Dutch government has fallen.

[Boothbabe]

Time will come when you will have to step up and defend your values from those who want to take them away................and it ain't Wilders.

You're right, it probably won't be Wilders. It will most likely be Fred Teeven from the VVD (the winning party @ the elections) if he's appointed as minister of justice. That man scares the hell out of me. He basically thinks my freedom is something that gets in the way of the police doing their job and that everybody should be monitored 24/7 because we're all potential criminals.

 

[Trident1]

You're right, it probably won't be Wilders. It will most likely be Fred Teeven from the VVD (the winning party @ the elections) if he's appointed as minister of justice. That man scares the hell out of me. He basically thinks my freedom is something that gets in the way of the police doing their job and that everybody should be monitored 24/7 because we're all potential criminals.

Nope it ain't Teeven either.

 

[Facetious]

Gordar typed to BoothBabe:

You've got it wrong. All problems will be solved if we get rid of Muslim foreigners. At least, according to Wilders.

Are the muslims in the Netherlands setting up separatist enclaves and making special demands of the government and do they only communicate between themselves or are they assimilating into the greater Netherlands society?
If the former, Wilders has a point.

Seriously, if you emigrate to a new country, you do not
call the shots no matter if you approve of the government policy or not.

As I see it, if you're a legal immigrant coming into you're host country, the host nation, in order to assure it's own preservation should have the right to sort out the trouble makers. Keep the good, well intentioned people and toss out the bad apples.

 

[Lonilover]

Muslim agitators, don't make me laugh. There is no radical Islam of any significance in the Netherlands. The media focusses on a small group of young moroccan males who tend to cause trouble for reasons not related to Islam and uses it to justify saying Islam as a whole is a danger to Dutch culture and most people swallow whatever the media spoonfeeds them. The vast majority of Muslims in the Netherlands want what you and I want. To lead a normal life. To be happy and have a good job. And now Wilders has entered the picture. He prays on people's unfounded fears and he says Muslims are the cause of all problems and people believe him because it's easier to have a scapegoat than to actually come together as a nation (wich includes Muslims) and work together @ making this a better and stronger country. People don't realize they can accomplish far more by building bridges and including the Muslim society than by outcasting them.

Your first line proves that you've become so blind that you can't see what hapened in all these years. Was the murder of Theo van Gogh not radical ? was 11/9 not radical ? what about the bomb in London or in madrid ? oh no that was just daily life yeah ?. Or what about those villages in Indonesia, Christian villages are completely slaughtered because they're christian. And, yes by muslims.. how fucked up can you get ? No you can give me Geert Wilders and i will support him for it, there isn't anything wrong with that, because all he says is that anybody from any culture who acts normal are very welcome in Holland. So he couldn't be considered a racist. He just sees what is Islam is about, and that is what many people do not see.

 

[Trident1]

Apparently some prefer to bury their heads in the sand and pretend all is well.

 

[ai-ni-ichi]

i think the Dutch government should do more to help girls in the red light district. i hear they've fallen on hard times due to the recession.

i think the dutch government should give me a 1,500 euro grant to go and party there, and i'll prop up the industry.

 

[Boothbabe]

Are the muslims in the Netherlands setting up separatist enclaves and making special demands of the government and do they only communicate between themselves or are they assimilating into the greater Netherlands society?
If the former, Wilders has a point.

The latter. And besides fear mongering Wilders has no point. Have you seen his movie Fitna and how he uses parts of the Koran to get his message across how the Islam is a facist and violent religion? What you didn't see is how he distorted everything by not showing it in the whole context.

Your first line proves that you've become so blind that you can't see what hapened in all these years. Was the murder of Theo van Gogh not radical ?

And what about the murder of Pim Fortuyn, the first political murder ever in recent Dutch history? It was commited by a loner born and raised in the Netherlands who had mental problems. The man who killed van Gogh was also a loner and also had mental problems but because he's a Muslim suddenly there's a threat to Dutch society as a whole. Or what about the guy who tried to kill the royal family on queens day, a rather radical thing to do if you ask me. Also a man with mental problems. So the message is if you're Dutch and commit a crime we should look at it just like that, a crime. If you're muslim and commit a crime it's a crime against Dutch society as a whole.

Apparently some prefer to bury their heads in the sand and pretend all is well.

I prefer not to be lead by fear.

