Hey Republicans! Tax Payers are Helping Fortune 500 Companies Pay Their Employees!

[bobjustbob]

Rank and file employees are not the only cost. These are buildings, land, and equipment come with costs. Taxes have to paid on these properties. Refuge. Building and property maintenance. Plowing snow from the parking lots. Utilities. Uniforms. Insurance. And we haven't even cooked the first burgher yet. There is delivery equipment to be purchased and maintained. Processing plants that make and ship to the stores with their building and equipment costs and maintenance. Plus the people that staff these plants. Office people. Advertising. Need I go on?

What do you pay these truck drivers, office people, and plant workers if the cashiers start making $15hr? Also remember that these store workers are still getting paid when there are down times when no burghers are walking out the door. Are you aware that McDonald's offers a 401k? They kick in 3-1 on the first 1%. After a year they will match dollar for dollar up to the next 4%. Add to that another 3% in discretionary profit sharing contribution for those eligible. How does anyone else's k stack up against that?

Okay, so you want to jack up the minimum wage on the largest of companies only? Free health insurrance paid to all workers at the larger corporations? Fine. Make them pay it since they can afford it. Who is going to work at the local delis and bodegas now? NO ONE! The big boys will be the only show in town. The same will happen in every retail sector. Hair cutters will be replaced with mall like chain chop shops. Home Depot will expand into lawn maintenance and building restoration. Ford and Exxon could easily get together and wipe out all local taxi companies. Is this what you want? Of course you do. Everyone now gets their living wage.

 

[wdoall]

I am well diversified too bad that you don't like it. I am a investor in a restaurant with a family member I have several real estate holdings and I am involved in manufacturing. There are many other ventures that I am involved with because business is my thaang. You'll also be happy to know that I am a partner in a private equity firm so yeah I have a lot of irons in the fire and my law practice is not the bulk of my income. The government does not regulate prices in general unless it is through regulatory agencies for very specific things such as utilities. They didn't hang the price tag on the new Stratocaster I purchased last week although you would love for them to. I find it interesting that you oppose unions for driving up costs . I am actually a pro union Republican because they are in the business of securing the best wage and working conditions for their members and do so through negotiations and leverage on behalf of employees. The gains they make go into the pockets of the employees as opposed to what you advocate which is essentially the government assuming the role of union boss but their gains are only to grow government and the only beneficiaries are big spending politicians because higher wages in their minds equal more tax dollars when in actuality it means less government revenues because all business has to do is cut their work force. I also find it interesting that you long for the days of heavy government regulation from years gone by while bitching about Repubs wanting to take us back to the dark ages of the 50's and 60's. You have no grasp of what it takes to run a real business and to make a payroll which I have been doing every week for the past 20 years. If anyone here is the simpleton it's you and you continue to reinforce that fact with each and every post that you make.

hate to say but I was thinking the same thing is you here BC but the problem bien that if all of these low wage people quit and went back to school and there was nobody working its all these companies would go bankrupt the workers are needed as much as they need the company's there has to be some symbiotic relationship with a take care of each other or both fail

 

[wdoall]

and I apologize for the bad grammar that's being used by me I'm using voice text watching football

 

[Master Roshi]

the minimum wage could and should be risen, however it would be easier to do if the federal reserve note would not have lost so much of its value over the years, it has lost over 90 percent of its value since 1913, but since the bankers have an agenda to get 100 percent of the world using these federal reserve notes, a decent minimum wage increase won't be happening anytime soon, it seems that everyone wants to argue about the costs of running a business but not many want to understand the unit which this businesses use to conduct commerce which is the federal reserve note aka the US dollar

 

[Mariahxxx]

Roshi you have a VERY one track mind lol

 

[wdoall]

Imo he is lol

 

[bobjustbob]

I'm seeing figures here ranging from $15-$22 hr. as a minimum wage. A livable wage. That's $2660 mo. Here are the trick questions. How much are you willing to pay in taxes, 30%? You are now at $1820. Car? What kind of car do people deserve to own? Let's go $200 mo. gas and ins. Phone, TV, and Internet are only $90 for the first year. Most are paying $160. Yea, we like those goodies like HBO and unlimited text and phone. You all probably think we deserve them as a necessity to live. We are now down to $1460. Rent? Depends upon where you want to live. If you don't want to live in a ghetto then $850 is what you are going to pay. $610 left. Utilities another hundred. We didn't eat yet. $70 per week okay for you? That's $10 per day. Can you manage that? $303 left. How about a haircut and some new clothes. We need those things don't we? Figure it out for yourself of what's left. Your car breaks down and needs repairs. The microwave or fridge needs replacing. You are still down to nothing "livable". Nothing left to go to the dentist. Nothing left for dinner and a movie. You still think that you deserve more. Your 30% taxes still ain't covering what you want/think you deserve.

