Georgia Passes Law That Allows "Guns Everywhere"

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Is this the second amendment on steroids or the proper interpretation of the intent of the law? Opponents call it the "Guns Everywhere" law....proponents call it the implementation of American freedoms guaranteed by the constitution.

It's legal for licensed gun owners in Georgia to pack heat in bars, schools, churches and some government buildings.

Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal, a Republican, on Wednesday signed the state's "Safe Carry Protection Act," which critics dubbed the "guns everywhere bill," in north Georgia, on the edge of the Chattahoochee National Forest and Cohutta Wilderness area.

"Our state has some of the best protections for gun owners in the United States. And today we strengthen those rights protected by our nation's most revered founding document," Deal said in signing the bill.

The new law, which goes into effect July 1, allows licensed gun owners in Georgia and visitors from 28 other states to bring a gun into a bar without restrictions and carry a firearm into some government buildings that don't have security measures. It also allows school districts to decide whether they want some employees to carry a firearm and religious leaders to decide whether to allow licensed gun owners to tote to their church, synagogue or mosque.

Since Jan. 1, 6 states have eased gun laws, 6 states have strengthened them and 4 states have both eased and strengthened firearm laws, according to Laura Cutilletta, senior staff attorney at the San Francisco-based Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Deal signed the bill here because state House Speaker David Ralston, who championed the measure in the state House, represents the area, according to Deal's office.

The new law provoked intense debate. Both supporters and opponents flocked to the state. The National Rifle Association called it "the most comprehensive pro-gun reform legislation introduced in recent history." The gun rights group GeorgiaCarry.org believes the bill will "restore our right to carry and be allowed to protect ourselves anywhere we go," according to executive director Jerry Henry.

Opponents include Americans for Responsible Solutions, the group co-founded by former Arizona congresswoman Gabby Giffords, which called it the nation's most extreme gun bill and said it "moves Georgia out of the mainstream." Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America also lobbied against the bill. It's "a very, very dangerous kill bill," said their national spokeswoman, Lucia McBath, whose 17-year-old son, Jordan Davis, was killed in November 2012 in Jacksonville, Fla., in a dispute over loud music.

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The bill also drew some in-state opposition. People will be able to carry firearms in government buildings that don't have metal detectors, such as city halls, libraries, recreational centers, city office buildings and fire stations. The Georgia Municipal Association, which represents the state's 538 cities, asked Deal to veto it. "Local elected officials are responsible for securing and maintaining public safety, and insurance coverage, in buildings owned and operated by the city. Therefore, they should have the authority to make a decision about whether to allow weapons in such buildings," GMA said in a letter to Deal.

The new law removes a restriction that prevented those convicted of certain misdemeanors from getting a gun permit. And in a provision that has some law enforcement officials concerned, police will not be able to detain a person "for the sole purpose of investigating whether such a person has a weapons carry license."

As Deal signed the bill in Ellijay, a community of 1,600 about 65 miles north of Atlanta, the Georgia Gun Sense Coalition had an event in downtown Atlanta that included a moment of silence for all gun victims. In 2011, the most recent available, gunfire killed 1,175 people in Georgia, including 443 who were murdered, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The gun bill had failed in three previous legislative sessions but passed late on the night of March 20, the session's final day this year.

A year ago this month, a man in Suwanee, Ga., faked a heart attack and took five Gwinnett County firefighters hostage at gunpoint in his house, knowing that the emergency responders would not be armed. Though the incident ended well for the firefighters — a SWAT team rescued them four hours later but killed the gunman — some Georgia legislators believe that this incident provided the impetus for the legislation to pass.

Source is here:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/23/georgia-gun-law/8046315/
 
I have no problem with that but private businesses have the right to refuse entry. When I was bouncing at clubs in Detroit, off duty officers are required to carry firearms at all times and we wouldn't let them in with firearms. As security, you can't control a situation when combatants are armed. It was for our safety and the safety of the patrons.
 
