Will E Worm
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This will be guerrilla warfare if it happens. Not just "old men" with rifles.
They have much more firepower than rifles.
The Militias will be much more than a slight nuisance.
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This will be guerrilla warfare if it happens. Not just "old men" with rifles.
They have much more firepower than rifles.
The Militias will be much more than a slight nuisance.
I totally disagree with yamamoto & any serious military mind who would think that if the strongest military in the history of the world is defeated & invaded by another country there is no way hell some fat, undisicplined, out of shape armed citizens with ak-47's are going to stop them.
To invade the US you would need air & technological superiority & bomb us into oblivion & any citizen who would dare point a gun at this invader would wish they had never seen a gun. The only way those guns will help is with the ensuing chaos & protection from other desperate citizens who are looting & terrorizing fellow citizens. If the US miltary can't stop an invasion then no one on earth can & armed citizens would be little more than a nuisance.
As the owner of three guns( 870 express, mossberg atr 30-06 & another handgun soon to replace a stolen glock 17
For the most part ,Obama only wants fairly reasonable gun control laws.
I bet you are not a member of the NRA. Is this a problem for you that a honest law abiding citizen own a m1a1 or a tec9? Not for me, the problem is the fucking gangsta ghetto boyz having illegally full acquired and stolen full auto weapons. But I bet you never asked yourself and don't know what kind of guns were and are used in attacks, assault or drive by shootings. "Give them an inch and they will take a mile" is what can be said about Obama's policy regarding guns. Obama is a fucking tool wanting to disarm class3 and class2 gun owners, everyone who is a responsible gun owner knows it. In a gun forum, would you have written that "Obama only wants fairly reasonable gun control laws", you would have received the harshest replies. What I find ludicrous is that a gun owner like you voted for someone who is against the 2nd amendment. Talk about logic
I bet I can't expect logic and/or national pride from a socialist.
NO. Anyone who actually believes that any country that is disicplined & DEDICATED enough ,has air superiority,technology,etc.... to successfully invade the most powerful/technologically advanced military in the history of the world & a nuclear superpower will see foolish old men with rifles as no more than a nuisance. The notion that some armed citizens can defeat them is beyond ludicrous. With misguided/foolish Japanese leaders like the 'wise' Yamamoto it is no wonder Japan was nearly bombed into oblivion.:dunno:
And of the roughly 20 something thousand(?) or more citizens killed & millions robbed/burglarized yearly I am sure that many(maybe most) of them were gun owners, yet very, very few have used their gun against persons who victimize them. I am nearly 40 years old (nearly everyone I know owns guns) & I have yet to know of a single person to use their gun in self defense, but I have known a dozen or so of them murdered because bad guys normally get the drop on you. And I have known a few locked up for unjustified murder.
My shotgun & (pistol I shall replace ) are also for self defense among other purposes(hunting/recreation), but I am not under the impression that a gun is the answer to my personal safety.
However it is(gun ownership) a 'little' peace of mind & I agree that the threat of armed homes can make 'some' criminals think twice or be a bit more cautious ,but criminals don't wait until you are ready for them they catch you at your most vulnerable.
Well Bowdown to your socialist President.:bowdown: I thought that mindless nonsense that Obama is a Socialist was over when he spanked McCain's ass on Nov. 4.
For someone who is 40, you sound like a person lacking self confidence.
Apparently, the persons you knew didn't take defensive shooting courses. Most of the people I know in TX, NY and AZ have taken shooting defensive courses. I too have taken shooting defensive courses. I know quite a bunch of persons in the USA who weren't afraid to use their guns when someone wanted to burglarize their homes. I personally wouldn't hesitate to shoot someone who forced my home's door if I lived in the USA. In France, I don't have a gun license but I have survival knives and an axe, I will use them for sure if my safety is threatened. If you are sure of yourself, have a good sight and a quick trigger pull, you can smoke a bad guy easily.Criminals hate determined people who oppose them resistance. If you are the fastest with a shotgun then you can easily smoke scumbags, if you are as slow as turtle with very poor trigger pull then a gun is not for you.
Obama is a socialist everyone who is enough bright knows it. He perhaps "spanked" Mc Cain 's ass but he will not last very long.
This will be guerrilla warfare if it happens. Not just "old men" with rifles.
They have much more firepower than rifles.
The Militias will be much more than a slight nuisance.
The Iraqi army was pretty well equipped and a lot of good that did them.And they were fighting for their own soil.
By the way, the Militia Act which followed the 2nd Amendment placed the militia under the command of the President..........
That whenever the laws of the United States shall be opposed or the execution thereof obstructed, in any state, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by this act, the same being notified to the President of the United States, by an associate justice or the district judge, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States to call forth the militia of such state to suppress such combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
If the President is not following the Constitution or any of the other documents of America, he is working against the American people.
He is a despot and can be replaced and tried as a traitor guilty of treason.
The Militias are here to protect us and the laws of the land.
The Militia Act of 1791 was a clarification and continuation of the 2nd Amendment and written by the same people.You can't have one without the other.
