• Hey, guys! FreeOnes Tube is up and running - see for yourself!
  • FreeOnes Now Listing Male and Trans Performers! More info here!

Are you worried about the economy?

Are you worried about the economy?


  • Total voters
    254

Yeah this is one of the biggest banks in the country it was taken over during the night and then sold off to JP Morgan Chase.Things are happening fast and furious.



In other news the bailout agreement is unraveling.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080926/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown

Bush scrambles to save $700B bailout plan

WASHINGTON - President Bush scrambled Friday to bring rebellious members of his own party behind a multibillion-dollar government bailout of the financial system amid bitter political recriminations from both Democrats and Republicans over collapsed negotiations.

Bush delivered a terse statement from outside the Oval Office of the White House, acknowledging that lawmakers have a right to express their doubts and work through disagreements, but declaring they must "rise to the occassion" and approve a plan to avert an economic meltdown.

"There are disagreements over aspects of the rescue plan," he said, "but there is no disagreement that something substantial must be done. We are going to get a package passed."

On Wall Street, the level of institutional nervousness was palpable, especially after Washington Mutual Inc. became the largest U.S. bank to fail. The Dow Jones industrial average fell more than 100 points, while fears of a deepening economic crisis fed safe-haven buying in Treasury notes.

Earlier Friday, House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank declared that an agreement depends on House Republicans "dropping this revolt" againt the Bush-requested plan.

The Massachusetts Democrat said leading Democrats on Capitol Hill were shocked by the level of divisiveness that surfaced at Thursday's extraordinary White House meeting, leaving six days of intensive efforts to agree on a bailout plan in tatters only hours after key congressional players of both parties had declared they were in accord on the outlines of a $700 billion bill.

Bush decided to speak, and also was in constant contact with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, who was returning to talks with lawmakers, White House press secretary Dana Perino said. Vice President Dick Cheney canceled planned travel Friday to New Mexico and Wyoming to remain in Washington and jawbone lawmakers.

And the campaign season's first face-to-face debate between presidential candidates John McCain and Barack Obama, scheduled for Friday night, was still in doubt."



House republicans and McCain are said to be the main opposition to the agreement in principle that seemed to be had earlier in the day yesterday.Maybe they are right to oppose it,and we will get a better deal or maybe their opposition will lead to the financial crash others are warning off if quick action is not taken.That is something that will be determined.But I do know both of them are playing with real political dynamite.
 
What if that bail out doesn't work?? I see the crowd with pitchforks and torches marching to the Capital and Wall Street.

Hey wasn't that New York former governor that got caught up with some high paying escort, about to expose Wall Street and the housing crisis?
 

om3ga

It's good to be the king...
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Shares of Wachovia Corp and National City Corp tumbled on worries about heavy mortgage losses....

HONG KONG (AFP) — Banking giant HSBC is to cut 1,100 jobs worldwide because of the volatile global financial environment, a spokesman said Friday. The cuts will be made in the global banking and market division, with around half of those losing their jobs in HSBC's British operations, Hong Kong-based spokesman Gareth Hewett said.

Sept. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Marc Faber, managing director of Marc Faber Ltd. in Hong Kong, said the U.S. government's rescue package for the financial system may require as much as $5 trillion, seven times the amount Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has requested.

Meanwhile, on this side of the pond...
Bradford & Bingley, the UK's eight largest mortgage lender, and one of Britain's biggest buy-to-let specialists, has become the latest company to be hit by the mounting crisis in the financial markets and the worsening state of the UK housing market.
City analysts said the bank was unlikely to survive in its current form and one called on it to be nationalised as Northern Rock was last year.

Details:
Bradford & Bingley's future hangs in balance

This is not good, folks and folkesses.....:(
 

Spleen

Banned?
I'm a bit too young and stupid to care.

I plan to just hide under a pile of coats and wait until the whole thing blows over.
 

om3ga

It's good to be the king...
I'm a bit too young and stupid to care.

I plan to just hide under a pile of coats and wait until the whole thing blows over.

Unfortunately playing "Three wise monkeys" won't work. For example:

Every UK household will lose £20,000 (that's $36,841 to our US mates) of pensions savings because of then-Chancellor Gordon Brown’s first tax grabs. British workers has lost more than £500billion after his decision to scrap tax relief on dividends paid into pension funds back in 1997.

Or while the price of gold reached climbs higher & higher, ex-Chancellor Gordon Brown's decision to sell over half of the UK's gold reserves in 1999 (400 tons of gold) has now potentially cost tax payers around £3billion (as of March 2008)...

And don't get me started on the ID cards....:mad:
 
I hauled ass ( out of Cunt_ree) after idiot stole term 2 and ditched all of my U.S. ass___sets.
I could give a shit.
All of these bible thumping, drunken, pistol toters got what they deserved and voted for.
One way trip for this ole boy. :mad:

There are 2 planets in one.
Earth....... and The United States of ignorance.
 
What if that bail out doesn't work?? I see the crowd with pitchforks and torches marching to the Capital and Wall Street.

Hey wasn't that New York former governor that got caught up with some high paying escort, about to expose Wall Street and the housing crisis?

Yes, but he fucked himself (by banging that hot bim)...it wasn't Wall St. slicksters who were able to frame or trap Eliot Spitzer...as much as I'd LOVE to believe that:1orglaugh
 

om3ga

It's good to be the king...
Sept. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Discussions between European, Dutch and Belgian officials on the future of Fortis, Belgium's largest financial-services firm, carried into the evening as they sought a "solution'' for the beleaguered bank.

