The lights go out in Bahrain and we are underway!
Formula 1 2012
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Vettel wins in Bahrain!
Schumi made it into the points, from 22nd.
Hamilton didn't really have a chance against Vettel today, missed though what happened that he ended up back there, did he have some contact with Rosberg or something?
Great to see the Iceman back on the Podium.
Lewis stays in front of team-mate Buton, who had some bad luck in the 2nd to last round, hopefully the 2 McLaren's will perform better at Barça in 2 weeks.
Hamilton didn't really have a chance against Vettel today, missed though what happened that he ended up back there, did he have some contact with Rosberg or something?
Great to see the Iceman back on the Podium.
Lewis stays in front of team-mate Buton, who had some bad luck in the 2nd to last round, hopefully the 2 McLaren's will perform better at Barça in 2 weeks.
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Lewis had pit stop problems - lost around 17 seconds in the pits in total which screwed his race.
Renault power takes the top 4 spots
I don't see that as being pointless. I see that as being fair! That's the problem with the the DRS's implementation I have. The way they have it now seems very gimmicky and artificial not to mention unsportsmanlike. Why can't thy have a certain amount of time the system can be activated by anybody, like say 30 seconds the entire race, and have anybody use it how they see fit? That would allow people to pass ever so often strategically with it, and if a driver has saved it up they can even defend with it.
The faster car, or at least the one that has managed to get into the front in normal circumstances should be in front. They way they have it now would be like having a marathon race and allowing everybody a few minutes in back of somebody in front of them to hop into a car to either pull up next to them or pass them despite the person in front spending all that time getting in front and having the lead, and using the excuse that, "well it makes everything more exciting". It just seems cheap, and it actually punishes people for being better than somebody else or at least devising a situation and using strategy where they ended up being in a better place (which is all part of being better than the guy behind you also).
Race Standings:
1) Sebastian Vettel
2) Kimi Raikkonen
3) Romain Grosjean
4) Mark Webber
5) Nico Rosberg
6) Paul Di Resta
7) Fernando Alonso
8) Lewis Hamilton
9) Felipe Massa
10) Michael Schumacher
Fastest Lap:
Sebastian Vettel (1:36.379)
Did Not Finish:
Charles Pic
Pastor Maldonado
Bruno Senna
Jenson Button
Drivers Standings:
1) Sebastian Vettel - 53
2) Lewis Hamilton - 49
3) Mark Webber - 48
4) Fernando Alonso - 43
4) Jenson Button - 43
Constructors Standings:
1) Red Bull - 101
2) McLaren - 92
3) Lotus - 57
4) Ferrari - 45
5) Mercedes - 37
1) Sebastian Vettel
2) Kimi Raikkonen
3) Romain Grosjean
4) Mark Webber
5) Nico Rosberg
6) Paul Di Resta
7) Fernando Alonso
8) Lewis Hamilton
9) Felipe Massa
10) Michael Schumacher
Fastest Lap:
Sebastian Vettel (1:36.379)
Did Not Finish:
Charles Pic
Pastor Maldonado
Bruno Senna
Jenson Button
Drivers Standings:
1) Sebastian Vettel - 53
2) Lewis Hamilton - 49
3) Mark Webber - 48
4) Fernando Alonso - 43
4) Jenson Button - 43
Constructors Standings:
1) Red Bull - 101
2) McLaren - 92
3) Lotus - 57
4) Ferrari - 45
5) Mercedes - 37
Thanks, I was zapping a bit between channels (here it's either watch it on pay-tv, or have tons of commercial interruptions on the free-to-air broadcast) so when I turned back on Lewis was already behind, and they said something about an investigation after the race concerning Cars 4 and 8 (Lewis and Nico)
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
The way DRS is set up now, you have to get within 1 second to activate the system. How you get to within 1 second could be based on race craft or just the leading driver's bad luck in a turn or something. If a driver is way behind, DRS will do him no good as things stand now.