Far better equipped (Iraqi fighter jets ,heavy artillery, tanks,etc...)& trained than the average American citizen with an ak47,etc....yet the US invaded & toopled it's government within a month with little serious resistance. First of all no one is going to successfully invade the US short of an advanced alien civilization so the presumption in itself is ludicrous(or unless the UN/NATO/EU/ all decide that the US must be destroyed
And even if the ridiculous notion that the US can be invaded sucessfully does come to pass it is beyond foolish to believe that poorly trained/undisciplined/woefully outgunned /technologically inferior citizens can defeat them. Some gun owners foolishly imbue their guns with powers that are way beyond the weapons intentions/capabilities.
In 1770's during the American revolution the arcahaic muzzleloading brown bess was the best technology of the day . Military techology is so far advanced/sophisticated today beyond anything the forefathers could have imagined.
Actually the most effective personal weapon at the time was still the bow and arrow!A good archer could hit a target at a greater range than a musket was effective and could keep 5 arrows in the air at once.
Wow, you have all sorts of little factoids to share. Assuming you're right about them, thanks.
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Yes, a highly skilled archer could outrange a highly skilled 'musket'teer in the 18'th century.
But it took perhaps years to learn the former and weeks to learn the latter. And as wars became more about attrition (like the Revolutionary War), specialised skills like archery became a dangerous weapon for armies to depend on.
And at close quarters with massed armies, even muskets were superior to archers. Even for long range archers as they were vulnerable to artillery (something the French didn't have at Agincourt; when archers ruled the battlefield).
getting back to guns,
gun distribution just doesn't come from legal sales alot come from gun dealers that require no license just money.
so... if your gonna restrict guns to law biding citizens or make it a year to get a gun what about the non law biding citizens who can get their guns without the 6 month waits?
gun distribution just doesn't come from legal sales alot come from gun dealers that require no license just money.
so... if your gonna restrict guns to law biding citizens or make it a year to get a gun what about the non law biding citizens who can get their guns without the 6 month waits?
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
There aren't any "reasonable" laws for gun control.
When our rights shall not be infringed.
It's an oxymoron.
Anyone proposing a new law to restrict our rights is a traitor and guilty of treason.
I agree completely. I guess I phrased the question wrong. I keep hearing "reasonable" gun laws being thrown around. Of the 22K+ laws we already have, how many more reasonable laws do we need?
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
We don't need any more laws and some of the laws need to be rolled back completely.
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Ok, most of the posts I've read here, the users who have their location listed seem to be from above the "Mason/Dixon line" (well the ones with sales restrictions, anyway).
So I guess my question is: Don't they ever have gun shows up there?
Here in the beautiful south, at a gun show, anyone with cash can leave with nearly any weapon imaginable....same day sale, no background check (and let me make it clear that I would pass any background check) We have CCW on a "shall issue" basis (if there is no specific reason to disallow a CCW permit, the state must issue any request)
Makes me wonder if we even live in the same country.....Come on down, the weather's mild in the winter, and the women are always beautiful. Plus it's not Texas!
So I guess my question is: Don't they ever have gun shows up there?
Here in the beautiful south, at a gun show, anyone with cash can leave with nearly any weapon imaginable....same day sale, no background check (and let me make it clear that I would pass any background check) We have CCW on a "shall issue" basis (if there is no specific reason to disallow a CCW permit, the state must issue any request)
Makes me wonder if we even live in the same country.....Come on down, the weather's mild in the winter, and the women are always beautiful. Plus it's not Texas!
The thing about archery is the firepower.Muskets took quite a while to reload (and in the heat of battle often did it wrongly) whereas an archer could keep up a steady fire.
But what if restricting (which is different from abolishing outright) gun rights would help to stop a terrorist attack? See here:
http://www.50caliberterror.com/
I would propose that those who do no SUPPORT such restrictions should be considered suspicious, and possibly treasonous. (I'm only 50% serious there, btw) What about bazookas? Are they guns? Do I have a right to them? Why should I have such a right? What if someone invents a gun (and at this point I wouldn't be all that surprised if the Department of "Defense" had already done so) that fires very small nuclear weapons (like nuclear bullets, really), with a range of 20 miles? Would our nation's founders want me to be able to have it?
Just askin'.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
But what if restricting (which is different from abolishing outright) gun rights would help to stop a terrorist attack? See here:
http://www.50caliberterror.com/
I would propose that those who do no SUPPORT such restrictions should be considered suspicious, and possibly treasonous. (I'm only 50% serious there, btw) What about bazookas? Are they guns? Do I have a right to them? Why should I have such a right? What if someone invents a gun (and at this point I wouldn't be all that surprised if the Department of "Defense" had already done so) that fires very small nuclear weapons (like nuclear bullets, really), with a range of 20 miles? Would our nation's founders want me to be able to have it?
We can never stop terrorism, it's a wait and see thing.
Any weapon the military can have, so can we.
The Militias are supposed to be trained and armed by the government.
They broke that rule along time ago.
