Ashley Blue Almost choked to Death!

[ed007]

Lots of self righteousness here, considering this is a porn board. Honestly, how can anyone state, in essence, "My kinks are cool, but that is stupid and anyone who likes/does it is stupid" and not feel grossly arrogant? Maybe the guy who likes choke porn finds your Interracial Slutwife Double Anal Goat Porn disgusting, or you both find that person's fetish for Public Fisting Squrrel Bukkake gross. Who has a right (so long as the scene involves consenting and paid individuals) to judge and call other people's kinks wrong? I personally don't find that vid appealing, but I'd never be such a dick as to tell anyone who gets off on it that they're psycho.

Really, ditch the fuckin' high horses. It's porn.

To be honest I stopped taking anything that I see in a porn movie seriously
along time ago. Yes they are really having sex so they can still catch an STD
but almost everything else is fake. Porn is like reality TV: In order to keep the
audience interested they have to keep pushing the boundaries. This is just a
perfect example.

So when I watched the clip I wasn’t shocked and the moment she started to
laugh I completely dismissed it and I wasn’t even going to bother to reply to
this thread until curiosity got the better of me.

Two of the main differences between a mainstream actor like Julia Roberts
and a porn star like Jenna Jameson is a top mainstream actor will make much
more money and has alot more social credibility. So Denzel Washington would
be invited to the White house to meet the President but I'm pretty sure
Lexington Steele will not. And I'm sure they both understand why.

I’m actually a little bit worried that so many people are taking this seriously.
If this was REAL i.e. someone had kidnapped a woman, choked her out and
recorded it as some sort of sick “kink” that would be a completely different
story. I repeat if this was a REAL movie of a REAL incident I would be as
outraged as Facial King. But in my opinion this is not REAL and therefore
shouldn’t be taken that seriously.

I think Facial_King should take a chill pill. In my opinion whoremaker is talking
a whole lotta good old-fashioned sense. Read what he wrote again. Assuming
he’s a guy, he did NOT say he enjoyed it or that it’s right. He simply pointed
out that it’s a porn movie and that in his opinion so long as the scene involves
consenting and paid individuals who has a right to judge and call other
people's kinks wrong? When you remember we are talking about a MOVIE that
I guess can’t be illegal otherwise we would not be allowed to view it in this
forum it is a very fair point.

If Facial king is right then I guess we should all be outraged and lock up
Steven Spielberg for making a movie about the Holocaust. We should round
up all the actors who played the German solders for war crimes. Hello! It's
just a movie about the Holocaust. It's not real. It’s a performance. An act.
Some people will like it and some people will not. Next.

Loving couples engage in anal sex, and it's possible that some of them even bring in a 3rd party for double anal. That's a legit kink, I suppose. Minus the squirrels, minus the goats, minus girls being choked til they pass out.

Bringing the goats (and squirrels) into it is not legit. Goats can't consent to sex (nor would they want to with the creeps that wanna fuck 'em!). Neither can children. Neither can one's own children. And the idea of consenting to one's own death - or even potentially life-threatening injury (choking) - for the purpose of catering to another's sexual kink/fetish indicates mental illness. As does the notion of someone becoming sexually aroused by watching another person being knocked unconscious, physically injured, maimed, mutilated or killed.

This is why bestiality, child porn, incest, and snuff are not legitimate "kinks".

What about that guy in Germany who "allowed" that other sicko to cut off his testicles (I think he ate them too, of course!), and then kill him - hey, it was all consensual ! And if someone films it the next time it happens and wants to sell it, hey, who are we to judge? It's just another kink, on the same level as cumming on a girl's face, or when she gags while deepthroating. Six of one, half a dozen the other, right? It's all just "porn," right? Er...no.

That's fine. But what has this got to do with what whoremaker wrote?
Please do not put words in other people's mouths. You should not
verbally attack someone for things they have not said. If you read what
whoremaker said again you will see that at no point were any of what you
are talking about mentioned. Please show me where he talked of goats and
squirrels or anything that is illegal?