Meh, the gun sanity argument has already been lost in this country. Might as well let people have the freedom to get shot to death no matter what building they're in. The constitution argument is a load of shit, the second amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the right of an individual to own a firearm, unless of course that individual happens to be a state run, well regulated militia. I guess, if a corporation can be an individual, why can't an individual be a state militia?
 

Mayhem

Banned
Meh, the gun sanity argument has already been lost in this country. Might as well let people have the freedom to get shot to death no matter what building they're in. The constitution argument is a load of shit, the second amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the right of an individual to own a firearm, unless of course that individual happens to be a state run, well regulated militia. I guess, if a corporation can be an individual, why can't an individual be a state militia?

Typical foreigner's non-interpretation of what is clearly worded. The Right of the PEOPLE to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed.

It would also be helpful if you examined the definition of the word "Militia" before getting too carried away with your knowledge of American Constitutional Law. :nono:
 
Militia (Merriam-Webster):
1 a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency
b : a body of citizens organized for military service
2 : the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service

Clearly worded my ass, in the preamble and the second they use "the people" to refer to states rights, and in the fifth amendment they use "a person" to indicate an individual. I don't have time right now, but maybe I'll stop by tomorrow and break down the whole thing for you illiterate mouth breathers.
 

Mayhem

Banned
A militia /mɨˈlɪʃə/[1] generally is an army or other fighting force that is composed of non-professional fighters; citizens of a nation or subjects of a state or government that can be called upon to enter a combat situation, as opposed to a professional force of regular, full-time military personnel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia

a group of people who are not part of the armed forces of a country but are trained like soldiers

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/militia

I don't know what you're breathing through, but the oxygen doesn't seem to be getting to your brain.


And P.S. - The Right of the PEOPLE to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
Is this the second amendment on steroids or the proper interpretation of the intent of the law? Opponents call it the "Guns Everywhere" law....proponents call it the implementation of American freedoms guaranteed by the constitution.

It's too bad that the NRA has effectively blocked and gutted all attempts at actually collecting statistics by the CDC concerning guns, or this would be a great opportunity to learn something.
 

Mayhem

Banned
It's too bad that the NRA has effectively blocked and gutted all attempts at actually collecting statistics by the CDC concerning guns, or this would be a great opportunity to learn something.

I'm bewildered. What are we talking about here? By CDC are you perhaps referring to the Center for Disease Control? And if so, why? And by "effectively blocked and gutted all attempts at actually collecting statistics", are you perhaps inferring that anyone in the US is empowered to stop anyone else in the US from "actually collecting statistics" on anything? And if so, why? And are you, perchance, alluding and/or innuendoing that gun statistics are somehow hard to come by? And if so, why?
 
"Guns everywhere." Oh the horrah.

I'd rather be in a bar, a church, a theater or any other public setting where if some sociopath starts a shooting rampage there'd be a greater chance of someone shooting back.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
I'm bewildered. What are we talking about here?
I knew you'd take this up. I'm pretty sure you're well aware of what I'm talking about. But in case others are not...

By CDC are you perhaps referring to the Center for Disease Control?
The same, whose mission statement includes: "DC increases the health security of our nation. As the nation’s health protection agency, CDC saves lives and protects people from health threats. To accomplish our mission, CDC conducts critical science and provides health information that protects our nation against expensive and dangerous health threats, and responds when these arise."

The 8th leading cause of preventable deaths in the US falls under that, I'd say.

And by "effectively blocked and gutted all attempts at actually collecting statistics"...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/26guns.html?_r=0
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-ban-gun-research-caused-lasting-damage/story?id=18909347
http://www.ibtimes.com/house-still-has-no-intention-funding-cdcs-gun-violence-research-1574900
http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-nra-kills-gun-violence-research-2013-1
...I mean this. And not whatever else you're going to try putting in my mouth.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Do I? Yes...yes, I think it is! It's the Star Spangled Banner playing in the back round!