Don't think that I have no compassion for people. Not everyone can get out of their houses much less do enough physical activity to supplement. But those that can shouldn't supplement those that won't because that's not good enough for them. We tried giving things to those that didn't have. Building housing and handing them welfare. A nice thought to give people a jump start. Look at them now.

I know a family that inherited a mansion with money. They pisses that all away thinking it would last forever. What did they do when the money was running out and house being lost? Move to France. Dead beats here and found a new place to live as dead beats.

 

[Master Roshi]

yeah I guess I am lol but once you understand that every aspect of a modern mechanized society stems from the currency unit that society uses to build itself up, well then its very hard not to fall back to the source

 

[Mariahxxx]

well bob then dont bitch about your taxes going up because those companies making billions in profit arent paying their employees a wage that coincides with the increases in the cost of living. you can say "go get a better job" but that is about as naive as it gets. jobs are scarce in case you haven't heard. Not everyone has the ability to get a better job. And at least they are working instead of just putting their hands out every month.

and no one is demanding cable tv and a better car. how about food for their families? how about enough to get to and from work? school books? clothing? either the companies pay it or YOU do. take your pick.

 

[Master Roshi]

http://www.businessinsider.com/25-corporations-bigger-tan-countries-2011-6?op=1

 

[Master Roshi]

currently Apple actually has a bigger liquid cash account than the US

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-has-more-cash-on-hand-than-the-us-government-2011-7

 

[Mariahxxx]

How do you know when your house has been burglarized by a republican?

your medicine cabinet is empty, your son's been violated and someone took a shit in your bed.

 

[bobjustbob]

Getting a better job is not a naive thought. Gather your skills and sell them. The car that I described is no better than the one that I drive. Those estimates are minimal for getting form point A to point B. If you looked at it you would think it was abandoned and risks being towed. My numbers are a pretty good estimate of the cost of living. They are for 1 person. You want to add a child? Don't add a child before you are willing to pay for them. Prenatal care. Care for mother. Formula. Clothing that they grow out of every month. Shots every month. Just because someone wants to be a mother there should be a built in pay raise? That sounds like welfare to me. Have another kid and you get 5 bucks more per hour?

No, we are talking about the living wage. Giving it to everyone that can find their way to work is just silly. Everyone has the ability to get a better job. Getting a job is a full time job, ever heard of that? You gotta do more to get more. People do it every day at all levels. Jobs are not that scarse for those that look for them.

 

[Mariahxxx]

everyone can get a better job? really? then why doesnt everyone in the world have a better job that needs one?

What if you don't have skills. not everyone is savvy with certain things. Not everyone has an education, many because of where they lived and their parents.

so you go ahead bob and keep your attitude towards less fortunate people and see where this country ends up because of it and people who share your view. sick people dont contribute. hopeless people dont contribute either. that breeds more gangs, more drugs, more kids without fathers and ultimately more crime and more welfare and government assistance.

so you can keep it as it is with more WORKING people at poverty levels or you could require companies to pay a higher wage.

fuck it's like explaining algebra to a toddler. I know you live in New Jersey but do you live in a bubble?

 

[Mayhem]

No, we are talking about the living wage. Giving it to everyone that can find their way to work is just silly. Everyone has the ability to get a better job. Getting a job is a full time job, ever heard of that? You gotta do more to get more. People do it every day at all levels. Jobs are not that scarse for those that look for them.

Now hold on a minute. I recall a recent financial crisis and election campaign where the ongoing dialogue was the bad economy, whose fault it is, and whose plan will work the best. Are you telling me that none of this was real? The jobs have always been there?

A couple years ago I had a job that took me past a NV JobConnect office in the early morning. 7am and the line was wrapped around the building for the 8am door opening. Day after day. Are we saying that the doors opened, the people signed in and were granted their next job because there were so many out there? I'm confused.