This thread is about Ashley Blue being choked. It's not about all the other
things you and only mentioned. Let's stick with the Ashley Blue choking issue,
please.

Wow. That was so irrational, I can't even decide where to begin...

Maybe later.

I agree. :2 cents:

 

[on]

You know, if Ashley Blue pulled this off as a performance, I think that pornstars have been incredibly understimated as actors. If she can perform so convincingly, she deserves an oscar.

 

[PornKhaos]

Honestly, how can anyone state, in essence, "My kinks are cool, but that is stupid and anyone who likes/does it is stupid" and not feel grossly arrogant?

I think we ALL have that right. Some arguments underlying the judgments are better than others, though.

Facial King is right IMO. We all have the right to disagree with peoples kinks. If the kinks are slightly out of bounds then the people who don't agree with them are going to disagree.

If you see someone on the news who was found to have thousands of pictures of children on their computer then im sure you would disagree with that? If you do then you are doing what you said is wrong.

 

[on]

I think it's debatable whether you can critisize someone personally if they like something that you disagree with. That's their right to do what they like at the end of the day.

However there's no question about whether you can express an opinion on content. Which I think the majority of responses to this thread have been.

I don't like or agree with what the clip shows. But I'm not criticising anyone by saying that.

 

[BlueBalls]

And you felt that your point was so important that you had to make it twice? :tongue: :thefinger

Our beloved little board went a little schizo on me

 

[funkyman]

Crazy, but there is so much crazy stuff you can see in porn...

 

[DreamSparrow]

People residing in the UK should probably avoid watching the video, because it may well be illegal under the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008.

The criteria for pornography shouldn't just be consent, IMO. It ought to be safe, sane and consensual. This isn't handcuffs or hot wax. It isn't hair-pulling or even a slap on the face. It goes beyond your own personal, edgy kinks which may or may not squick other people into the realm of potentially life-threatening behaviour. It's not safe, and its sanity is dubious.

Ashley Blue is known for doing this kind of stuff on regular basis. When someone signs her up for a movie, they know that this comes with the package. Perhaps she ought to be placed in a mental institution, because the extended strangulation (snuff-lite?) she engages in can't be too healthy for her.

There's a lot of stuff that goes on in porn that is mimed or an act, but you are being naive if you think that there aren't other occasions when it's very real.

 

[meesterperfect]

one ugly chic, cant believe so many have posted about it.

 

[ed007]

People residing in the UK should probably avoid watching the video, because it may well be illegal under the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008.

The criteria for pornography shouldn't just be consent, IMO. It ought to be safe, sane and consensual. This isn't handcuffs or hot wax. It isn't hair-pulling or even a slap on the face. It goes beyond your own personal, edgy kinks which may or may not squick other people into the realm of potentially life-threatening behaviour. It's not safe, and its sanity is dubious.

Ashley Blue is known for doing this kind of stuff on regular basis. When someone signs her up for a movie, they know that this comes with the package. Perhaps she ought to be placed in a mental institution, because the extended strangulation (snuff-lite?) she engages in can't be too healthy for her.

There's a lot of stuff that goes on in porn that is mimed or an act, but you are being naive if you think that there aren't other occasions when it's very real.

I can't disagree with that. I'm sure there are occasions when it's real, sadly. But I don't this example is real. And I wouldn't have any interest in watching it either way :hatsoff:

btw i'm on vacation. Location: Parts Unknown

 

[whoremaker]

Facial King is right IMO. We all have the right to disagree with peoples kinks. If the kinks are slightly out of bounds then the people who don't agree with them are going to disagree.

If you see someone on the news who was found to have thousands of pictures of children on their computer then im sure you would disagree with that? If you do then you are doing what you said is wrong.

Never said we don't have a right to disagree, I said that nobody has a right to judge the kinks of others. There is a difference. Disagree all you like, but don't call someone who enjoys that vid a "psycho" or "wrong." That is not your, or anyone's, right.

