Bush lied about WMD's

[Jagger69]

There are several members on this forum that believe the Democrats are aways right and can do no harm....

Yes and there are just about an equal number of republicans on this board who take the same myopic viewpoint (let's not have to get into pointing out specific members, OK....we all know who they are and THEY know who they are) about their party. If you're going to call out one side, you need to call out the other as well. Your original post did not do that at all and was, consequently, seriously slanted to the right.

 

[JordanRules]

Politicians and lying go together like beer and pizza. Or beer and pretzels. Or beer and... another beer. :thumbsup:

 

[JordanRules]

I put my life on the line for 10 years for this country. I love it and hate to see it go down the shitter.

Regardless of anyone's political views and opinions, this quote is always the most important. I thank you Jason and all the other men and women of our armed forces for your efforts. I really do. I don't think you guys, and girls, are appreciated enough.

 

[jasonk282]

Yes and there are just about an equal number of republicans on this board who take the same myopic viewpoint (let's not have to get into pointing out specific members, OK....we all know who they are and THEY know who they are) about their party. If you're going to call out one side, you need to call out the other as well. Your original post did not do that at all and was, consequently, seriously slanted to the right.

My post said Bush lied about WMD's and so did the Democrats, how is that being slanted to the right? Should I have posted Bush quotes?

 

[Jagger69]

^
2 things jump right out at first glance, Jason....

1) Your use of the term "DemoCrap"....would indicate a slight veering to the right, yes.
2) Using freerepublic.com as the source. Right-wing equivalent of using dailykos.com on the left.

And yeah, some republican quotes might have balanced things out a bit.

I'll do it for you....

Cheney: No Doubt Saddam Has WMD
Aug. 26, 2002
Dick Cheney, Vice President
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." (more)

Bush: Iraq Currently Expanding WMD Production
Sep. 12, 2002
George W. Bush, Speech to UN General Assembly
"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons."

Sep. 12, 2002
George W. Bush
Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

Bush: Iraq Has WMD Stockpile
Oct. 5, 2002
George W. Bush, Radio Address
"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons." (more)

Bush: Iraq Possesses and Produces Chemical Weapons
Oct. 7, 2002
George W. Bush
"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas." (more)

Bush: 500 Tons of Sarin, 30,000 Munitions
Jan. 28, 2003
George W. Bush
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent" and "upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents... " (more)

May 30, 2003
Bush cites 2 trailers found as evidence of " the weapons of mass destruction" that were the United States' primary justification for going to war.
washingtonpost
"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons."
George W. Bush, Speech to UN General Assembly 9/12/2002

"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."
George W. Bush, Radio Address 10/5/2002

"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."
George W. Bush, Cincinnati, Ohio Speech 10/7/2002

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."
George W. Bush, Cincinnati, Ohio Speech 10/7/2002

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."
George W. Bush, State of the Union Address 1/28/2003

“The best way for peace is for Mr. Saddam Hussein to disarm,” he insists. “It's up to him to make his decision.” [White House, 12/4/02]

Bush says. “He's the person who gets to decide war and peace.” [White House, 2/7/03]

Sep. 18, 2002
Donald Rumsfeld
His regime has amassed large, clandestine stockpiles of biological weapons—including anthrax and botulism toxin, and possibly smallpox.

His regime has amassed large, clandestine stockpiles of chemical weapons—including VX, sarin, cyclosarin and mustard gas.

His regime has an active program to acquire and develop nuclear weapons.
(more)

Republicans Limit Probe of WMD Issue
"There seems to be a campaign afoot by some to criticize the intelligence community and the president for connecting the dots, for putting together a picture that seemed all too obvious," said Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, of Kansas. The Republican chairmen of the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee joined Roberts in rejecting calls for an investigation. June 11, 2003.

Fleischer: No Question of Evidence of WMD
Mar. 21, 2003
White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer
"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly."