 

[georges]

You're right, it probably won't be Wilders. It will most likely be Fred Teeven from the VVD (the winning party @ the elections) if he's appointed as minister of justice. That man scares the hell out of me. He basically thinks my freedom is something that gets in the way of the police doing their job and that everybody should be monitored 24/7 because we're all potential criminals.

You never liked discipline and authority as most leftists do. If you are for a system where everyone is entitled to do what he wants then you are for anarchy. You are not allowed to do what ever you want, you are required to obey rules and the constitution of your country. This is not negotiable.

 

[georges]

The latter. And besides fear mongering Wilders has no point. Have you seen his movie Fitna and how he uses parts of the Koran to get his message across how the Islam is a facist and violent religion? What you didn't see is how he distorted everything by not showing it in the whole context.

And what about the murder of Pim Fortuyn, the first political murder ever in recent Dutch history? It was commited by a loner born and raised in the Netherlands who had mental problems. The man who killed van Gogh was also a loner and also had mental problems but because he's a Muslim suddenly there's a threat to Dutch society as a whole. Or what about the guy who tried to kill the royal family on queens day, a rather radical thing to do if you ask me. Also a man with mental problems. So the message is if you're Dutch and commit a crime we should look at it just like that, a crime. If you're muslim and commit a crime it's a crime against Dutch society as a whole.

I prefer not to be lead by fear.

Fear mongering? Describing the reality is too hurtful for you obviously? See what happens with the flight united 93 or with the muslims who were responsible for 11/9, they were these so called "respectable" citizens but in fact they were radicazl islam zealot who hated the western world.

His murder was made by a man who contested democratic views of the Netherlands and perhaps saw that when he was demanded to adapt himself to the dutch customs and habits, it was too much for him. So what did he do? He killed the political leader. Tell me what are the positive things that Muslims brought to Europe because I fail to see any one :nono:

You prefer to be lead by anarchy which is worse than everything else

 

[Boothbabe]

You never liked discipline and authority as most leftists do. If you are for a system where everyone is entitled to do what he wants then you are for anarchy. You are not allowed to do what ever you want, you are required to obey rules and the constitution of your country. This is not negotiable.

You obviously have no idea what kind of things Teeven would like to do if he gets the chance

Maybe you should read up on Dutch politics before you comment

Fear mongering? Describing the reality is too hurtful for you obviously?

You don't even know what Wilders is talking about so here's another one.

His murder was made by a man who contested democratic views of the Netherlands and perhaps saw that when he was demanded to adapt himself to the dutch customs and habits, it was too much for him. So what did he do? He killed the political leader. Tell me what are the positive things that Muslims brought to Europe because I fail to see any one :nono:

Are you talking about Theo van Gogh or Pim Fortuyn? van Gogh wasn't a political leader but an artist and Fortuyn wasn't murdered by a Muslim.

You prefer to be lead by anarchy which is worse than everything else

 

[Trident1]

The latter. And besides fear mongering Wilders has no point. Have you seen his movie Fitna and how he uses parts of the Koran to get his message across how the Islam is a facist and violent religion? What you didn't see is how he distorted everything by not showing it in the whole context.



And what about the murder of Pim Fortuyn, the first political murder ever in recent Dutch history? It was commited by a loner born and raised in the Netherlands who had mental problems. The man who killed van Gogh was also a loner and also had mental problems but because he's a Muslim suddenly there's a threat to Dutch society as a whole. Or what about the guy who tried to kill the royal family on queens day, a rather radical thing to do if you ask me. Also a man with mental problems. So the message is if you're Dutch and commit a crime we should look at it just like that, a crime. If you're muslim and commit a crime it's a crime against Dutch society as a whole.



I prefer not to be lead by fear.

Wow incredible. Reading this is akin to :1orglaughwatching someone rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[Boothbabe]

Wow incredible. Reading this is akin to :1orglaugh watching someone rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.

That's exactly what I was thinking about your comments. We're just complete opposites. You prefer to live in fear. Fear of some big Muslim takeover. Fear of loosing your Dutch identity (I assume you're also dutch?). You probably see Wilders and his fear mongering as the big saviour (ethnic registration for example, lets make society better by deviding everyone...what a great idea). I on the other hand prefer not to live in fear. I prefer to work together with all of the peacefull Muslims and make allies of them instead of outcasting them and blaming them for everything that happens. Will we ever agree? Probably not but at least I'm not lead by fear

 

[Trident1]