Your second statement is irrelevant, as having kiddie porn is illegal and disqualifies it for the "okay because everyone consented" rule. So, yes, of course I would disagree with having pictures of kids. Children = illegal/bad. Ashley Blue doing her thing = disagreeable but legal and her right.

The criteria for pornography shouldn't just be consent, IMO. It ought to be safe, sane and consensual. This isn't handcuffs or hot wax. It isn't hair-pulling or even a slap on the face. It goes beyond your own personal, edgy kinks which may or may not squick other people into the realm of potentially life-threatening behaviour. It's not safe, and its sanity is dubious.

Again, this is a very arrogant and infringing point of view. What may be "safe and sane" to you may not be for others. Many people would argue that you are not being "safe and sane" posting to a porn board. Who says that you're right and they're not? This is why consent and legality (age, absence of criminal acts like murder, etc) can be the only yardstick of measure here. Like it or not, people have a right to choose for themselves the course of their own lives, so long as said choices do not infringe the rights or endanger the safety of others, and therefore, if Ashley Blue says "I want to be choked out" and whats-his-name says, "Okay, let's go" then nobody has a right to stop them, or stop anyone of legal age to view porn from watching it. Disagree all you like that it's sexy, arousing, or whatever, but don't argue for its banning, because that is a violation of their freedom.

There's a lot of stuff that goes on in porn that is mimed or an act, but you are being naive if you think that there aren't other occasions when it's very real.

So what if it is real? So long as it isn't kidnapping, rape, murder, child abuse, or another illegal act, then so what? Again, the authenticity of the scene is not what matters.

 

[Marlo Manson]

I think everybodies blowing this way out proportion, its porn, its acting, those are pornstars, they are not forced to do these kinds of scenes, they are contracted, they know what they are getting into NO matter how rough, how hard it is for some to watch, its mostly fake.

Those people that are saying that in some instances its very much real, but the girl is NOT being hurt & her life is NOT and NEVER was, would be, Nor are they in ANY danger of death.

The girls in question have the option of turning these types of scenes down... & if they do turn them down, there's always somebody that will do them.

These real life situations are those with girls that are NOT pornstars, just girls trying to make a living, or a girl that is naive about her company. those are the girls that are REALLY BEING HURT, ARE IN REAL DANGER, AND EVEN IN DANGER OF DYING.

I really doubt there is any Porn where the girl is really gonna agree to be hurt, I mean for real, & there's NO WAY IN HELL she is gonna knowingly risk her life, porn is all fake simulation. the sex is definitely real, but the rough stuff is planned, staged & done with the girls safety in mind... you actually think if girls were actually getting choked out, & molested & brutally worked over the government/FBI and police wouldn't be stomping porn to a screeching halt? think about it... if any of it was real, it would be ILLEGAL & BANNED. :2 cents:

 

[DreamSparrow]

Again, this is a very arrogant and infringing point of view. What may be "safe and sane" to you may not be for others. Many people would argue that you are not being "safe and sane" posting to a porn board. Who says that you're right and they're not?

Well, I'd love to know what their reasoning would be. An argument from relativism might be effective when it comes to lots of acts, but strangulation to the point of unconsciousness is not one of them. If there was ever a clear cut example of injurious sexual behaviour in pornography, this is it.

This is why consent and legality (age, absence of criminal acts like murder, etc) can be the only yardstick of measure here.

If the current state of legality (just a set of rules written by some other people, after all) is all you base your ethics on, it's probably illegal in the United Kingdom and many other countries around the world.

Like it or not, people have a right to choose for themselves the course of their own lives, so long as said choices do not infringe the rights or endanger the safety of others, and therefore, if Ashley Blue says "I want to be choked out" and whats-his-name says, "Okay, let's go" then nobody has a right to stop them, or stop anyone of legal age to view porn from watching it. Disagree all you like that it's sexy, arousing, or whatever, but don't argue for its banning, because that is a violation of their freedom.