I think it's obvious I have no problem with this....but I still don't understand why people can't seem to understand that law abiding people aren't the problem....seeing as how laws only effect the law abiding.
 

Mayhem

Banned
I knew you'd take this up. I'm pretty sure you're well aware of what I'm talking about. But in case others are not...


The same, whose mission statement includes: "DC increases the health security of our nation. As the nation’s health protection agency, CDC saves lives and protects people from health threats. To accomplish our mission, CDC conducts critical science and provides health information that protects our nation against expensive and dangerous health threats, and responds when these arise."

The 8th leading cause of preventable deaths in the US falls under that, I'd say.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/26guns.html?_r=0
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-ban-gun-research-caused-lasting-damage/story?id=18909347
http://www.ibtimes.com/house-still-has-no-intention-funding-cdcs-gun-violence-research-1574900
http://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-nra-kills-gun-violence-research-2013-1
...I mean this. And not whatever else you're going to try putting in my mouth.

First of all, no I have no idea what you were talking about. In deference to you and your post, I spent some time on the CDC website. Know what I found? Diseases. Which is what they're paid to do. Guns are not a disease. When the CDC cures HIV, Ebola and Hepatitus they can branch out. Until then, stick to the mission at hand. Or change the name.

Second, much like religious freedoms and church, are you seeing a lack of anti-gun organizations in this country?

http://smartgunlaws.org/
http://www.bradycampaign.org/
http://csgv.org/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayors_Against_Illegal_Guns
www.stophandgunviolence.org
www.vpc.org/

If the government isn't going to spend for stem cell research, then they ain't spending for gun research. Meanwhile, I just gave you enough "research" to fill a bathtub and have a nice long soak.

And third, I don't do persecution complexes. I don't try putting words an anyone's mouth. I ask for responses to relevent questions. To your credit, you did. So let's stay on track and leave the bs accusations to the dear departed. I read the links provided and the concerns stated in them are very real. Minimize them all you want, I was involved in the issue back then and the NRA had a valid point.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
In deference to you and your post, I spent some time on the CDC website. Know what I found? Diseases. Which is what they're paid to do. Guns are not a disease. When the CDC cures HIV, Ebola and Hepatitus they can branch out. Until then, stick to the mission at hand. Or change the name.
You didn't look very far.
http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/
http://www.cdc.gov/injury/index.html
http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/index.html

Why bother with a costly change of name?

Second, much like religious freedoms and church, are you seeing a lack of anti-gun organizations in this country?
What do anti-gun organizations have to do with the CDC being prevented from doing research on firearm-related deaths?

And third, I don't do persecution complexes. I don't try putting words an anyone's mouth. I ask for responses to relevent questions. To your credit, you did. So let's stay on track and leave the bs accusations to the dear departed.
The leading questions above say otherwise, but I'll not press the point.

First of all, no I have no idea what you were talking about.
[...]
I read the links provided and the concerns stated in them are very real. Minimize them all you want, I was involved in the issue back then and the NRA had a valid point.
...that's why I assumed you knew what I was talking about. But that's another I'll not press. In fact: sorry for the assumption.

In fact...why am I getting into this? There's nothing to get into; I've simply described a situation: the NRA has put great effort, successfully, into preventing the CDC from doing research into the effect of firearms on the health of the country. This hinders our ability to learn from this Georgian example. I believe this is unfortunate. Punkt.
 

Mayhem

Banned
What research are you having trouble finding? What research, what numbers, what statistics do you feel is unavailable to you? What demographic, what state, county or municipality remains shrouded from the light of day? What do you think remains hidden from you, me and everyone else? Why is the CDC so important to you? There's the Justice Dept., in its entirety; the FBI, the Dept. of Homeland Security, police forces at the state, county and municipal level. What loop are you being left out of?

