their business" are usually the ones that expect that same government to take care of them. Every day I deal with people that don't want show an ID for smokes and cheap ass so called beer but have no problem waiting for that check every month. The worst part is that people that are busting their ass trying to get ahead through actually working hard can't get any help. A lot of these assholes that won't even try to get a fucking job look down on me because I'm a manager at a convenience store. Well, fuck them. Get off your lazy, government cheese eating, Steel Reserve drinking ass and do something. Yes times are hard, get over it.
I think America is cut off.
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What people want, and what they are willing to do or put up with are two very different things. Wanting is easy. Doing something about an issue a society doesn't like is hard is often left tossed out with the trash because it's inconvenient.
I also don't know what world you're living in, but when two sides are about roughly equal in technology, which China will be soon or at least close enough, and when one side vastly outnumbers the other and isn't afraid to use questionable inhumane tactics, experience, fighting spirit, and a noble cause don't mean shit, especially with a enemy that can be brainwashed into being fanatical. Even that's not taking into account the U.S.'s "experience" is overrated. That's stuff working to help people win only happens in movies. In real life the person that throws more bombs and bullets at the other person, all other things being equal, wins.
There's a problem with that way of thinking. That only works if the U.S. can continue to pay it's bills or at least make other people think it can. Someday it's going to become obvious to everybody that's never going to happen. Everybody will realize we are never going to be able to reasonably pay off our debt either because it will literally get so out of hand it's impossible or it will effect the American people so much we will just refuse to. It could almost happen now. All we need is one more very bad economic downturn. When that happens there is no longer any incentive for that economic entwinement like it exist now, and the people that are big and tough on the world stage will start extracting what they think they are owed one way or another. That could be the total loss of all diplomatic leverage we have over anybody. It could be somebody like China making life a living hell for us on the world state, and even quality of life within our own country, with the fact they will then have more influence and everybody will owe them unlike with us. (Not to mention as time goes on we will depend on them more than vise versa.) Or maybe they will just start collecting what they think they are owed like the mob does when somebody doesn't pay. As much as I hate it they seem to know what they are doing very long term in that respect and are playing us like a fiddle. You don't actually think they, or anybody else, dumps all that money into us because of the kindness of their own hearts or because anybody is foolish enough now to thing the U.S. is a good investment. It's all for long term strategic advantages for themselves.
Every decade has a doomsday theory it seems.
Agreed. People want "freedom" but then they want the government to ensure they are absolutely secure from anything bad that may happen. That's aint how life works. :dunno:
Actually, we're rapidly approaching 7 billion, thanks to the Third World and their unadulterated mating habits. People in America today - you know, us that are of a working, blue-collar background - are absolutely getting hammered. And we're the great creators of the world. It's a bloody shame those that aren't lazy in America today can't afford to have productive children, while the welfare trash heap are procreating like roaches. :crying: I've seen it. I lived it. My parents busted their asses for 30 years each punching a clock and couldn't afford to have more children. That's not to say we didn't live middle class, it just is fucked, that's all. Now the majority of middle-class Americans have to have a two-person income to even get by.
Absolutely there are a lot of people that are fat, lazy asses. I think a lot of that is due to how are life has changed, in many ways for the worse.
They all fall. We will fall. I don't really know if that's gonna be such a bad thing, ya know. How many countries do we have a military presence in? Our might is just spread too thin. :2 cents:
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Horse shit. Battle hardened veterans are MUCH better troops than raw recruits. On foot, on wheels, on tracks or on an ejector seat.
While the us has seen combat (albeit unequal in recent years) and has used the benefit of it's combat experience to train troops, what have the chinese got? Experience of supressing civilians in... Oh fuck I'm only four cans in and I forgot the name of the country.
Oh yeah, Tibet.
The USA is dying politically and socially. As far as the entertainment industry goes, anytime there is a great deal of money involved creativity is going to suffer. The bottom line is about money and not the quality of the work. Read the book the American Theocracy by Kevin Phillips and you will know what you want and need to know.
