Eurozone crisis could rip EU apart

[georges]

I think the Euro's great. At least I only have to change my sterling into one currency when I travel in the rest of Europe instead of loads of different ones. :2 cents:

You seem to forget however that the german are paying for other countries debts and the german population is really overbored and tired to assist and pay for other countries catastrophes, same can be said about France. Germany and France are the main locomotives of the European economy but wasting money for rescuing insolvent over the long run countries like Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Italy is a lost cause. I predict you that one day or another the two main locomotives of the Europe will drop the euro because not only it affects their banks very negatively but it also increases their own debts. The euro was a try to rival the dollar but it will never rival the dollar because you buy raw materials and gold in dollars not in euros. The europe of the 15 was a failure from the start and the europe of 27 even worse, a nightmare. For me during the next presidential election, many people will vote against the parties supporting social assisting and the euro which could crucicfy us. Europe was an utopia and it will go to the dogs no matter what the politicians want you to believe.

 

[Vanilla Bear]

Fuck the damn EU. Germany was better on it's own in many ways. I can only hope for the EU to rip apart!

Won't happen. The EU is an excellent thing.

Oh no don't say so!

 

[mrtrebus]

Long live the EU!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pitino]

Fuck the damn EU. Germany was better on it's own in many ways.
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Are you sure?
Germany OWNS billions of money to other countries from world war 2 period.

if Germany pays Greece the money that Greece gave as a loan in WW2 there would be no debt for Greece at all!


anyway
there are games played behind citizen's backs. Time will show the winner

 

[ban-one]

Not in my book. Instead of calling it the EU you should call it the EUSSR. They want to create a superstate and expand their control over countries in the EU. They won't be happy until they've robbed every European citizen of their national indentity and culture and we all bow to our masters in Brussels. After WWII queen Juliana already warned of the dangers of a EU that's too powerfull and if things continue like they do she will be proven right. I can't wait for the EU to collapse like a house of cards so the Netherlands can reclaim it's former position in the world. We were one of the strongest European countries and for decades the Dutch Guilder was one of the strongest currencies in the world. We were a country of importance, when we spoke others listened and our goverment has trown everything away and reduced us to France/German lapdog.

I like that. Maybe if more Europeans felt that way about their countries, things would be better over there. Alittle national pride's a good thing. Just don't take it too far. We don't need another world war.

One minor thing though, I would've called it the 'USSE,' United Socialist States of Europe, but...

Personally, I always thought the EU was just a way for countries like France and Germany, who have tried unsuccessfully to conquer Europe militarily in the past, to do so with a pen and piece of paper instead.

Oh, and has anybody noticed the similarity between that EU Parliament building in France, and a certain tower? Wonder if that has any significance, or if things will turn out the same way? Kinda looking like it might.

 

[ban-one]

It was a dumb idea to join the united states of Europe.

Don't be comparing the EU the US. The EU's made of a bunch of countries that historically hate each other's guts and fought each other for practically forever. It's what you do. (And people wonder why things are so swell over there.) We were a bunch of colonies under one flag, that decided to stay together under a different flag, our own.

Other than that, yes, it was a dumb idea for the European countries to try to come together. History would've told you that would never work. You hate each other too much to work together more than just to stop the current country trying to conquer all of Europe. But that's more of a self-preservation thing.

 

[Supafly]

We germans really should not point fingers at other countries (Especially those we invaded back in the war)

Without massive external help and later bail-outs after WW2, we would be a third-world country.

 

[BigSwede]

Don't be comparing the EU the US.

When states unite they are united states. :dunno:

 

[busenbust]

Long live the EU!!!!!!!!!!!!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:surprise::stir:

 

[ban-one]

When states unite they are united states. :dunno:

Two different types of 'states' and two different types of 'unions.'

As to the 'states,' ours are little 's' states, basically a subdivision of a country. The EU's are big 'S' States, countries. And despite what some may say, there is nothing above country. The LN/UN or EU does something you don't like, you tell 'em to take a long walk of a short pier, and as a sovereign country, you do as you damn well please and what's best for you. (Our states can't really do that.) Even leaving said organization if that's what's best and necessary. That goes for all countries.