That's exactly what I was thinking about your comments. We're just complete opposites. You prefer to live in fear. Fear of some big Muslim takeover. Fear of loosing your Dutch identity (I assume you're also dutch?). You probably see Wilders and his fear mongering as the big saviour (ethnic registration for example, lets make society better by deviding everyone...what a great idea). I on the other hand prefer not to live in fear. I prefer to work together with all of the peacefull Muslims and make allies of them instead of outcasting them and blaming them for everything that happens. Will we ever agree? Probably not but at least I'm not lead by fear

We must agree to disagree. However, I salute you in your future endeavours.:hatsoff:

 

[bustybbwlover]

The only thing this "government" has done for nearly 3 years is fight.

hmmm...the u.s. government should have fallen long ago by that standard

 

[Boothbabe]

It could be worse, we could have Belgian politics :1orglaugh

 

[Facetious]

For Boothbabe

Islamic association dismisses Katy pig races
Landowner says he's not racist, wants group to know he's staying

KATY Texas — A Muslim group said it is no longer offended as Katy resident Craig Baker made good on his promise to stage Friday pig races next door to an 11-acre property the group has purchased to build a mosque.
While members of the Katy Islamic Association attended afternoon prayer services, Baker was busy next door at 1918 Baker Road lining a track for 25 pigs to race on, assembling merchandise to sell to spectators and grilling sausages.
About 100 people showed up for the event in the pouring rain.
A spokesman for the association, Yousef Allam, said members are not upset anymore by Baker's decision to race pigs, a forbidden meat in the Muslim culture, despite a Dec. 1 letter an attorney for the group sent to Baker demanding that he immediately remove the pigs from his own property.

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I may be wrong, but I sense that the muslims are the enemies of your enemies, therefore they are your friends. Substitute the muslims in the Netherlands with the jews or christians . . . would you still be so forgiving?

 

[PlasmaTwa2]

Tell me what are the positive things that Muslims brought to Europe because I fail to see any one :nono:

Innovations in medicine, astronomy and agriculture... to name a few.

 

[Ulysses31]

'Tell me what are the positive things that Muslims brought to Europe because I fail to see any one :nono:'

Thousands of brilliant dentists and doctors including some of the best surgeons around. £$£$ In investment in Horse Racing, Football Clubs, Real Estate and Business etc. Something to keep the right wing media busy with :1orglaugh

 

[Facetious]

Boothbabe, I hope that I didn't come off as being confrontational in my previous post, I'm just trying to piece together your motive here. Let's see, could it be that Wilders' politics in general rub you wrong so you automatically default to the contrary? I wont knock you for it, that's the way politics often works.

Let me ask you this - Do you believe that there's any extreme element amongst the Islamic loyalists? . . . and by extreme I mean ''soldiers of the cause'' i.e. guys who wouldn't think twice about cutting your throat if they were ordered to.

[ . . . besides fear mongering Wilders has no point. Have you seen his movie Fitna and how he uses parts of the Koran to get his message across how the Islam is a facist and violent religion? What you didn't see is how he distorted everything by not showing it in the whole context.

No, I have not seen the movie.
Could you offer me some clues about what Wilders omitted in his film?


Thanks !

 

[Boothbabe]

Boothbabe, I hope that I didn't come off as being confrontational in my previous post, I'm just trying to piece together your motive here. Let's see, could it be that Wilders' politics in general rub you wrong so you automatically default to the contrary? I wont knock you for it, that's the way politics often works.

It's not his politics, it's what he stands for.

Let me ask you this - Do you believe that there's any extreme element amongst the Islamic loyalists? . . . and by extreme I mean ''soldiers of the cause'' i.e. guys who wouldn't think twice about cutting your throat if they were ordered to.

Yes and no. I won't deny there are nutjobs who believe they are soldiers of their god but as an Imam explained to me they are not true Muslims so in that regard they aren't Islamic loyalists. The Islamic faith and true muslims condemn any form of violence. The Islamic faith is a religion of peace before anything else but these nutjobs and the media have perverted everything and that's what you are being shown.

No, I have not seen the movie.
Could you offer me some clues about what Wilders omitted in his film?

I can't remember the exact lines Wilders used but the Imam I mentioned above is a friend of my family and he showed me how Wilders distorts the Koran but not showing pieces of text that come before or after the lines he used. Come to think of it, I do remember something. Wilders shows a few lines that say something like "we will tear your skin of over and over again and make you suffer an eternity" (I don't remember the exact words). What Wilders doesn't mention is that those lines come from a piece of text that describes what happens to non believers when they go to hell. He uses the same trick several times.