Well, I don't believe in the freedom of people to slit their wrists unfettered from the interference of others either. The rights of the mentally ill are abbreviated because they aren't sufficiently responsible. In my view, anyone who would willingly invite such extreme strangulation is mentally ill.

So what if it is real? So long as it isn't kidnapping, rape, murder, child abuse, or another illegal act, then so what? Again, the authenticity of the scene is not what matters.

Of course there's a difference between actuality and depiction. Most people merely grimace if they see a child being kidnapped or murdered in a movie, but if exposed to genuine footage of that, it would shock them to the core. Ultimately, the authenticity matters, because if it was real, then that young woman was a few moments from death. And no amount of posturing about the Liberty-idol and the pursuit of hedonistic Happiness should be more important than Life.

 

[arianajoladdict]

the guy is a retard

 

[whoremaker]

Well, I'd love to know what their reasoning would be. An argument from relativism might be effective when it comes to lots of acts, but strangulation to the point of unconsciousness is not one of them. If there was ever a clear cut example of injurious sexual behaviour in pornography, this is it.

Their reasoning would be the same as yours; namely, "I think that's wrong. Anyone who does that is wrong because I say so. So, they shouldn't be allowed to do it." And they'd be just as wrong as you. Further, many consider gangbangs, non-marital sex, and other kinks just as "injurious" sexual behavior as you consider this. Again, why are you right and they wrong? Simple answer, neither is. People have rights, whether you like it or not, and choosing to be choked during sex is one of those rights.

If the current state of legality (just a set of rules written by some other people, after all) is all you base your ethics on, it's probably illegal in the United Kingdom and many other countries around the world.

Not relevant as this occurred in the U.S. where personal freedoms are clearly more revered than in the U.K.

Well, I don't believe in the freedom of people to slit their wrists unfettered from the interference of others either. The rights of the mentally ill are abbreviated because they aren't sufficiently responsible. In my view, anyone who would willingly invite such extreme strangulation is mentally ill.

You do a good job of refuting your own argument when you state "In my view," as that is all it is; your view. But, I will point out that Ms. Blue is neither mentally ill, nor was she slitting her wrists, so this argument is irrelevant as well.

Of course there's a difference between actuality and depiction. Most people merely grimace if they see a child being kidnapped or murdered in a movie, but if exposed to genuine footage of that, it would shock them to the core. Ultimately, the authenticity matters, because if it was real, then that young woman was a few moments from death. And no amount of posturing about the Liberty-idol and the pursuit of hedonistic Happiness should be more important than Life.

This is not a video of a kid being kidnapped or murdered. It's a porn vid, made by an actress who consented (chose of her own free will) and was compensated. Therefore, no, authenticity (real or fake choking) does not matter. And don't be dramatic; she wasn't a few moments from death.

Whether you'll admit it or not, you're being judgmental and heaping your own personal beliefs onto others. I am sure that Ms Blue, and any other actress who chooses to do choke porn, would appreciate you, and others like you, minding your own business and leaving their lives to them.

 

[DreamSparrow]

Their reasoning would be the same as yours; namely, "I think that's wrong. Anyone who does that is wrong because I say so. So, they shouldn't be allowed to do it." And they'd be just as wrong as you. Further, many consider gangbangs, non-marital sex, and other kinks just as "injurious" sexual behavior as you consider this. Again, why are you right and they wrong? Simple answer, neither is. People have rights, whether you like it or not, and choosing to be choked during sex is one of those rights.

At what point did I say: "I think it's wrong because I say so"? I argued it is wrong BECAUSE it is unsafe and insane. So let's try that again. How exactly is posting on a porn forum unsafe and insane, and how is that comparable to potentially life-threatening strangulation?

Not relevant as this occurred in the U.S. where personal freedoms are clearly more revered than in the U.K.

You said that all that matters is consent and legality, where legality is of course, just a set of rules some rich old guys create according to "their own views". Legality is a shitty justification, but you did bring it up.

