Fucking North Korea

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Because china really is a superpower and as such can do what she wishes.
The U.S. on the other hand...

Hate to admit it but it doesn't look like we're negotiating from a position of strength. I don't know if we're weak or we choose to be patsies. Troubling.

 

[HansMoleman]

Hate to admit it but it doesn't look like we're negotiating from a position of strength. I don't know if we're weak or we choose to be patsies. Troubling.

Sometimes negotiating from a position of strength is a negative thing. I think of Iran and how our policies have only made the regime stronger there. I don't know whats the best policy against NK, but the tougher we get might actually work against us.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Sometimes negotiating from a position of strength is a negative thing. I think of Iran and how our policies have only made the regime stronger there. I don't know whats the best policy against NK, but the tougher we get might actually work against us.

I definitely don't want war either. I do resent what's going on but have zero solution for it. I really feel bad for the South Koreans.

 

[JaanaRuutu]

There is no conspiracy here as far as Russia and China trying to "bait" the US into war. hat's absolute nonsense. All of this talk is mostly for Kim to "win" the people over- I'm convinced all of the shit he's spewing isn't meant for the outside world, but for the people within the country. I'm not scared. Watch the Vice Youtube documentary on North Korea, they're nuts. And they have to know that a war with America would mean the end of their reign, even if China backed them up(which i really don't think they would if NK struck first).

 

[georges]

kim is a freaking commie and should die

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

kim is a freaking commie and should die

If you whack 'Tardhead I'll give you 10 bucks. Please do it. Just don't make a scene. Anybody wearing a fur coat over there that buys the farm gets extra points too. Those people need to be freed from their cult leader.

 

[horn_dog]

I think Obama should pick up the damn phone, just like Adam here says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tkWloHn0j8

 

[JaanaRuutu]

I think Obama should pick up the damn phone, just like Adam here says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tkWloHn0j8

This guy's an idiot who doesn't understand the situation nor does he understand the history of North korea. this foll ACTUALLY thinks Kim Jung Un is in control here?This Adam fellow is absolutely clueless.

 

[sean miguel]

I think Obama should pick up the damn phone, just like Adam here says: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tkWloHn0j8

It really does come down to basketball diplomacy. Forget President Obama, LeBron James could end this, today.

 

[horn_dog]

Forget President Obama, LeBron James could end this, today.

Well, if you'd have to choose one person from the NBA to make peace, then surely King James would be it.

 

[spacearrow99]

Jang Sung-taek and Kim Kyong-hui his wife and the sister of Kim Jong -il are probably running North Korea. The U. S. main contribution for a potential with North Korea would be airpower. The South Kore's Army (ROK Army) is one of largest, best equipped, and trained Armies in the world. South Korea does not want a war; a good portion of that country would be devastated in a war with North Korea. Plus, the taking of North Korea could make Iraq look like child's play. War with North Korea will not occur; unless North Korea launches nuclear armed ICBM at Japan, U. S., or South Korea

 

[horn_dog]

"the taking of North Korea could make Iraq look like child's play." Just curious, how? Are the I'd imagine North Koreans to be happy to be free. The country's smaller as well.

 

[tartanterrier]

The poor fuckers probably think they are still in the Cold War,and young mighty Kim is flying the commie flag :bsflag:

We'll see how long it'll take for him to finally see sense

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

 

[vodkazvictim]

Hate to admit it but it doesn't look like we're negotiating from a position of strength. I don't know if we're weak or we choose to be patsies. Troubling.

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Nah I don't think I will.

There is no conspiracy here as far as Russia and China trying to "bait" the US into war

Sure about that? If so, why?

. hat's absolute nonsense. All of this talk is mostly for Kim to "win" the people over- I'm convinced all of the shit he's spewing isn't meant for the outside world, but for the people within the country.

I agree.

I'm not scared. Watch the Vice Youtube documentary on North Korea, they're nuts. And they have to know that a war with America would mean the end of their reign, even if China backed them up(which i really don't think they would if NK struck first).

Sure about that?

kim is a freaking commie and should die

Enough of your leftist nonsense you Lenin-loving commie pinko! Stop posting on FO until you've payed for something with a model.
And stop claiming benefits! I don't pay my taxes for you to be a parasite!