As to the 'united,' we all (for the most part anyway) speak the same language, and have the same money and system of measurement (sorta, as most of us use the good old American system of weights and measures, but a few are trying to convert us to metric, no thank you), have one military to declare and wage war with (our states and their national guards can't declare or wage war), have one national anthem (our state songs don't get played before every event and no one stands for them), and more importantly, our states (as individuals) could not survive if they left our union (except maybe Texas, as they used to be a country). Europe's States have and can survive on their own, each country pretty much has its own language, you each have your own anthem, you each have your own military to declare and wage war with, you each used to have your own money and some still do (England), and some still use their form of weights and measures (again England). We're more united than you guys are. You guys are trying to go against history and become something you're not.

 

[Supafly]

I think you should read a bit more about the laws the EU lay down. Many countries have a hard time but have to - if unwilling - accept them.

 

[ban-one]

I think you should read a bit more about the laws the EU lay down. Many countries have a hard time but have to - if unwilling - accept them.

I assume you're talking to me.

I don't have (nor care) to read the laws of some group my country's not apart of to know that a sovereign country can do what it damn well pleases, and only has to accept something if they are first militarily taken to task. Then the victor, and only the victor, can tell them what to do.

Our states have to abide by what the US government says because they forfeited that level of government to the US. Your States have not forfeited that level of government to anyone just yet and can tell the EU to take a flying leap because they are sovereign countries. Just like we, the US, don't have to (and shouldn't) do anything the UN says, you don't either, because we are sovereign countries. There is nothing above our countries' governments that we or our nations must abide by. And I don't know about you, but my country's got a signed piece of paper that says my country's government and it's laws are the supreme law of the land here. (I don't know about over there, but over here, there's alotta people who could care less what the UN says and have absolutely zero intentions of doing anything they say because we are a sovereign country, we did not elect them, and they do not and cannot control us, and have zero power over us. We're Americans and no one tells us what to do. Y'all need to get some of that before it's too late.) Meaning no group can tell me or my country what to do until they kick our butts first. And I don't see that happening.

 

[Supafly]

Than just quit commenting on this issue. But ah well, it's a porn boards, you go right ahead

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

I assume you're talking to me.

I don't have (nor care) to read the laws of some group my country's not apart of to know that a sovereign country can do what it damn well pleases, and only has to accept something if they are first militarily taken to task. Then the victor, and only the victor, can tell them what to do.

Our states have to abide by what the US government says because they forfeited that level of government to the US. Your States have not forfeited that level of government to anyone just yet and can tell the EU to take a flying leap because they are sovereign countries. Just like we, the US, don't have to (and shouldn't) do anything the UN says, you don't either, because we are sovereign countries. There is nothing above our countries' governments that we or our nations must abide by. And I don't know about you, but my country's got a signed piece of paper that says my country's government and it's laws are the supreme law of the land here. (I don't know about over there, but over here, there's alotta people who could care less what the UN says and have absolutely zero intentions of doing anything they say because we are a sovereign country, we did not elect them, and they do not and cannot control us, and have zero power over us. We're Americans and no one tells us what to do. Y'all need to get some of that before it's too late.) Meaning no group can tell me or my country what to do until they kick our butts first. And I don't see that happening.

:goodpost:

 

[emceeemcee]

I don't know about over there, but over here, there's alotta people who could care less what the UN says and have absolutely zero intentions of doing anything they say because we are a sovereign country, we did not elect them, and they do not and cannot control us, and have zero power over us

The USA, as a UN member, agreed to abide by the UN charter along with all the other UN members. And the US is subject to the Laws of War just like every other nation on the planet (there was a reason why Bush cancelled his trip to Switzerland- he faced possible arrest)



Just like every other uneducated UN-hater you are ignorant of how it functions or what it even is.

 

[Straight Shooter]

Europe is a joke right now

 

[ban-one]

The USA, as a UN member, agreed to abide by the UN charter along with all the other UN members.

We can also leave when we feel it's no longer suiting our needs. Like, since its inception. (before, really) Also, the UN has changed since it was created. Back then, it was our puppet (for the most part). Now it's not, and is trying to be the overlord of the world and tell us all what to do. To that I say, we are Americans, and we will be ruled by no one. No more support, get the hell out of my country, and take a very long walk of a short pier into the trash heap of history where it belongs.

And the US is subject to the Laws of War just like every other nation on the planet (there was a reason why Bush cancelled his trip to Switzerland- he faced possible arrest)

What does that have to do with anything? (And by the way, I seriously doubt Switzerland or any other country would arrest our President. Our DOJ under Obama hasn't even tried that one. A, they'd hafta get past all the security, and B, do you really think they would they want the full wrath of the US raining down upon them? Go ask Japan how well that turns out.) Oh, and not every country is subject to the laws of war. Just the stupid ones who signed the treaty that limits what you can and can't do, and can and can't use. That's a joke. The whole point of war is to kill people and break things until your enemy loses the will and ability to fight back. Now we gotta tip-toe our way through wars and that drags things out. Just level 'em and be done with it.

Just like every other uneducated UN-hater you are ignorant of how it functions or what it even is.

Mmm, you like calling names, don't you? (I guess you still haven't learned that lesson yet.) I know exactly how it functions and what is done. Billions of dollars and tons of food and medical supplies (from wealthy the member nations, as a form of wealth redistribution) get sent to third-world dictators to prop them and their militaries up, while their people suffer and starve. Then when one goes too far, after hundreds of non-binding, limp-wristed 'threats' of possible action at some future, undetermined date if you don't stop after hundreds more non-binding, limp-wristed 'threats' of possible action at some future, undetermined date, either we (the US) go in, or if the UN blue-hats do go in, it's not good. They do all the atrocities our troops get blamed for. The only time the UN is strong on something is in regard to Israel. It's a place for anti-Semites to gather, bad-mouth Israel, and call for their punishment for just defending themselves. The only reason nothing ever happens is because we stand up to all the non-sense. You've also got countries with atrocious human rights records on the Human Rights Council (or whatever it is, a joke is what it is). On top of that, the whole (public) point of the UN, and its equally ineffective League of Nations predecessor, was to give counties a place to talk, to prevent more wars. How's that working out? But to those who know, the LN and UN were made precisely to create one world government so people who think they know better can tell all us little people what to do and how to live our lives. Progessivism 101.

 

[wingman00]

I hate that toll union.

 

[Boothbabe]

What's really disturbing is how many people don't see what's really going on here. The Crisis is a mass deception. On one hand you have the banks and global corporations who are making record profits wich shouldn't be happening if there really is a crisis. On the other hand you have goverments wich continue to fail to resolve the crisis. They go to the banks asking for a loan and are turned down because the banks view them as unstable unless governments agree to a couple of terms. Some of these terms are limiting social safety nets for people who have lost everything due to the crisis. They also want to limit the social power of unions and limit workers rights. They want to keep the old capitalistic system in place and expand their political influence @ the cost of the individuel while they all point @ each other saying it's the others fault. No one want to accept their responsibility in the current situation wich is why the current ways of dealing with the crisis will faill in the end. It's a game being played by those who have money and power to become even richer and more powerfull and they don't give a damn what happens to you and me.

 

[Will E Worm]

What's really disturbing is how many people don't see what's really going on here. The Crisis is a mass deception. On one hand you have the banks and global corporations who are making record profits wich shouldn't be happening if there really is a crisis. On the other hand you have goverments wich continue to fail to resolve the crisis. They go to the banks asking for a loan and are turned down because the banks view them as unstable unless governments agree to a couple of terms. Some of these terms are limiting social safety nets for people who have lost everything due to the crisis. They also want to limit the social power of unions and limit workers rights. They want to keep the old capitalistic system in place and expand their political influence @ the cost of the individuel while they all point @ each other saying it's the others fault. No one want to accept their responsibility in the current situation wich is why the current ways of dealing with the crisis will faill in the end. It's a game being played by those who have money and power to become even richer and more powerfull and they don't give a damn what happens to you and me.

Yes.

:goodpost:

Capitalism is good as long as monopolies are not allowed to be formed and eventually an Oligarchy.