We all know that "zionist" is nothing but a code word used by anti-semitics to avoid the word "jew", to seem more politicaly correct.
The aim of zionism was to establish a jewish state in Palestine. It's been fullfilled in 1947. Rejecting zionism mean advocating for the destruction of Israel. That would make you on the same page of the Iranian Mollah's on that issue.
Now, will, let me ask you that : Are you anti-zionist ?
This is not 1947. I doubt that anyone on this board was even alive in 1947. We could just as easily be talking about the social conditions that existed in the American south after the Civil War. People like Spike Lee still want to talk about 40 acres and a mule. But people who want to focus on the future, and not the past, have moved on from that discussion. Is Israel still under threat? Yes. And so are a lot of other countries and people in the world. Am I (or is my country) obliged to give Israel a level of financial and political support
over and above what the federal government does for the citizens of the various states in the United States? Not in my mind. There are no special or "chosen people" in my world. If Katrina had ravaged the occupied territories, it seems that the U.S. would have provided no questions asked, no debate in Congress, blanket $100,000 checks to each person who had so much as a shack there. We did that when the Israeli settlers were asked to abandon illegal settlements in the occupied territories a few years ago. People who'd put up plywood shacks got a $100K+/- check from Uncle Sam to
compensate them for their "loss" when they were abandoned... then they cashed the checks and reoccupied the disputed land. Pretty dang slick, eh? I'd say that next shack was much nicer than the first one though. Why the hell am I compensating someone in Israel for putting up an illegal dwelling on land that isn't theirs??? :wtf: But parts of New Orleans still look like they did the day after Katrina hit. What's up with that?! I say that doing for others instead of your own is tantamount to treason.
Anyway, I've always found it extremely fascinating how when discussions about Israel and/or U.S. funded Israeli aid come up, people instantly play the ol' anti-semite card to muddy the discussion. The popular term for this cheap & easy tactic is
Reductio ad Hitlerum (basically, playing the Hitler card). But in situations where there are people who rely on (or can be fooled by) lazy, emotion-based logic, it works. So especially in the PC dominated western world of today, it works. It shuts down the discussion so that both supporters and detractors do not have any sort logical, rational discourse. And when your argument has no logical or rational basis, nothing beats silence.
Your argument here is very interesting. Rather than bringing Uncle Adolf into it (right off the bat), you're linking anyone who is opposed to Zionism with radical Islam. You're still playing the anti-semtism card, but you're using the "new Nazis" (the Muslims) to sub for the "old Nazis". That's cute. I like that. So let's try it the other way, shall we? Some of the most ardent Zionists in the U.S. are hardcore, right-wing, evangelical Christians. That would make you on the same page as Pat Robertson and Michele Bachmann. Now, let me ask you: are you pro-Zionist? You agree with my girlfriend Michele on a lot of other issues, do you? What do you have against the gays? How many times a week do you watch Pat's 700 Club broadcasts? Since you are "on the same page" as him, and that's how this works, you must be sending Pat donations too, right??? I mean, they do support missions in Israel, so you need to tithe at least 10%.
Bottom line: there is no hidden meaning in what I say. I am and have always been opposed to any social or political movement which seeks to put the interests of
any nation, people or religion ahead of the interests of the republic where I live: the United States of America.
And that includes Zionism. If you, or anyone else, doesn't like that or you're offended by my point of view, you have two options (and
only two options): get over it... or don't. It matters not to me which option you choose. There are many Jews who are opposed to Zionism. So,
in fact, it has nothing to do with anti-semitism (although pro-Zionists often refer to these Jews as "bad Jews" or "self-hating Jews": using
Reductio ad Hitlerum against their own people). Much like with feminism and other whiny, divisive social movements, it seeks to create a category of "special people", which further separates and divides our society and requires others to support it (financially and politically) or be labeled bigots. I reject that pseudo logic. I oppose it. And anyone who cannot support their position, without resorting to intellectually cheap parlor tricks, has lost the argument, in my opinion.