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DOMA Ruled Unconstitutional By Federal Appeals Court

Mayhem

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Suck it Conservatives!!! :thefinger:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...al-ruling-appeals-court-boston_n_1559031.html

A federal appeals court Thursday declared that the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutionally denies federal benefits to married gay couples, a groundbreaking ruling all but certain to wind up before the U.S. Supreme Court.

In its unanimous decision, the three-judge panel of the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston said the 1996 law that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman deprives gay couples of the rights and privileges granted to heterosexual couples.

The court didn't rule on the law's more politically combustible provision, which said states without same-sex marriage cannot be forced to recognize gay unions performed in states where it's legal. It also wasn't asked to address whether gay couples have a constitutional right to marry.

The law was passed at a time when it appeared Hawaii would legalize gay marriage. Since then, many states have instituted their own bans on gay marriage, while eight states have approved it, led by Massachusetts in 2004.

The court, the first federal appeals panel to deem the benefits section of the law unconstitutional, agreed with a lower court judge who ruled in 2010 that the law interferes with the right of a state to define marriage and denies married gay couples federal benefits given to heterosexual married couples, including the ability to file joint tax returns.

"For me, it's more just about having equality and not having a system of first- and second-class marriages," said plaintiff Jonathan Knight, 32, a financial associate at Harvard Medical School who married Marlin Nabors in 2006.

"I think we can do better, as a country, than that," Knight said.

Knight said DOMA costs the couple an extra $1,000 a year because they cannot file a joint federal tax return.

Opponents of gay marriage blasted the decision.




"This ruling that a state can mandate to the federal government the definition of marriage for the sake of receiving federal benefits, we find really bizarre, rather arrogant, if I may say so," said Kris Mineau, president of the Massachusetts Family Institute.

Since DOMA was passed in 1996, many states have instituted their own bans on gay marriage, while eight states have approved it, including Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, Iowa, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maryland, Washington state and the District of Columbia. Maryland and Washington's laws are not yet in effect and may be subject to referendums.

Last year, President Barack Obama announced the U.S. Department of Justice would no longer defend the constitutionality of the law. After that, House Speaker John Boehner convened the Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group to defend it. The legal group argued the case before the appeals court.

White House spokesman Jay Carney said the appeals court ruling is "in concert with the president's views." Obama, who once opposed gay marriage, declared his unequivocal personal support on May 9.

Carney wouldn't say whether the government would actively seek to have DOMA overturned if the case goes before the Supreme Court.

"I can't predict what the next steps will be in handling cases of this nature," Carney said.

The 1st Circuit said its ruling wouldn't be enforced until the U.S. Supreme Court decides the case, meaning that same-sex married couples will not be eligible to receive the economic benefits denied by DOMA until the high court rules.

That's because the ruling only applies to states within the circuit – Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Maine and New Hampshire – and Puerto Rico. Only the Supreme Court has the final say in deciding whether a law passed by Congress is unconstitutional.

Although most Americans live in states where the law still is that marriage can only be the union of a man and a woman, the power to define marriage had always been left to the individual states before Congress passed DOMA, the appeals court said in its ruling.

"One virtue of federalism is that it permits this diversity of governance based on local choice, but this applies as well to the states that have chosen to legalize same-sex marriage," Judge Michael Boudin wrote for the court. "Under current Supreme Court authority, Congress' denial of federal benefits to same-sex couples lawfully married in Massachusetts has not been adequately supported by any permissible federal interest."

During arguments before the court last month, a lawyer for gay married couples said the law amounts to "across-the-board disrespect." The couples argued that the power to define and regulate marriage had been left to the states for more than 200 years before Congress passed DOMA.

Paul Clement, a Washington, D.C., attorney who defended the law on behalf of the Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group, argued that Congress had a rational basis for passing it in 1996, when opponents worried that states would be forced to recognize gay marriages performed elsewhere. The group said Congress wanted to preserve a traditional and uniform definition of marriage and has the power to define terms used to federal statutes to distribute federal benefits.

Clement did not immediately return a message left Thursday. The legal group could ask for the case to be reheard by the full 1st Circuit, which typically sits six judges, or could ask the U.S. Supreme Court to take on the case.

Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders, the Boston-based legal group that brought one of the lawsuits on behalf of seven gay married couples and three widowers, said the law takes one group of legally married people and treats them as "a different class" by making them ineligible for benefits given to other married couples.

"We've been working on this issue for so many years, and for the court to acknowledge that yes, same-sex couples are legally married, just as any other couple, is fantastic and extraordinary," said Lee Swislow, GLAD's executive director.

Two of the three judges who decided the case Thursday were Republican appointees, while the other was a Democratic appointee. Boudin was appointed by President George H.W. Bush, while Judge Juan Torruella was appointed by President Ronald Reagan. Chief Judge Sandra Lynch is an appointee of President Bill Clinton.

In California, two federal judges have found this year that the Defense of Marriage Act violates the due process rights of legally married same-sex couples.

In the most recent case, a judge found the law unconstitutional because it denies long-term health insurance benefits to legal spouses of state employees and retirees. The judge also said a section of the federal tax code that makes the domestic partners of state workers ineligible for long-term care insurance violates the civil rights of people in gay and lesbian relationships.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
:facepalm: It's Constitutional.
 