Dutch central bank chief Nout Wellink and Finance Minister Wouter Bos went to Brussels for talks with the Belgian government and regulators. European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet met with Belgian Prime Minister Yves Leterme and Finance Minister Didier Reynders today.

Fortis fell a record 20 percent in Brussels trading two days ago on concern the firm would struggle to raise the 8.3 billion euros ($12.1 billion) it's seeking to bolster reserves.

Sept. 28 (Bloomberg) -- The U.K. government will step in to protect Bradford & Bingley Plc depositors, Treasury minister Yvette Cooper said, after a report some form of state take over of the British mortgage lender will occur.

Chancellor of the Exchequer Alistair Darling will make a statement before 8 a.m. London time tomorrow outlining the government's plan, which the BBC said would include some form of nationalization. Ministers are working on other options including a partial government takeover, acquisition by a rival bank or a break up and purchase of assets by several buyers.

Bradford & Bingley, the nation's biggest lender to landlords, is the third major British bank to run into trouble since credit markets seized up around the globe last year. Its shares have fallen 93 percent this year. Northern Rock Plc was nationalized in February and HBOS Plc sold itself to Lloyds TSB Group Plc on Sept. 18.
 

om3ga

It's good to be the king...
Apparently the greed feeding this in the US has spread to the UK as well.

Mate, it's global!

A deal to partially nationalise European banking and insurance giant Fortis has been agreed. The move came after talks between the European Central Bank and the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. Ministers from the three countries agreed to put 11.2bn euros ($16.1bn; £8.9bn) into Fortis to save the bank.

Shares in German lender Hypo Real Estate plunged after it struck a loan deal with a consortium of German banks. ts share value fell three-quarters to 3.39 euros, but and in late afternoon trading was down 73.5%, at 3.57 euros.

The Icelandic government has taken control of the country's third-largest bank, Glitnir, after the company faced short-term funding problems. The government has bought a 75% stake in the bank for 600m euros ($860m; £478m) to ensure stability of the bank during the current financial turmoil.

If you add Bradford & Bingley over here in "ye olde Blighty" and Citigroup's purchase of Wachovia, that's pretty serious shit....
 

om3ga

It's good to be the king...
Ukraine, Hungary, and Serbia are all in emergency talks with the International Monetary Fund (IMF)...

More countries are being impacted by this crisis....
 
Well I'm in Thailand. So no. I don't pay U.S. taxes, diversify my $ and don't live there now. What can you do anyway? Can't stop the fools who run the corporations.
 
Yes I am. Im a 21 year old, blue collar, working class American. The economy affects us all one way or another, so we have to make sure the best person is handling it. Well the rich folks ain't worried, maybe about taxes...
 
Actually, no ...

Yes I am. Im a 21 year old, blue collar, working class American. The economy affects us all one way or another, so we have to make sure the best person is handling it. Well the rich folks ain't worried, maybe about taxes...
Actually, no, the rich as in "wealthy" aren't worried, they don't pay income taxes.
And if they don't make investments, and just horde their money, they don't pay "capital gains" either.

I personally love how most Americans now have a 5th grader level understanding of "the rich."
Yes, I think the investment banking houses are slime, but remember the last time we "raised taxes on the rich."

It was any "income earning household" making over $20,000/year. ;)

There is only so much you can raise taxes before it makes so little-to-no dent.
That's why the Clinton-Gore tax increase raised it on anyone making over $20K/year.

Al Gore v. Ross Perot (debate on NAFTA) ...
Perot: "... you raised taxes"
Gore (interrupting): "on the rich"
Perot (finishing with a big smile): "... that was the campaign promise."

Oh man, I wish everyone could watch that debate.
Al Gore lying, at his best, and people saying "Perot was mean!"
No, Perot just caught him in lie after lie. ;)

Let alone Perot was damn right on NAFTA being special interest.
Now the Democrats are distancing themselves from NAFTA, even its biggest proponents.
I personally love how people actually believe the Clinton (both), Gore, etc... were against it.

The last two "leaders" I trusted were Michael Bednarik and Ross Perot.
Don't see anyone running this time that will even remotely solve our problems.
For the most part, our problems are self-inflicted, especially since we look to government in the first place.

Capitalism started dying the '60s and we haven't had it since the early '80s.
 
Prof-
Does it make sense to cut taxes and then take a nation to war? Why do Republicans bother talking about the "deficit" and "leaving trillions of dollars in burden to our kids" when they don't actually believe in paying for policies that help kids (like healthcare and education) when they are kids, and these policies might help train a generation to pay for those future trillion dollar debts?

What does Ross Perot, another rich billionaire, have to do with anything in 2008? So he was against "higher taxes" and I can give you someone richer, Warren Buffet, who believes the top 5% earners can afford to pay more taxes. So, who's right? My guy's richer than your guy? The higher taxes argument from the Pubs is just selfish, anti-Americanism, given the financial calamity our nation is in today and given the double war the Republican Party has our country fighting today. It's empty bullshit talk today. Some towns are laying off firemen, policemen..closing schools...we need revenue.

Companies and the rich don't pay capital gains when they don't make profits. In case you haven't noticed, the Stock market has imploded and cratered. Who has profits to capitalize today?

Unemployment is about to skyrocket in this nation...we might see 13% nationwide by January....couple that with inflation and you have the highest MISERY INDEX since...hmmm......Herbert Hoover?

Do you believe in "Trickle Down" economics, Prof? Do you believe there's a sense of noble largesse among the wealthy elites in this country?

Obama's tax policies are quite clear.
 
Top