Flee or Fight

[Purple†Pain]

Two stay in the middle east? or not to stay.My feeling is that if we leave without victory, then we would be the second country that came home with our tail between our legs, defeated by the Tali.
And if we leave? did all those who paid the ultimate sacrifice die in vain?

Pain out

 

[FAH-Q]

there is no way to win this war. lets just pull out and let them do what they want. but they must heed, anymore bullshit we nuke. :1orglaugh

 

[calpoon]

what is victory? ******* every single person in the middle east, or the world, that doesn't want a foreign military ***** to occupy their country?

good luck with that. I take it you are voting mccain because he is correct that that will take a hundred years or more.

we've allready achieved victory, we got rid of saddam huessain, we, well we didn't really get rid of the WMDs because they weren't there, but OK... we can claim credit for neutralizing the threat of WMDs. Remember "Mission accomplished"? we did what we set out to do, which was to remove the supposed immediate threat to the US.

 

[Legzman]

Iran is working on nuclear technology. We missed the mark there. They may not have WMDs yet. But its only a matter of time till they get nukes and use em!

 

[Purple†Pain]

Iran is working on nuclear technology. We missed the mark there. They may not have WMDs yet. But its only a matter of time till they get nukes and use em!

I like the way Leg Thinks

 

[calpoon]

Who Would Jesus Bomb?

 

[ninetysixcavy]

Iran is working on nuclear technology. We missed the mark there. They may not have WMDs yet. But its only a matter of time till they get nukes and use em!

Hope you like getting drafted. We have no business in the M.E. I don't really care what happens over there anymore. Let Iran have the nukes, then let Europe and Israel deal with them. It's not our problem!

 

[D-rock]

And if we leave? did all those who paid the ultimate sacrifice die in vain?

Maybe an even better question would be to ask is if we send more people over there to die than have already done so, do they die in vain for a stupid decision the country made years ago? As far as people dying in vain, that ship set sail when the choice was made to go in there without any reasonable reason for doing so.

 

[FAH-Q]

Hope you like getting drafted. We have no business in the M.E. I don't really care what happens over there anymore. Let Iran have the nukes, then let Europe and Israel deal with them. It's not our problem!

but it is america's problem if they nuke europe. in terms of money, sure, but its the american way. :1orglaugh

 

[meesterperfect]

Iran is working on nuclear technology. We missed the mark there. They may not have WMDs yet. But its only a matter of time till they get nukes and use em!

Your probably right about the second part, but we havnt exactly missed the mark yet. There is still time to correct that situation but only if the leaders of other countries have the balls to step up. If the U.S. fights Iran alone on this of course everybody including Americans will crucify them for this. Plus fighting Iran in Iran will take huge resources and lives. I guess the world is just gonna sit back and wait for it to happen like a bunch of lamb in a slaughterhouse.
As far as splitting from Iraq soon, its obvious then the country will basically turn into Al Qaudaville and we'll wind up just going back but this time on their turf.
And that will be a major war.
The truth is we need help in Iraq or more precisely against Al Qauda. Or do nothing/continue like this and be like those lamb.

 

[Legzman]

There is still time to correct that situation but only if the leaders of other countries have the balls to step up. If the U.S. fights Iran alone on this of course everybody including Americans will crucify them for this. Plus fighting Iran in Iran will take huge resources and lives. I guess the world is just gonna sit back and wait for it to happen like a bunch of lamb in a slaughterhouse.

Exactly, other countries won't step up. And then we'll all be surprised when either Iran nukes someone or sells the technology to Al Qaida. Remember the leader of Iran is more fucked in the head than saddam ever could hope to be!

 

[ninetysixcavy]

Exactly, other countries won't step up. And then we'll all be surprised when either Iran nukes someone or sells the technology to Al Qaida. Remember the leader of Iran is more fucked in the head than saddam ever could hope to be!

Cause the American media says he is? :dunno: They were the same propagators that sold us the Iraq war, and everybody bought it.

 

[titsrock]

The OP needs to brush up on history and current events. The Taliban didn't defeat the Russians. They couldn't have. They were not in existence. They only came about to govern Afghanistan about the same time Osama was thrown out of the Sudan--back in the mid-1990s. We fought them because, as President Bush said after 9/11, we will fight terrorists and the countries who harbor them...the Taliban, it's not hard to imagine, received support from Osama...money and fighters.