Iraqis Authorized to Use Imaginary Chemical Weapons?
Oct. 5, 2002
George W. Bush
"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have." (more)

dedefensa
CBS news 10 March: many interesting quotes

Mar. 22, 2003
Gen. Tommy Franks: "There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. As this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them."
startribune

Jun. 4, 2003
Financial Times reports a single source, a senior Iraqi officer on active service, told British intelligence last August that Iraq could fire chemical or biological warheads within 45 minutes. - more
senioriraqiofficial (52k PDF)

Apr. 9, 2004
Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
We still need to find and secure Iraq's weapons of mass destruction facilities and secure Iraq's borders so we can prevent the flow of weapons of mass destruction materials and senior regime officials out of the country.
(more)

Mar. 21, 2004
Ari Fleischer:"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes."
startribune

Jan. 9, 2003
Ari Fleischer: "We know for a fact that there are weapons there."
startribune

Remarks to the United Nations Security Council

Renewed Production of Chemcial Warfare Agents
Nov. 1, 2002
John Bolton, Undersecretary of State for Arms Control
"We estimate that once Iraq acquires fissile material -- whether from a foreign source or by securing the materials to build an indigenous fissile material capability -- it could fabricate a nuclear weapon within one year. It has rebuilt its civilian chemical infrastructure and renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard, sarin, and VX. It actively maintains all key aspects of its offensive BW [biological weapons] program. (more)

Rice: All of the Dots Added Up
Sep. 28, 2003
Dr. Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor
"The premise of the war was ... all of the dots added up to a program and to weapons and a weapons program that was dangerous and getting more so."

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I do agree with your later statement that all of these politicians, left and right, are hypocrites.

 

[Legzman]

Regardless of anyone's political views and opinions, this quote is always the most important. I thank you Jason and all the other men and women of our armed forces for your efforts. I really do. I don't think you guys, and girls, are appreciated enough.

They aren't appreciated. They are disposable. I appreciate what they do. Just saying that to the politicians they are disposable.

 

[jasonk282]

I do agree with your later statement that all of these politicians, left and right, are hypocrites.

^ That was the point I was trying to make. Just I think I went about it the wrong way.

 

[habo9]

Isnt this just stating the obvious , the whole world knew he lied years ago along with his lapdog Mr Blair...

He also lied about the Taliban as well , they didnt say once they wouldnt hand over Osama , what they said was "Show us your evidence that he did it and we will hand him over" but in his desparation after 9/11 someone had to pay and he thought they would be an easy target and the bible bashing nitwit has the cheek to call anyone religious fanatics or terrorists when he himself is the biggest religious fanatic ,I still cant believe this bumbling fool more or less ran the world with his half baked cuckoo ideas , Bush & Blair should be up in the Hague for war crimes themselves and I think its pretty obvious now that Saddam ran his country pretty well considering , the state its in now , he had to run it with an iron fist , when he was in power there were no terrorists , now there umteen attacks everyday also Iraq was probably the most westernized country in the middle east so much for democracy and freedom , Iraq hasnt moved foward with the invasion of the allies if anything its going backwards....

Now Im not a fan of the Taliban or Saddam & the taliban had to be removed from Afganistan there laws and way of life are draconian , but Saddam and Iraq are a different story this is one war that makes me say Im ashamed of being British , also I dont believe for a minute that they dont know where Osama is they can send things to Mars to find water , but they cant find a few shepards in the mountains of Afganistan and they have been looking for 8 years....

I have a few friends that have been to Iraq and everyone of them agree they should have never been sent there , everyone of them are against the war but they have to go and do there best & Im proud to call them friends they are only following orders but both British & American leaders should be in the dock facing charges of an unjust war.............

 

[jasonk282]

Isnt this just stating the obvious , the whole world knew he lied years ago along with his lapdog Mr Blair...

He also lied about the Taliban as well , they didnt say once they wouldnt hand over Osama , what they said was "Show us your evidence that he did it and we will hand him over" but in his desparation after 9/11 someone had to pay and he thought they would be an easy target and the bible bashing nitwit has the cheek to call anyone religious fanatics or terrorists when he himself is the biggest religious fanatic ,I still cant believe this bumbling fool more or less ran the world with his half baked cuckoo ideas , Bush & Blair should be up in the Hague for war crimes themselves and I think its pretty obvious now that Saddam ran his country pretty well considering , the state its in now , he had to run it with an iron fist , when he was in power there were no terrorists , now there umteen attacks everyday also Iraq was probably the most westernized country in the middle east so much for democracy and freedom , Iraq hasnt moved foward with the invasion of the allies if anything its going backwards....