Jang Sung-taek and Kim Kyong-hui his wife and the sister of Kim Jong -il are probably running North Korea. The U. S. main contribution for a potential with North Korea would be airpower. The South Kore's Army (ROK Army) is one of largest, best equipped, and trained Armies in the world. South Korea does not want a war; a good portion of that country would be devastated in a war with North Korea. Plus, the taking of North Korea could make Iraq look like child's play. War with North Korea will not occur; unless North Korea launches nuclear armed ICBM at Japan, U. S., or South Korea

Hmmm... not entirely sure.
The way I see it the mountainous terrain of NK will give the defenders an incredible advantage.
On the other hand they're fucked as a country, I'm sure their military is fucked, that they don't train and have no experience and that moral will be poor.
I suspect that in comparison to Iraq:
1: The mountainous terrain will give the defenders an advantage (compare that to the wide open deserts of Iraq).
2: The troops will have extremely poor moral (so did the Iraqis, but never mind).
3: NK equipment will be poor quality (just like Iraq).
4: There will be no insurgency (the toughest part of Iraq)
5: NK forces will be paralysed once their command centres have been eliminated because their despotic country discourages thought and/or action without approval from above.

In conclusion an N.K. military force in itself will be easier to defeat than the Iraqi military and there will be no long-running insurgency to deal with (no reason to be loyal to the current system which discourages religion, apparently regarding it as another form of brainwashing), however the mountainous terrain will cause logistical problems for both sides and will make it much harder for air-power to be utilised effectively.

 

[lurkingdirk]

 

[horn_dog]

^Would be even funnier if that pic were from Paris and not Vegas... Still funny though.

 

[spacearrow99]

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Hmmm... not entirely sure.
The way I see it the mountainous terrain of NK will give the defenders an incredible advantage.
On the other hand they're fucked as a country, I'm sure their military is fucked, that they don't train and have no experience and that moral will be poor.
I suspect that in comparison to Iraq:
1: The mountainous terrain will give the defenders an advantage (compare that to the wide open deserts of Iraq).
2: The troops will have extremely poor moral (so did the Iraqis, but never mind).
3: NK equipment will be poor quality (just like Iraq).
4: There will be no insurgency (the toughest part of Iraq)
5: NK forces will be paralysed once their command centres have been eliminated because their despotic country discourages thought and/or action without approval from above.

In conclusion an N.K. military force in itself will be easier to defeat than the Iraqi military and there will be no long-running insurgency to deal with (no reason to be loyal to the current system which discourages religion, apparently regarding it as another form of brainwashing), however the mountainous terrain will cause logistical problems for both sides and will make it much harder for air-power to be utilised effectively.

Most of your points are massive guesses at best. Considering, we talking about a country that the most military personnel in the world. The West has little information about the moral of North Korean troops. The North Korea's mountainous terrian will turn this potential conflict into a mostly infantry and artillery war. North Korea has a large supply of both of infantry and artillery. North Korea has had ample time to construct their defenses. Airpower will play a major role, but it has lesser role in mountainous war. Most bombs cannot destroy underground mountainous defenses.

 

[sean miguel]

"the taking of North Korea could make Iraq look like child's play." Just curious, how? Are the I'd imagine North Koreans to be happy to be free. The country's smaller as well.

If we're to go by history, chinese "volunteers" might get involved.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Most of your points are massive guesses at best.

I don't think them unreasonable deductions. If you believe I'm wrong, then please say so.

Considering, we talking about a country that the most military personnel in the world

Most doesn't mean best. If I remember correctly then Saddam's Iraq had the 5th largest armed force in the world at the onset of GW1. They didn't fare well, did they?

. The West has little information about the moral of North Korean troops

Looking at life in N.K. I believe it's reasonable to say that moral is low. Unless you think starvation, beatings and a F.U.D. mentality lend a lot to moral in a country.

. The North Korea's mountainous terrian will turn this potential conflict into a mostly infantry and artillery war

While it will limit the use of tanks, I believe that if we see conflict it will feature rotary wing a lot and air supremacy will quickly be gained and maintained by allied fixed wing.

. North Korea has a large supply of both of infantry and artillery

Doesn't mean either is any good. Who is to say all those troops won't just surrender in the hope of a prosperous new life in S.K.? Hoe often do you think those N.K. gunners practice? How well maintained do you think their weapons are? In a mountainous country (read limited mobility for SPAGS) who's to say how long any battery will last before counter-fire or fast air eliminates it? Even for the amout of time that it is operational, it will have difficulty striking accurately against allied targets in mountainous terrain and even then, mountainous terrain can provide a measure of cover from artillery attack.

. North Korea has had ample time to construct their defenses

I assure you that they can be destroyed very quickly (IE bunker buster). I suspect the largest problem with their defences will be locating them in the terrain.

. Airpower will play a major role,

Agreed

but it has lesser role in mountainous war. Most bombs cannot destroy underground mountainous defenses.

While you have a point, airpower can cave in the entrances to a tunnel network and anything hiding underground isn't really fighting the enemy above ground.
If the enemy dominates the battlefield above ground then they do just that; dominate the battlefield above ground.

If we're to go by history, chinese "volunteers" might get involved.

Scary thought. Can't rule it out.
If Afghanistan is anyhing to go by they'll settle for giving the chinese their latest body armour and mines.
Then again, last time china helped N.K. it regretted it.