The court didn't rule on the law's more politically combustible provision, which said states without same-sex marriage cannot be forced to recognize gay unions performed in states where it's legal. It also wasn't asked to address whether gay couples have a constitutional right to marry.

So, in effect, it didn't actually come to any conclusion about the DOMA? These two issues are the major elements, and the main reason for the DOMA in the first place, so, what, exactly has been accomplished?
 
Show me exactly where in the Constitution it is OK to deny two consenting adults from getting married - and I will suck your dick and let you post pictures of it on the board.

It doesn't. Therefore its a state issue, and states may decide how they see fit. Constitutional.
 
It doesn't. Therefore its a state issue, and states may decide how they see fit. Constitutional.

You got to it before I did.

Here is an interesting idea., How about the Federal Government just not get involved in marriage at all. Gay, Straight, it is none of their business.

For what it is worth. I am for Gay Marriage personally. Politically I am AGAINST ALL Marriage. It is not a politic issue, it is a personal one.
 
You got to it before I did.

Here is an interesting idea., How about the Federal Government just not get involved in marriage at all. Gay, Straight, it is none of their business.

For what it is worth. I am for Gay Marriage personally. Politically I am AGAINST ALL Marriage. It is not a politic issue, it is a personal one.

The Federal Gov't makes it too much of a habit to go around sticking its nose in business that shouldn't concern them. Marriage is a state issue, regardless of orientation, marriage licenses are acquired through the state, not the Federal gov't.

So much wasted time and money coming to irrelevant conclusions at the federal level. So many examples: Marriage, Education, Prostitution, Welfare, Drug laws, Steroids in sports... on and on and on... get to work on actual Federal issues, stop wasting my tax dollars, and stop dicking around, please.
 

Mayhem

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The Federal Gov't makes it too much of a habit to go around sticking its nose in business that shouldn't concern them. Marriage is a state issue, regardless of orientation, marriage licenses are acquired through the state, not the Federal gov't.

So much wasted time and money coming to irrelevant conclusions at the federal level. So many examples: Marriage, Education, Prostitution, Welfare, Drug laws, Steroids in sports... on and on and on... get to work on actual Federal issues, stop wasting my tax dollars, and stop dicking around, please.

I don't agree with all your examples, but with the overall point. Once the Cons put their guns away, the Libs can do the same.

And to answer, "What has been accomplished?" One more step on the road to true civil rights. It is a road we have only taken and will ever take....one step at a time.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Of course it is. Another non issue over hyped by the right to take away from the real issues.

It certainly is Constitutional. :hatsoff:

Show me exactly where in the Constitution it is OK to deny two consenting adults from getting married - and I will suck your dick and let you post pictures of it on the board.

Sodomites are not in the Constitution. They will be one reason another Civil War starts in this country. Them and liberals.
 

Supafly

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Bronze Member
Show me exactly where in the Constitution it is OK to deny two consenting adults from getting married - and I will suck your dick and let you post pictures of it on the board.

You will have to beat Joey Silvera to this ^^
 

Mayhem

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Sodomites are not in the Constitution. They will be one reason another Civil War starts in this country. Them and liberals.


OK, now I'm just confused. When this Civil War starts are you going to be Marse Will, leading the people to victory against the oppressor........or just a pumped up white-boy with delusions of grandeur.

In other words Will, am I going to be shooting with you or at you?
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
OK, now I'm just confused. When this Civil War starts are you going to be Marse Will, leading the people to victory against the oppressor........or just a pumped up white-boy with delusions of grandeur.

In other words Will, am I going to be shooting with you or at you?

You will be on the side to restore the Constitution and the Republic. ;)
 
Worm the only violations to the Constitution have come from your side. As to your Civil War, nutless shitheads like yourself tend to be all bark and no bite. The constitution also guarantees religious freedom for all not just over caffeinated Christians. There will never be a civil war in this country because the minute someone as dim as yourself posts rhetoric on the internet of that nature it gets the N.S.A.'s attention fool. Oh yeah you just did that........ Was that a knock on your door???? Bye Bye cupcake.
 
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

Because the Constitution does not explicitly give the Federal Government jurisdiction over marriage, the right to regulate marriage is, by default, given solely to the States to decide. Therefore, Congress had neither right nor power to pass DOMA in the first place.

With that said, I have good friends that are conservatives and not one of them have a problem with same sex marriage. So, Mayhem, perhaps you and your stereotypes can suck it. :D
 
It doesn't. Therefore its a state issue, and states may decide how they see fit. Constitutional.

Ummm...yeah, so how do you account for the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause then. You know, the one that states that you can't give one group protection or privileges (with the exceptions of them being convicted felons or non-adults and even then in a pretty limited degree) under the law that you deny others, like for example, allowing one segment of the population to be able to marry and another to not be able to. So it's not the Federal Government or the States government telling the other side anything. It's the Constitution, the supreme law of the land and the basis of which our entire country's legal structure is based on, that they both agreed to that's binding them. Or at least it should be.

For that matter how do you explain away the Constitution’s "Full Faith and Credit Clause" that states have to recognize each others public acts, records and so forth.

Constitutionally, either everybody adult can marry another adult or nobody can, and as long as either the federal government or the states recognize a marriage they all must do so.
 

bobjustbob

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Falls under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Your religious point of view carries no weight in the argument.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is in the Declaration of Independence. The document that declared our separation from England. It is not a law or in the Constitution or Bill of Rights.
 
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