Gal...I'm beginning to rethink my view on your thoughts in this thread. When we make these Joisy losers celebs for sitting around all day in tanning booths, getting bad haircuts and going to the gym...."somethings reeeeeally wrong" in America.:crying:
Thats the problem in America, we have too many people famous for doing nothing.. Like the losers above...
JayJohn85
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China- Invasion proof
America- Invasion proof
Russia- Invasion proof
All down to size and the simple irrefutable fact that governments except the chinese( Mao) ignore.....Occupations don't really work. Well not somewhere where the folks have known only conflict and most of the populace is engaged in it ho chi minh style.
The chinese had a short conflict with india then they pulled back I do believe into their own borders.....Basically they where making a point.
America- Invasion proof
Russia- Invasion proof
All down to size and the simple irrefutable fact that governments except the chinese( Mao) ignore.....Occupations don't really work. Well not somewhere where the folks have known only conflict and most of the populace is engaged in it ho chi minh style.
The chinese had a short conflict with india then they pulled back I do believe into their own borders.....Basically they where making a point.
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Whereas america always has boots on the ground somewhere and is almost always shooting,somewhere. That gives american troops a big experience advantage over the chinese who almost never go to war.
I seem to remember India's army being a conscript army; if that's correct, they're not exactly A-grade opponents...
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
i don't really think you want out.
you just want some satisfaction.
i know where youre coming from, i was there myself.
i was disgusted and disappointed by almost everyone and everything around me.
wasn't my fault, they made me feel that way.
so i found a place, checked it out, liked it although it has many annoyances.
organized my life, learned the language aas best i could and prepared for a change, and changed it.
but no matter what, you will always miss your home.
so if you really want out, get out, you can always come back.
You must have a very liberal definition of "MUCH better" let along "battle hardened", or let ego or national pride color your view of reality. Also that combat we have seen the last couple of years doesn't really do that much for a the training of a large scale war with a competent well equiped enemy. We won't be facing impoverished people that have nothing but AKs and live in caves and remote tribal villages (which even that we don't do well all things considered). I also don't know why you assume any soldiers we face will be raw recruits or won't have soon other action themselves by that point. In any case what do the Chinese got? Well when the time comes probably about somewhere between a 5-1 to 10-1 advantage in the number of troops with very slightly worse equipment. They will also have things like an air force and navy. Something we haven't faced in about 60 years as of now. Be sure to tell those troops how great they got it because of their experience and equipment gives them a 5% advantage over an enemy soldier when ten of them are raining death on him.
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
How shall I put this... Because I'm not american but am in fact rather opposed to a america, your ego and national pride colouring my POV of reality point is null and void.
Combat is combat. Afghans are always fighting, which makes them very tough opponents. When american (or any other troops face them) They get a good slice of combat experience. And by fighting someone who uses guerrilla tactics they learn guerrilla tacics, which will allow them to utilise them against the chinese.
You can slag off the AK47 all you like, but it is the real weapon of mass destruction and the worlds weapon of choice. It's reliable, more accurate than people give it credit for and it has a good chunk of energy behind the bullet, which means good stopping power..
The chinese haven't really seen the type of action the western world has experienced in Afghanistan/Iraq and besides which the populace aren't as much in love with the PRC as you might think. Every day people in the PRC protest, but if you ever watch chinese news it's all happy news; because anything to make the country look bad is suppressed.
Although the chinese will have a numerical advantage (and some of their stuff is superior to some american equipment) this doesn't matter too much when you consider that america has almost constant experience of conflict and uses that to train it's troops.
True, america hasn't faced a decent AF or navy in many years. But neither has China.
I'm not saying america, it's equipment or troops are great, but what I am saying is that when it comes to infantry (the only unit capable of winning a war) america has it better than china.
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