I've just never cared for "push-to-pass" or KERS because there is typically no advantage. The following driver activates his to pass, and the leading driver activates his not to be ******. That's why I can't see the point. Since all KERS systems have a maximum output, unless one car has a broken system, or one driver or the other discharges the system before the other, they just play "follow the leader". Plus, KERS is crazy expensive (putting the small teams at a disadvantage), dangerous and complex. I was hoping they'd drop it when they move to turbos in 2014, but it sounds like they're going to stick with it.
But with all that said, if they went to DRS regulations that allowed what you're suggesting (a maximum number of times it could be used per race... anywhere on the track... no matter the gap), I'd be OK with that too. And instead of KERS, they could just allow for a limited amount of extra turbo boost in 2014 (just like P2P was back in the Champ Car days). KERS was just F1's attempt to appear "green" - kind of like the silly diesel rules at Le Mans. I just haven't seen any evidence that it's improved the racing (unless it stopped working on somebody's car), while there's no doubt that the enhanced slipstream, that DRS allows, has made for some exciting racing on the "Tilke circuits" that F1 races on these days.
But hey, the racing has been pretty amazing this year. So right now, I'm not really in favor of them changing anything. In 2014, my big hope is they'll open up the engine regs at least a bit. Let's see who can build the best turbo mouse trap.
But I figure that the engine regs will be just as tight as they are now (if not more so), and engines will play a smaller and smaller role in the sport as time goes on. At least that stupid Cosworth "crate motor" plan, along with the "world engine" that Max "Spanky" Mosley came up with, are pretty much dead now. Pretty good race today though. Not nearly as good as China, but decent enough. Real suck race for McLaren. They need to fire some people, IMO. And I can't believe that Rosberg avoided a penalty for those shoving moves on Hamilton and Alonso. If Hamilton had done that, he'd have probably gotten penalties both times. By the next race, he'd be lucky to be starting 24th. Hell, they'd probably make him start 24th... from the pit lane... two laps after the race began.
larss
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Thanks, I was zapping a bit between channels (here it's either watch it on pay-tv, or have tons of commercial interruptions on the free-to-air broadcast) so when I turned back on Lewis was already behind, and they said something about an investigation after the race concerning Cars 4 and 8 (Lewis and Nico)
Nico drove Lewis off the track as he overtook and then complained that Lewis was off the track when he overtook.
He did the same to Alonso - Nico is not being penalised for either incident - Premium Link Upgrade
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Mclaren pit stops were a mess, hopefully they won't make any mistakes in the next race.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
True! Very true! McLaren has built a great car for 2012. But all through this season, so far, they've muffed pitstops for one or both cars EVERY frickin' race! The incompetence of the team in the pits is giving away the championships!!!
This is something that Ferrari and Red Bull aren't doing. In fact, Ferrari is doing a great job using well executed pitstops and strategy to make up for not having a very good car. And for the past several years, Red Bull has pretty much been the class of the field in pitstops. I was a Ferrari fan when Berger and Alesi were there back in the 90's. And back then, the Ferrari team was a joke when it came to pitstops. The joke was they had too much of that good Italian **** before the races, and they were too ***** to make sure the wheels were on right. I think McLaren needs to clean house on that pit crew. Swap crews with HRT. Hell, I think even they're doing as good a job in the pits as McLaren - and they probably work cheap.
Who, when, where?
Jim Clark Lotus
Jackie Stewart, BRM
Not sure who drove the Ferrari
Banking of Monza, I think, and rear cowls look like pre-3.0L cars, so... '65?
Jackie Stewart, BRM
Not sure who drove the Ferrari
Banking of Monza, I think, and rear cowls look like pre-3.0L cars, so... '65?
The last guy is John Surtees, and the rest of it is right
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Mugello testing is next week, HRT will not be there.
This is a little late, but Rosberg and Schumacher are appearing at the DTM opener this weekend. Rosberg is driving Juan Manuel Fangio's W196 and Schumacher is supposed to drive the team's car from last year tomorrow.
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