If you think I'm trolling you, I'm not. If you think I'm "putting words in your mouth", I'm not. I am trying to get you to articulate and define your position...and you're not. We've got Aussies, Brits, Krauts and Frenchies all presuming to tell me/us what American Constitutional Law is. Hell, I've only been doing this for the last 25+ years. Every recorded word of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, et al has been examined by me and my friends. Crime figures, FBI stats, Detroit, Washington DC, Chicago...done it. Brady, Sorkin, Maher, O'Donnell, Piers Morgan, and you. None of you has changed a damn thing and this, right here is why. Hell, I mentally begged Aaron Sorkin to put together a West Wing episode that I could consider a challenge. He fell flat on his ass three separate times and has apparently given up on it entirely (although I have high/low hopes for this final season of The Newsroom coming up. He'll probably blow it again). Leave it to the anti-gunners to make being a pro-gunner boring. I had to switch over to saving the fuckin' whales just to stay awake around here.

Get your shit together or find another cause. This constant bitching about the NRA is as effective as chipping granite with your nose. Using some CDC suppression conspiracy theory, even as a parenthetical, is a waste of everyone's time. This is why you're losing. Virginia Tech, Aurora, Sandy Hook...and you're blaming the whole thing on the CDC not repeating what a dozen other sources have already said. This is why you're losing. Either find a way to make a better point or stick to what the Mannheim City Council is doing about pigeon shit on lamp posts.
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
What research are you having trouble finding? What research, what numbers, what statistics do you feel is unavailable to you? What demographic, what state, county or municipality remains shrouded from the light of day? What do you think remains hidden from you, me and everyone else? Why is the CDC so important to you? There's the Justice Dept., in its entirety; the FBI, the Dept. of Homeland Security, police forces at the state, county and municipal level. What loop are you being left out of?
See earlier links. Read them this time if you're honestly interested in the answers to your questions.

This constant bitching about the NRA is as effective as chipping granite with your nose.
On this we agree. But it doesn't paint the pleasant color you want to see.

This is why you're losing.
Losing what, exactly?

Using some CDC suppression conspiracy theory, even as a parenthetical, is a waste of everyone's time.
Interesting bar for 'conspiracy theory' you have.

Virginia Tech, Aurora, Sandy Hook...and you're blaming the whole thing on the CDC not repeating what a dozen other sources have already said.
Ah look, words in my mouth.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I think the law goes a bit too far myself. I mean, any reasonable person would have to agree that guns and alcohol really don't go together very well so I see a good likelihood for a serious uptick in shooting incidents at Georgia roadhouses in the near future. Guns allowed in certain government buildings? Like the tax office for instance? The DMV? Hmmm....somehow, I see that not going too well. Also, I would be concerned about this:

The new law removes a restriction that prevented those convicted of certain misdemeanors from getting a gun permit. And in a provision that has some law enforcement officials concerned, police will not be able to detain a person "for the sole purpose of investigating whether such a person has a weapons carry license."

So, if a cop sees a gun lying on the passenger seat of my car, he cannot detain me to see if the gun is registered and legally owned and licensed by self without alternative probable cause? Wow....that's the second amendment gone crazy in my book.

I'm all for responsible gun owners being able to exercise their constitutional rights. However, none of our freedoms are absolute....except now perhaps the "right to bear arms" in the state of Georgia. I don't suppose Texas will be slow to follow the Peach State's lead. Welcome to Dodge City, folks! :ak47: :violent:
 
So, if a cop sees a gun lying on the passenger seat of my car, he cannot detain me to see if the gun is registered and legally owned and licensed by self without alternative probable cause? Wow....that's the second amendment gone crazy in my book.

I agree, that's on the absurd end of the spectrum. It's like law enforcement officers not being able to inquire into someone's immigration status. And I'm not being glib.
 

rivasky

the special one
I hope to see mass killings in Georgia.
 
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