The OP also demonstrated an incredible arrogance over just who "we're fighting" and what we're doing there now. I am sad to think that many, many, uninformed Repubs also share those views...that it doesn't actually matter who we're fighting or why we're fighting, just that "we win":dunno:

To answer this question...YES WE NEED TO LEAVE THE MIDDLE EAST. We have removed Saddam, for better or worse, and we have created a climate for Democracy to "blossom" in Iraq. Whether it does or doesn't isn't our problem anymore...Iraq's WMD "threat" whatever real or phony, is no longer...it's OIL RESERVES...if they still exist...can be brought to market.

The job is done. We need to come home. The Middle East has been around for thousands of years. It will remain long after our troops are gone....

 

[calpoon]

let's fight about it. heads or tails?

 

[bombardier52]

The OP needs to brush up on history and current events. The Taliban didn't defeat the Russians. They couldn't have. They were not in existence. They only came about to govern Afghanistan about the same time Osama was thrown out of the Sudan--back in the mid-1990s. We fought them because, as President Bush said after 9/11, we will fight terrorists and the countries who harbor them...the Taliban, it's not hard to imagine, received support from Osama...money and fighters.

The OP also demonstrated an incredible arrogance over just who "we're fighting" and what we're doing there now. I am sad to think that many, many, uninformed Repubs also share those views...that it doesn't actually matter who we're fighting or why we're fighting, just that "we win":dunno:

To answer this question...YES WE NEED TO LEAVE THE MIDDLE EAST. We have removed Saddam, for better or worse, and we have created a climate for Democracy to "blossom" in Iraq. Whether it does or doesn't isn't our problem anymore...Iraq's WMD "threat" whatever real or phony, is no longer...it's OIL RESERVES...if they still exist...can be brought to market.

The job is done. We need to come home. The Middle East has been around for thousands of years. It will remain long after our troops are gone....

So let me get this straight. People who disagree with you are uninformed? Thank goodness they have you to set them straight by telling them...well, that they are uninformed. What bothers you, is it casualties or is it the money?

The reasons for being there are part of the past. The fact that we are there is the present. If we pull out of there now we will be fighting crazies somewhere else at a place probably of their own choosing. You can call me uninformed or whatever you want but I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

But, Iran, yikes! Crazy mullahs with nukes scares the **** out of me. At least you knew Saddam cared about his own survival. The bearded ones might not have that issue.

 

[Mistyck]

Iran has been an issue that we've been avoiding for over 20 years now. Unfortunately we were supplying them through third world parties (unknowingly) with bombs back in the 80's after the Shah had fallen. We've known about their abilities for a long time, but now it's soon to be coming to a head.

As for the Iraq situation, I think that what was supposed to be a "get in, get it done, get out" has now turned into a whole other batch of rotten eggs. I don't believe that the country is going to accept the governmental help we're trying to offer them, but they will accept the monetary help we're offering them.

I have quite a few friends that are being deployed again. Most of them are on their 3rd and 4th deployment. Then I have friends that can't wait to be deployed. It's a wonderful thing to have MEN who want to serve and are willing to go out there and help not only THEIR country, but other countries as well. I just hope that everyone stays safe, and comes home as quickly as they can.

 

[calpoon]

Iraq is developing weapons and they are aiding terrorism.

No?

I mean, Iran.

Iran is developing weapons and they are aiding terrorism.

2013 AD: what I meant was lebanon is developing weapons and they are aiding terrorism

 

[Mistyck]

2013 AD: what I meant was lebanon is developing weapons and they are aiding terrorism

Lebanon is not that bad. I have MANY friends from Lebanon. I do NOT see a problem with Lebanon. I might be blind because my friends from there are truly the best people I have ever met, but as of right now, and until I'm proven wrong, I see nothing wrong!

 

[calpoon]

I think you missed the point, while simultaneously proving it.

 

[Mistyck]

No I understand your point, and I'm being purposefully obtuse about it. Trying not to incite a confrontation, because I don't feel like getting into one, and I'm in a good mood.