 

[Master Roshi]

Getting a better job is not a naive thought. Gather your skills and sell them. The car that I described is no better than the one that I drive. Those estimates are minimal for getting form point A to point B. If you looked at it you would think it was abandoned and risks being towed. My numbers are a pretty good estimate of the cost of living. They are for 1 person. You want to add a child? Don't add a child before you are willing to pay for them. Prenatal care. Care for mother. Formula. Clothing that they grow out of every month. Shots every month. Just because someone wants to be a mother there should be a built in pay raise? That sounds like welfare to me. Have another kid and you get 5 bucks more per hour?

No, we are talking about the living wage. Giving it to everyone that can find their way to work is just silly. Everyone has the ability to get a better job. Getting a job is a full time job, ever heard of that? You gotta do more to get more. People do it every day at all levels. Jobs are not that scarse for those that look for them.

what about those cases where a female school teacher statutory rapes a boy and she gets pregnant and has a baby and when the boy turns 18, he is ordered by the family courts to pay child support for 18 years, everyone's situation is different Bob, now I understand the ethics of hard work, ive been at it since I was 13 but unfortunately all those years I was forced to be paid in a currency unit that was depriving me of my purchasing power as the years went on all because of the fact that there are control freak asshoes that want more and more wealth/resources, and because they want way more than they will ever need, I, along with the majority of my fellow human beings will get cheated out of the results of my production no matter how hard I work

 

[xfire]

Location has a huge factor to play, as well. I make no secret that I live in the Lufkin/Nacogdoches area of Deep East Texas. I graduated from both Angelina College and Stephen F. Austin State University, and I can tell you that where I live is totally economically depressed. I see people I graduated from SFA with, people that have Masters degrees in various fields that can't find anything better than part-time minimum wage jobs. It's fucking depressing, and it's a fact of life in this area, in this economy, and it's been that way for years, long before BHO was elected president.

 

[HehehehehehehehehehahaHyena]

I'm seeing figures here ranging from $15-$22 hr. as a minimum wage. A livable wage. That's $2660 mo. Here are the trick questions. How much are you willing to pay in taxes, 30%? You are now at $1820. Car? What kind of car do people deserve to own? Let's go $200 mo. gas and ins. Phone, TV, and Internet are only $90 for the first year. Most are paying $160. Yea, we like those goodies like HBO and unlimited text and phone. You all probably think we deserve them as a necessity to live. We are now down to $1460. Rent? Depends upon where you want to live. If you don't want to live in a ghetto then $850 is what you are going to pay. $610 left. Utilities another hundred. We didn't eat yet. $70 per week okay for you? That's $10 per day. Can you manage that? $303 left. How about a haircut and some new clothes. We need those things don't we? Figure it out for yourself of what's left. Your car breaks down and needs repairs. The microwave or fridge needs replacing. You are still down to nothing "livable". Nothing left to go to the dentist. Nothing left for dinner and a movie. You still think that you deserve more. Your 30% taxes still ain't covering what you want/think you deserve.

Don't think that I have no compassion for people. Not everyone can get out of their houses much less do enough physical activity to supplement. But those that can shouldn't supplement those that won't because that's not good enough for them. We tried giving things to those that didn't have. Building housing and handing them welfare. A nice thought to give people a jump start. Look at them now.

I know a family that inherited a mansion with money. They pisses that all away thinking it would last forever. What did they do when the money was running out and house being lost? Move to France. Dead beats here and found a new place to live as dead beats.

I used to respect you.

 

[Jack Davenport]

I used to respect you.

No doubt he will be crushed.

 

[Mariahxxx]

there is this mindset with people that everyone who gets assistance is just a bunch of lazy bums. 80% of the people getting assistance work! 60% of those work full time!

We are creating people who can only afford to eat at fast food which = bad health which = more assistance

so you guys can bitch n moan about companies not giving up a penny of profit to pay their employees more, but what do you get when you skimp on anything? You never get anything worthwhile. As they say "ya get what ya pay for" well when people are handling my food I wanna know they are going to be responsible and if they hate their boss, that ain't happening. So when your next Filet OFish has a little extra tarter sauce in it, remember you bitched about not paying them a fair wage.