Now Im not a fan of the Taliban or Saddam & the taliban had to be removed from Afganistan there laws and way of life are draconian , but Saddam and Iraq are a different story this is one war that makes me say Im ashamed of being British , also I dont believe for a minute that they dont know where Osama is they can send things to Mars to find water , but they cant find a few shepards in the mountains of Afganistan and they have been looking for 8 years....

I have a few friends that have been to Iraq and everyone of them agree they should have never been sent there , everyone of them are against the war but they have to go and do there best & Im proud to call them friends they are only following orders but both British & American leaders should be in the dock facing charges of an unjust war.............

Did you even read my post? The thread is not about Bush's lies it about hypocrisy in politics.

 

[habo9]

Did you even read my post? The thread is not about Bush's lies it about hypocrisy in politics.

Yes I did I was just pointing out that he lied a couple of times and so did Blair , sorry I went of on a rant I was just trying to point out his lies and how I still think they are lying

 

[TrueTranssexual]

I don't know how he can sleep at night seeing how many American soldiers have been murdered and are dying as a result of his incompetence. He must not have any conscience whatsoever.

 

[STDiva]

More like weapons of ass destruction. AMIRITE?

 

[Facetious]

Regardless of anyone's political views and opinions, this quote is always the most important. I thank you Jason and all the other men and women of our armed forces for your efforts. I really do. I don't think you guys, and girls, are appreciated enough.

Well Done & 1000% true :hatsoff:

 

[GregCentauro]

Your quotes are useless, jason and Facetious. Clinton & Co. (with the notable exception of the Kerry quote) reacted to Saddam extraditing UN weapons inspectors in 1998. There was ample evidence in '98 that Iraq still had some kind of WMD program.

In contrast, Bush rested his case on the fabricated stories of Iraqi dissidents not even credible enough for Colon Powell - yet, he pledged his allegiance to the absent-minded Prez and attempted to sell these lies to the UN security council - and the Niger uranium deal nobody 'cept the completely demented believed in back in 2003.

But who needs the bloody nuances if hammering the DemoCraps makes your own dementia appear less blatant?

 

[jasonk282]

Your quotes are useless, jason and Facetious. Clinton & Co. (with the notable exception of the Kerry quote) reacted to Saddam extraditing UN weapons inspectors in 1998. There was ample evidence in '98 that Iraq still had some kind of WMD program.

In contrast, Bush rested his case on the fabricated stories of Iraqi dissidents not even credible enough for Colon Powell - yet, he pledged his allegiance to the absent-minded Prez and attempted to sell these lies to the UN security council - and the Niger uranium deal nobody 'cept the completely demented believed in back in 2003.

But who needs the bloody nuances if hammering the DemoCraps makes your own dementia appear less blatant?

Originally Posted by Jagger69
I do agree with your later statement that all of these politicians, left and right, are hypocrites.

^ That was the point I was trying to make. Just I think I went about it the wrong way.

 

[Nester6]

but so did these DemoCraps!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/985627/posts

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

Like Doc Holliday said in Tombstone "It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds". Doc Holliday

Absolutely correct! The Democrats were just intent on smearing Bush yet they agreed at the time. Hindsight is easy.

 

[Nester6]

I don't know how he can sleep at night seeing how many American soldiers have been murdered and are dying as a result of his incompetence. He must not have any conscience whatsoever.

Not true. President Bush acted on the intelligence he was given. I also believe there WERE weapons of mass destruction,however they were quickly moved.

 

[maildude]

Yep. And Nixon got important foreign affairs advice from Checkers.

 

[CunningStunts]

Not true. President Bush acted on the intelligence he was given. I also believe there WERE weapons of mass destruction,however they were quickly moved.

The assessments were off on the nuclear capabilities they were building, at least what we found. They did, however, have large stockpiles of chemical weapons and some biological weapons. Trust me.

 

[dogbone27]

All honest politicians are Mythological creature , and you know what that mean , right?.