Therefore, it is completely relevant, since a) Freeones is run out of the Netherlands, and b) in the age of the internet, users are obliged to be aware of the laws of their own countries.

People have rights, whether you like it or not, and choosing to be choked during sex is one of those rights.

Must have missed that one in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

You do a good job of refuting your own argument when you state "In my view," as that is all it is; your view. But, I will point out that Ms. Blue is neither mentally ill, nor was she slitting her wrists, so this argument is irrelevant as well.

Are you really taking a simple figure of speech that far? If so, that's a lousy refutation. ALL arguments, including your own, are simply a person's view. Pointing out that I have point of view is meaningless.

"Miss Blue" appears to have allowed someone to strangle her on camera to the point where she believes she loses consciousness - all for a couple of hundred dollars and a sick thrill. I have no compunction in saying she's got mental issues.

This is not a video of a kid being kidnapped or murdered.

Are you being deliberately dense? Obviously it is not. The whole point of that example was to illustrate the difference between the depiction of something disturbing and something that is both real and disturbing.

It's a porn vid, made by an actress who consented (chose of her own free will) and was compensated. Therefore, no, authenticity (real or fake choking) does not matter. And don't be dramatic; she wasn't a few moments from death.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that if she lost consciousness she wasn't risking things like death by strangulation, cardiac arrest, or brain damage? If you're engaging in similar games in your personal life, you really need to talk to a doctor, because you're completely uninformed. Breathplay is one of the most dangerous aspects of BDSM, because it can easily turn into snuff.

Whether you'll admit it or not, you're being judgmental and heaping your own personal beliefs onto others. I am sure that Ms Blue, and any other actress who chooses to do choke porn, would appreciate you, and others like you, minding your own business and leaving their lives to them.

There are a lot of things in life I'm agnostic about, but I can safely say I'm only too happy to be judgemental over asphyxiation to the point of blacking out in porn.

 

[weezy97]

the bitch is a slut, who cares about her feelings, Ashley Blue is racist anyways, she is only good for 2 things: sucking dick, and sucking more dick.

 

[Rey C.]

the bitch is a slut, who cares about her feelings, Ashley Blue is racist anyways, she is only good for 2 things: sucking dick, and sucking more dick.

Yeah, she looks pretty racist here.

http://www.nsgalleries.com/hosted1/ns/gals/ashley-blue2/index.php?id=100025

 

[Facial_King]

DreamSparrow is winning the debate, with better arguments.

When it comes to porn, we needn't take an all-or-nothing approach, obviously.

Consent is a very good standard to start with, but it's hardly perfect for every scenario, as DreamSparrow has made clear.

whoremaker, what do you say to those who are against allowing the retarded or mentally ill, or 16-year-olds, to do porn? Don't tell me you start "being judgmental and heaping your own personal beliefs onto others"??? What if someone doesn't feel consent is the least bit important???

 

[DJCowboy]

the bitch is a slut, who cares about her feelings, ashley blue is racist anyways, she is only good for 2 things: sucking dick, and sucking more dick.

She actually isn't a racist. She was on a radio show and they asked her to say something offensive and she made a comment and then it was taken out of context.

 

[whoremaker]

whoremaker, what do you say to those who are against allowing the retarded or mentally ill, or 16-year-olds, to do porn? Don't tell me you start "being judgmental and heaping your own personal beliefs onto others"??? What if someone doesn't feel consent is the least bit important???

Again, an entirely irrational argument and irrelevant post. The mentally ill (who are not the subject, here), 16 year olds (who are also not the subject, here), and retards (again, not the subject here), cannot give their consent to do porn, and so cannot be in porn, and so are irrelevant to this discussion. Ashley Blue, who is not mentally ill (regardless of what you, DreamSparrow or other untrained and non-medical armchair philosophers desire to label her with) nor is underage, can consent, and therefore has as much right to star in choke porn as you do to post ridiculously naive and ignorant comments to porn boards.

Would it help you if I mailed you a picture drawn in crayon? That appears to be the only way to present you with an argument which you can grasp and keep up with.