Are you for or against same sex marriage?

[McRocket]

Boy, can I start a thread or can I start a thread.

And you can thank/blame Hero 2 for it. Because of his thread about boring threads I decided it was time to spice things up around here. Or at least try.

I am not saying for one second that no one else would have started this thread. But I did and that is why I did...so :tongue:

 

[The Fog]

i will explain to you (and everyone else) why i believe that polygamy (as a form of marriage) is a morality issue, and why the marriage between two people of the same gender is not.
gay or lesbian couples certainly love one another (despite what you believe in this matter) - that i can assure you. and the christian definition of a marriage is that of two individuals, who want to spend the rest of their lives together - based on their equal feelings for one another.
polygamy is something different entirely. how can you possibly love two, or even more women the same way or with the same intensity? i won't say that it doesn't exist, but i'm pretty sure it's extremely rare - especially on a long term base.

Is that the best you have? You don't think someone can love more then one person with the same intensity? How close-minded of you! It just comes down to the fact that you don't like polygamy.

Well, I don't like the idea of gay marriage and I have centuries of history and common sense on my side.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

but fine, let's get back to your original question.
i will explain to you (and everyone else) why i believe that polygamy (as a form of marriage) is a morality issue, and why the marriage between two people of the same gender is not.
gay or lesbian couples certainly love one another (despite what you believe in this matter) - that i can assure you. and the christian definition of a marriage is that of two individuals, who want to spend the rest of their lives together - based on their equal feelings for one another.
polygamy is something different entirely. how can you possibly love two, or even more women the same way or with the same intensity? i won't say that it doesn't exist, but i'm pretty sure it's extremely rare - especially on a long term base.

How can you bash me for my beliefs about gays, and then make those comments about polygamy? You say you know gay people and they love each other unequivacly(sp). Well guess what, I know of two seperate 3 person relationships that have lasted well over 10 years each, and everybody is in love there.

So, if we can chage marriage to two people of the same sex, why can't we change it to allow three or more people? You make no reasonable argument to keep this from happening. It's like saying you can't have more than one kid, because there is no possible way you can love 2 or more children equally. Interesting way of not thinking.

and now look at the nations that favour and practise polygamy. the women's status in those countries is equal to zero ! they're less valuable than a horse or a fucking camel !

Do you know much about the Muslim world? Because quite frankly, in majority of their marriages, the wife has little to no rights or freedoms. So we should out law marriage because of that? Give me a break. Just because a group of people practice something one way, doesn't mean that's how everyone will. By saying polygamy is wrong, but gay marriage is right, is down contradictive.

 

[McRocket]

Is that the best you have? You don't think someone can love more then one person with the same intensity? How close-minded of you! It just comes down to the fact that you don't like polygamy.

Well, I don't like the idea of gay marriage and I have centuries of history and common sense on my side.

I like polygamy. Where can I sign up. WHere can I have two gorgeuos women that want nothing more in life then to please me. I would love that.

But, please do not tell me that I would respect them for doing that. Why on earth would you want to share someone you loved with someone else?

I cannot prove it. But I guarantee you that the average person that is the single has a far stronger personality then the two that are the significant other(s). Just examine poligamist towns in North America (one is in British Columbia, Canada). Please do not tell me that the women are the dominant sex in those cultures.


BTW...not that this bothers me in the slightest. But I can see this thread changing. I love it...but I wonder how long the mods will let it go...perhaps we should bribe them with compliments to keep them happy.

I love mods. Well I love female ones. Well...I love female ones that are attractive. Well, I love their appearance anyway - if they are attractive.

There.

I DO respect mods though. Like cops they have a thankless job.

So...thank you.

 

[LetoII]

MAN..that is ALOT of subjects. ANd I am not exactly sure whaat you are protesting.

One; I am not gay. So I started this thread not for personal gain.

Two; how is it your business what a gay union is called? people get into arranged marriages with no love at all.
Why are you so hung up on the word marriage? Who cares what it's called? WHy do you care so much?

Most of your other points (that I understood) I have little problem with - I think.

very well put, man. i'd also like to add that most of the hetero couples don't even decide for a churchly marriage. so if the christian definition of marriage doesn't have to apply to them, why does it HAVE to apply to homosexuals ???

 

[McRocket]

very well put, man. i'd also like to add that most of the hetero couples don't even decide for a churchly marriage. so if the christian definition of marriage doesn't have to apply to them, why does it HAVE to apply to homosexuals ???

Good point.

 

[member2686]

Dirty Sanchez, why is it o.k. for a woman and a man to engage in sodomy (anal and oral) and not a man and a man, or a woman and another woman? I find it funny that a guy with a USER ID of Dirty Sanchez should be anti-gay rights/equality, since gay sex is ALL sodomy (no penis/vagina intercourse). Anyway...

"Homos?" Nice comment. Not.

 

[McRocket]

How can you bash me for my beliefs about gays, and then make those comments about polygamy? You say you know gay people and they love each other unequivacly(sp). Well guess what, I know of two seperate 3 person relationships that have lasted well over 10 years each, and everybody is in love there.

Gee, now why does that not shock me.

No offense, but I could not figure out why one would raise such a relatively rare subject (polygamy) unless it directly impacted their life to some extent.

 

[The Fog]

I am curious. To all the heteros here who are in favor of gay marriage, if a doctor could tell you before you got your wife pregnant or before you got pregnant, that he could guarantee the sexual preference of your child, would any of you say, go ahead, give me the gay pill? I want to have a homosexual child. I know this is a little off point but I am curious.

 

[stark]

very well put, man. i'd also like to add that most of the hetero couples don't even decide for a churchly marriage. so if the christian definition of marriage doesn't have to apply to them, why does it HAVE to apply to homosexuals ???

I think it comes back about taxing and legal issues, if it wasn't for that, what else would encourage you to claim marriage? would you do it only for the glory of telling the rest of the world that someone belongs to you? I don't think that placing a label over people will make them yours.

Now... it's all in our minds, maybe someday we'll overcome these paradigms, and remember... there's not only one religion or definition of marriage, and definitions can always be broadened for a better conception, let's break the chains christian rhetoric has imposed us... it has been shown repeatedly trough history how wrong the constrained concepts of christianity have been for centuries... The one I liked the most was the case in which the Pope forgave Galileo in the 90's and updated christianity by saying that the big-bang theory was in agreement with christian religion... (I wonder what happens now with M-theory )

Like the topic about same sex marriage there is a large list of topics that would need open minded people, but as always... you can accept everything as long as it is in pro of human welfare, just like nuclear theory... it can be used for building horrendous bombs or for atomic energy... you decide

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Gee, now why does that not shock me.

No offense, but I could not figure out why one would raise such a relatively rare subject (polygamy) unless it directly impacted their life to some extent.

It doesn't effect my life in the slightest, I just used it to prove how closed minded some are.

And to say when speaking of changing the definition of marriage that polygamy is rare, further proves that you are grasping at straws when try to prove your thoughts.

Dirty Sanchez, why is it o.k. for a woman and a man to engage in sodomy (anal and oral) and not a man and a man, or a woman and another woman?

Well, if you could read, I've said over and over again that I don't care if you want to be gay. And I have said over and over again, that gays can have their union, but they shouldn't be allowed to call it marriage.

I find it funny that a guy with a USER ID of Dirty Sanchez should be anti-gay rights/equality, since gay sex is ALL sodomy (no penis/vagina intercourse).
Anyway...

And my used ID on a porn board has some barring on what I think. Now, you are grasping.

"Homos?" Nice comment. Not.

Yes, its a short term for HOMOSexual.

 

[McRocket]

I am curious. To all the heteros here who are in favor of gay marriage, if a doctor could tell you before you got your wife pregnant or before you got pregnant, that he could guarantee the sexual preference of your child, would any of you say, go ahead, give me the gay pill? I want to have a homosexual child. I know this is a little off point but I am curious.

Interesting question.

No. I would not want a gay child. Life is hard enough as it is...and him/her being gay could make it just that much more complicated then if they were 'straight'.
Also, I do not think it's such a great thing. IF everyone was gay - the world would end. Especially before artificial encemination (darn my spelling SUCKS).
I think homosexuality is a slight birth defect. I think those that were born gay are not 'perfect' humans.
But I also think that there are no perfect humans. Look in the mirror - are you perfect in every way? If you say yes you are ignorant.
We all (imo) have birth defects. All of us. Having the heterosexual gene (or whatever it is) turned off is simply another birth defect.

But that makes those people no different then us. They just have a more apparent 'gene' difference then 'most' people. And maybe the word should be birth 'difference', rather then birth 'defect'.

I have a feeling I am going to get jumped on for this post...oh well, bring it on, I guess.

 

[McRocket]

It doesn't effect my life in the slightest, I just used it to prove how closed minded some are.

And to say when speaking of changing the definition of marriage that polygamy is rare, further proves that you are grasping at straws when try to prove your thoughts.

Polygamy is not rare. Well, It is illegal in Canada (isn't it?); so around here, that makes it rare. Or am I missing something?

And even if it were legal - I still think it would be exceedingly rare. What evidence to the contrary do you have?

 

[stark]

I am curious. To all the heteros here who are in favor of gay marriage, if a doctor could tell you before you got your wife pregnant or before you got pregnant, that he could guarantee the sexual preference of your child, would any of you say, go ahead, give me the gay pill? I want to have a homosexual child. I know this is a little off point but I am curious.

I think that using that gay-pill would be a terrible way to bias your child's freedom to choose, I think that when a child is born he/she must be given the freedom to acknowledge the world with his own eyes and take the decitions he/she considers more apropriate, of course with some guidance that provides him/her with the ability to see the consequences of his acts, and lets the child understand that in NO way he/she should harm anyone with his / her actions.

 

[The Fog]

Interesting question.

No. I would not want a gay child. Life is hard enough as it is...and him/her being gay could make it just that much more complicated then if they were 'straight'.
Also, I do not think it's such a great thing. IF everyone was gay - the world would end. Especially before artificial encemination (darn my spelling SUCKS).
I think homosexuality is a slight birth defect. I think those that were born gay are not 'perfect' humans.
But I also think that there are no perfect humans. