Dutch government has fallen.

[Member2019]

How is that an indication of how strong Russia's army is? As I recall, Russia won that "war". Meanwhile, with all the strengths of the American military, they haven't been able to stomp out resistance in Iraq. :2 cents:

Nor the Soviets in Afghanistan, at their height.

People shouldn't confuse a defeated nation where people won't sacrifice their neighbors versus gorillas in a defeated nation who will sacrifice their own, fellow people.

One is about defense. The other is about terror.

 

[Trident1]

Thinking the West should become isolationist will never happen, especially the US. We will always have a global presence.
NATO must achieve a success in Afghanistan. The West's most powerful military alliance has no choice but to defeat the Taliban. To do this, the Pakistani ISI and other sympathizers in the armed forces must be rooted out.

 

[Ceska]

...how does the average Dutch citizen view the Netherlands involvement in the War in Afghanistan?
What do the polls show?

http://www.nrc.nl/multimedia/archive/00272/90054-Afghanistan_r_272795a.pdf

According to very recent polling, 66% support withdrawl. (Table #6)
39% think it is even worth the government collapse. (Table #4)

According to research firm Synovate's poll on 2/18/2010, 2/3 find PvdA leader Wouter Bos commitment to end the Dutch mission in Uruzgan province appropriate.

http://digitalehofstad.wordpress.co...-effect-en-de-pvda-peiling-18-02-10-synovate/

 

[JayJohn85]

It didn't take Russia a long time to defeat Georgia; Sarkozy came in about ten days after Russia entered the conflict and negotiated a ceasefire. The entire "war" part took maybe a little over a week.

Look man crushing your small neighbour to the south who obviously didnt really beef up its military is hardly what I call a massive achievement. As I have already stated too probably plenty of georgians where content to accept the outcome in comparison to the likes of afghanistan.

PS> Anyway thats my last hijack

 

[Boothbabe]

Anyway, if you want to know who should be in the next government according to me, check my avatar...

The SP (Socialist Party) has made a complete fool of itself with this video. Are we supposed to take them seriously?

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

The SP (Socialist Party) has made a complete fool of itself with this video. Are we supposed to take them seriously?

I'm confused. How does a tomato represent Socialism? :dunno:

 

[JayJohn85]

It didn't take Russia a long time to defeat Georgia; Sarkozy came in about ten days after Russia entered the conflict and negotiated a ceasefire. The entire "war" part took maybe a little over a week.

Yes you are correct but if you still watched the news avidly like moi on the issue you would have seen for yourself the very point I was on about.....I mean yea sure they rolled out some nice new jets for the flexing propaganda purposes but I would still be dubious as to their capability against a eurofighter or raptor.

Maybe Russia did not want to move away too many assets from the western front I dunno....Armored cavalry they have had lined up since the cold war. Perhaps the west does still consider Russia a threat hence the real reason why the fook we are all in Afghanistan as it is the doorway to Russia. Still anyman who has done his reading on history know that Russia for a long time was in dire economic straits as a result of the cold war and probably is still recovering......A challenger, Leopard or Leclerk MBT would have a serious kill ratio against any T- whatever lol. The Abrams MBT being the best MBT in the world currently, The challenger is probably up there as the brits pretty much worked alongside the yanks on the chobham armor, The yanks just went a step further with depleted uranium(not healthy)

Obviously you haven't been keeping up. Why do you think the whole sweep of Atlantic re-engagement occurred? I seriously think you're views are outta whack from reality there.

Sorry, no. This is utterly false. It hasn't been the case since the '70s. You really need to review tactical and strategic capabilities over the second half of the 20th century. That's reality. Don't be dillusional.

I don't disagree. In fact, if you haven't read, I have repeated stated the US needs to pull back to the Americas. At least then only the Americas hates us.

But without the US in the Middle East and as a combined, Atlantic threat to the Russians, the EU has serious strategic issues. You might live with the fantasy of otherwise, but EU leaders do not. Hell, even the French came around -- that should tell you something!

You don't have to like the US. That's not what I'm arguing. This isn't about "like."

Yes, in the 1940s. No argument there. It's amazing what the Germans were able to accomplish in just 10-15 years.

So, again, I will repeat what I said above ... You really need to review tactical and strategic capabilities over the second half of the 20th century. Honestly, read up on military capabilities of France and the UK through the decades since WWII.

Prior to World War II, the US was really the "Italians of the West" and an "inferior threat." Although the US quickly changed, even faster than 10-15 years that the Germans took. You are completely dillusional and are living in a past that no longer exists.

And the peak was the Suez Incident.

In the future, there will be a new peak, and that's when the US recognizes China has the control, just like the UK woke up to after Suez. I'm afraid it's sooner than later.

Although it might finally be the point where the US returns to only the Americas. And it might still be too late.

The EU's strategic problems lay in the fact that europe isnt really a unified force yet if it ever will be. Plus I imagine like some states in america(some are richer than others etc) not every country can contribute the same amount of assets but where they differ is that unlike the states of the US each member state in the EU holds back its own assets and still thinks like independant sovereign nations.

In regards to China I have based my statement on CIA reports the US has done itself, The last foray they had was that India debacle and you cant say thats hardly far away....Logistically speaking Russia is the only one of the two that "currently" has the power projection capabilities. Dont get me wrong China is constantly trying to correct all its problems and if we slack we will be fucked if anything which unlikely ever happens.

In regards to Germany, The germans themshelves are afraid of themshelves....The yanks and brits still got bases there to this day just like in Japan cause they would shit a brick if the Germans went militant nationalism again....Sure recent air strike caper german guy resigned straight away.

 

[Trident1]

I'm confused. How does a tomato represent Socialism? :dunno:

It's red fat and plump...........and makes a nice squish sound when you stomp on it with a boot.

 

[Lonilover]

Yesterday Geert Wilders has gone from 9 to 24 seats in the Dutch Government , a change in Dutch History. the VVD though is the biggest party who will decide how the new Government is being made.

 

[Trident1]

Yesterday Geert Wilders has gone from 9 to 24 seats in the Dutch Government , a change in Dutch History. the VVD though is the biggest party who will decide how the new Government is being made.

Congrats to him and his party. Job well done. Finally someone has spoken up.:glugglug:

 

[Boothbabe]

Congrats to him and his party. Job well done. Finally someone has spoken up.:glugglug:

Because if we get rid of all the foreigners everything will be ok. No more traffic jams, no more economic crisis, lower healt insurance etc etc etc. That's basically what's he's been saying during his election campaign. The PVV is a joke. They call themselves the party for freedom but the problem is they want to dictate what freedom is.

 

[Gordar]

The SP (Socialist Party) has made a complete fool of itself with this video. Are we supposed to take them seriously?

They asked the help marketing agency a few years ago... This is the result. The tomato, which was changed from a tomato being thrown into a tomato which hardly looks like a tomato was also their idea. (I believe they should fire the agent...)

I'm confused. How does a tomato represent Socialism? :dunno:

Well, the tomato was originally meant for 1 election year only. It was originally a depiction of a tomato being thrown at something & was supposed to mean that the SP would throw tomatos (they could also have chosen rotten eggs, or if the Netherlands had been an Islamic country, shoes, but they chose the tomato because it's red) at the ruling government.

People started to identify the SP with the tomato, so it stuck. These days the SP is one of the few dutch political parties with an icon people actually know.

Because if we get rid of all the foreigners everything will be ok. No more traffic jams, no more economic crisis, lower healt insurance etc etc etc. That's basically what's he's been saying during his election campaign. The PVV is a joke. They call themselves the party for freedom but the problem is they want to dictate what freedom is.

You've got it wrong. All problems will be solved if we get rid of Muslim foreigners. At least, according to Wilders.

 

[roronoa3000]

Dutch government has fallen.

I thought the punch line was...and they can't get up. :dunno:

 

[Trident1]

Because if we get rid of all the foreigners everything will be ok. No more traffic jams, no more economic crisis, lower healt insurance etc etc etc. That's basically what's he's been saying during his election campaign. The PVV is a joke. They call themselves the party for freedom but the problem is they want to dictate what freedom is.

Well the way things are going muslim agitators are trying to subvert Dutch freedoms from within.

You guys became so tolerant as to become intolerant to those who spoke out against the agitators.

 

[Boothbabe]

Well the way things are going muslim agitators are trying to subvert Dutch freedoms from within.

You guys became so tolerant as to become intolerant to those who spoke out against the agitators.

Muslim agitators, don't make me laugh. There is no radical Islam of any significance in the Netherlands. The media focusses on a small group of young moroccan males who tend to cause trouble for reasons not related to Islam and uses it to justify saying Islam as a whole is a danger to Dutch culture and most people swallow whatever the media spoonfeeds them. The vast majority of Muslims in the Netherlands want what you and I want. To lead a normal life. To be happy and have a good job. And now Wilders has entered the picture. He prays on people's unfounded fears and he says Muslims are the cause of all problems and people believe him because it's easier to have a scapegoat than to actually come together as a nation (wich includes Muslims) and work together @ making this a better and stronger country. People don't realize they can accomplish far more by building bridges and including the Muslim society than by outcasting them.

 

[Supafly]

I have the strong feeling that some day soon, that Wilders guy will be found in a sex tape with a big black dick in his mouth.

Sooo many of these far-right guys are closet homosexuals.

And then he will be history I guess.

Not that I would not feel happy for him having a bit of stress release

 

[Trident1]

Muslim agitators, don't make me laugh. There is no radical Islam of any significance in the Netherlands. The media focusses on a small group of young moroccan males who tend to cause trouble for reasons not related to Islam and uses it to justify saying Islam as a whole is a danger to Dutch culture and most people swallow whatever the media spoonfeeds them. The vast majority of Muslims in the Netherlands want what you and I want. To lead a normal life. To be happy and have a good job. And now Wilders has entered the picture. He prays on people's unfounded fears and he says Muslims are the cause of all problems and people believe him because it's easier to have a scapegoat than to actually come together as a nation (wich includes Muslims) and work together @ making this a better and stronger country. People don't realize they can accomplish far more by building bridges and including the Muslim society than by outcasting them.

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Lighten up Francis.

The vast this.....the vast that.....yadda yadda yadda. Time will come when you will have to step up and defend your values from those who want to take them away................and it ain't Wilders.

 

[Facetious]

Re: Dutch government has fallen.


Maybe not if you consider that out of all of the conflicts going on in the world today, all but one or two are a result of m's not getting along with their neighbors. Clearly we have aggressive people on our hands.

Food for thought is all :dunno:

 

[Trident1]

Re: Dutch government has fallen.


Maybe not if you consider that out of all of the conflicts going on in the world today, all but one or two are a result of m's not getting along with their neighbors. Clearly we have aggressive people on our hands.

Food for thought is all :dunno:

.....or getting what they want from a weak kneed society which is only too happy to bend over backwards to please them.

I know who'll lose eventually......................it's inevitable.

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

Why can't we all just get high and get along? The Dutch have the right idea. Attract their enemies with some hash and then hit them in the head with a frying pan while they're too busy staring at their hands.