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Chinese missile could shift Pacific power balance

georges

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From: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100805/ap_on_re_as/as_china_us_carrier_killer
ABOARD THE USS GEORGE WASHINGTON – Nothing projects U.S. global air and sea power more vividly than supercarriers. Bristling with fighter jets that can reach deep into even landlocked trouble zones, America's virtually invincible carrier fleet has long enforced its dominance of the high seas.

China may soon put an end to that.

U.S. naval planners are scrambling to deal with what analysts say is a game-changing weapon being developed by China — an unprecedented carrier-killing missile called the Dong Feng 21D that could be launched from land with enough accuracy to penetrate the defenses of even the most advanced moving aircraft carrier at a distance of more than 1,500 kilometers (900 miles).

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EDITOR'S NOTE — The USS George Washington supercarrier recently deployed off North Korea in a high-profile show of U.S. sea power. AP Tokyo News Editor Eric Talmadge was aboard the carrier, and filed this report.

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Analysts say final testing of the missile could come as soon as the end of this year, though questions remain about how fast China will be able to perfect its accuracy to the level needed to threaten a moving carrier at sea.

The weapon, a version of which was displayed last year in a Chinese military parade, could revolutionize China's role in the Pacific balance of power, seriously weakening Washington's ability to intervene in any potential conflict over Taiwan or North Korea. It could also deny U.S. ships safe access to international waters near China's 11,200-mile (18,000-kilometer) -long coastline.

While a nuclear bomb could theoretically sink a carrier, assuming its user was willing to raise the stakes to atomic levels, the conventionally-armed Dong Feng 21D's uniqueness is in its ability to hit a powerfully defended moving target with pin-point precision.

The Chinese Defense Ministry did not immediately respond to the AP's request for a comment.

Funded by annual double-digit increases in the defense budget for almost every year of the past two decades, the Chinese navy has become Asia's largest and has expanded beyond its traditional mission of retaking Taiwan to push its sphere of influence deeper into the Pacific and protect vital maritime trade routes.

"The Navy has long had to fear carrier-killing capabilities," said Patrick Cronin, senior director of the Asia-Pacific Security Program at the nonpartisan, Washington-based Center for a New American Security. "The emerging Chinese antiship missile capability, and in particular the DF 21D, represents the first post-Cold War capability that is both potentially capable of stopping our naval power projection and deliberately designed for that purpose."

Setting the stage for a possible conflict, Beijing has grown increasingly vocal in its demands for the U.S. to stay away from the wide swaths of ocean — covering much of the Yellow, East and South China seas — where it claims exclusivity.

It strongly opposed plans to hold U.S.-South Korean war games in the Yellow Sea off the northeastern Chinese coast, saying the participation of the USS George Washington supercarrier, with its 1,092-foot (333-meter) flight deck and 6,250 personnel, would be a provocation because it put Beijing within striking range of U.S. F-18 warplanes.

The carrier instead took part in maneuvers held farther away in the Sea of Japan.

U.S. officials deny Chinese pressure kept it away, and say they will not be told by Beijing where they can operate.

"We reserve the right to exercise in international waters anywhere in the world," Rear Adm. Daniel Cloyd, who headed the U.S. side of the exercises, said aboard the carrier during the maneuvers, which ended last week.

But the new missile, if able to evade the defenses of a carrier and of the vessels sailing with it, could undermine that policy.

"China can reach out and hit the U.S. well before the U.S. can get close enough to the mainland to hit back," said Toshi Yoshihara, an associate professor at the U.S. Naval War College. He said U.S. ships have only twice been that vulnerable — against Japan in World War II and against Soviet bombers in the Cold War.

Carrier-killing missiles "could have an enduring psychological effect on U.S. policymakers," he e-mailed to The AP. "It underscores more broadly that the U.S. Navy no longer rules the waves as it has since the end of World War II. The stark reality is that sea control cannot be taken for granted anymore."

Yoshihara said the weapon is causing considerable consternation in Washington, though — with attention focused on land wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — its implications haven't been widely discussed in public.

Analysts note that while much has been made of China's efforts to ready a carrier fleet of its own, it would likely take decades to catch U.S. carrier crews' level of expertise, training and experience.

But Beijing does not need to match the U.S. carrier for carrier. The Dong Feng 21D, smarter, and vastly cheaper, could successfully attack a U.S. carrier, or at least deter it from getting too close.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates warned of the threat in a speech last September at the Air Force Association Convention.

"When considering the military-modernization programs of countries like China, we should be concerned less with their potential ability to challenge the U.S. symmetrically — fighter to fighter or ship to ship — and more with their ability to disrupt our freedom of movement and narrow our strategic options," he said.

Gates said China's investments in cyber and anti-satellite warfare, anti-air and anti-ship weaponry, along with ballistic missiles, "could threaten America's primary way to project power" through its forward air bases and carrier strike groups.

The Pentagon has been worried for years about China getting an anti-ship ballistic missile. The Pentagon considers such a missile an "anti-access," weapon, meaning that it could deny others access to certain areas.

The Air Force's top surveillance and intelligence officer, Lt. Gen. David Deptula, told reporters this week that China's effort to increase anti-access capability is part of a worrisome trend.

He did not single out the DF 21D, but said: "While we might not fight the Chinese, we may end up in situations where we'll certainly be opposing the equipment that they build and sell around the world."

Questions remain over when — and if — China will perfect the technology; hitting a moving carrier is no mean feat, requiring state-of-the-art guidance systems, and some experts believe it will take China a decade or so to field a reliable threat. Others, however, say final tests of the missile could come in the next year or two.

Former Navy commander James Kraska, a professor of international law and sea power at the U.S. Naval War College, recently wrote a controversial article in the magazine Orbis outlining a hypothetical scenario set just five years from now in which a Deng Feng 21D missile with a penetrator warhead sinks the USS George Washington.

That would usher in a "new epoch of international order in which Beijing emerges to displace the United States."

While China's Defense Ministry never comments on new weapons before they become operational, the DF 21D — which would travel at 10 times the speed of sound and carry conventional payloads — has been much discussed by military buffs online.

A pseudonymous article posted on Xinhuanet, website of China's official news agency, imagines the U.S. dispatching the George Washington to aid Taiwan against a Chinese attack.

The Chinese would respond with three salvos of DF 21D, the first of which would pierce the hull, start fires and shut down flight operations, the article says. The second would knock out its engines and be accompanied by air attacks. The third wave, the article says, would "send the George Washington to the bottom of the ocean."

Comments on the article were mostly positive.

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AP writer Christopher Bodeen in Beijing and National Security Writer Anne Gearan in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.

A little food for thought for those who thought than instead of investing in nuclear and ballistic wepaons , money should be invested in healthcare. They are wrong.;):elaugh:

best regards

georges
 

ForumModeregulator

Believer In GregCentauro
I feel like this article is misleading. It purposely fails to acknowledge the supreme firepower and capabilities we currently have...

We have this:

railgun.jpg


"...equivalent of “hitting a target with a Ford Taurus at 380 mph.” Plus, the gun should be able to hit a 5 meter target from 200 nautical miles away while pumping out 10 rounds per minute."

Plus we already have loads of ICBM's...which have a minimum range of 3500 km...i dont see the big fuss.
 
I feel like this article is misleading. It purposely fails to acknowledge the supreme firepower and capabilities we currently have...

We have this:

railgun.jpg


"...equivalent of “hitting a target with a Ford Taurus at 380 mph.” Plus, the gun should be able to hit a 5 meter target from 200 nautical miles away while pumping out 10 rounds per minute."

Plus we already have loads of ICBM's...which have a minimum range of 3500 km...i dont see the big fuss.

somebody likes the rail gun but i don't think it's supposed to be on a ship and combat ready till 2020, but we've go other toys
 
A little food for thought for those who thought than instead of investing in nuclear and ballistic wepaons , money should be invested in healthcare. They are wrong.;):elaugh:

best regards

georges
No they are not wrong. Investing millions in nuclear & ballistic weapons is self defeating as any opposing power will try & develop a better weapon & so it goes on to & fro forever.
It's OK for US to have weapons of mass destruction etc but no one else?
 

Vlad The Impaler

Power Slave
The writing has been on the wall for years. People think its bad now. Wait till we go to war with these guys.
 

LukeEl

I am a failure to the Korean side of my family
It's made in China, hello? Look at how easily a majority of the hundreds of other products they build fall apart.
 
War? It will never happen.

I wonder how many times that quote has been said in history and been utterly wrong. The thing about war and the nature of humanity is that eventually it always happens, especially with people that are powerful and want even more.
 
Yeah. It will. But no one expects you to be there treehugger.
Er, I'm not a treehugger. . .

I wonder how many times that quote has been said in history and been utterly wrong. The thing about war and the nature of humanity is that eventually it always happens, especially with people that are powerful and want even more.
657566758 times.
There won't be another world war. Some idiot will just push a button & kaboom! The end of humanity. . .
 

Mayhem

Banned
A lot of this is just bullshit to justify spending more of our money on the military. I have a severe problem with the concept that after a 1,500 mile warning, our carriers and escort ships can't deal with this thing. If they can't, what the fuck have we been spending money on all this time?
 

Ace Bandage

The one and only.
Bring it on, chinamen!!!!

The Chinaman is not the issue here, Dude. I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line, you DO NOT... Also, Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.
 
A lot of this is just bullshit to justify spending more of our money on the military. I have a severe problem with the concept that after a 1,500 mile warning, our carriers and escort ships can't deal with this thing. If they can't, what the fuck have we been spending money on all this time?

I'm upset that the computer I bought back in 1991 doesn't work as well as my newest computer does on the internet too, but you know what? Technology changes. You have to keep up with the times. The enemy is constantly working to catch up. This is why you have to spend a few bucks on the military once in a while.

I feel like this article is misleading. It purposely fails to acknowledge the supreme firepower and capabilities we currently have...

We have this:

railgun.jpg


"...equivalent of “hitting a target with a Ford Taurus at 380 mph.” Plus, the gun should be able to hit a 5 meter target from 200 nautical miles away while pumping out 10 rounds per minute."

Plus we already have loads of ICBM's...which have a minimum range of 3500 km...i dont see the big fuss.

They can mess around with our aircraft carriers, but something tells me that the presence of our our Trident nuclear submarines may be a slight deterrent to keep them from getting too smart with us.
 

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
There's only one thing to do now: fake documents that China is giving Iran nuclear weapons so Israel goes to war. That'll stop China. Or get Israel destroyed. Either way, something's gonna happen.
 
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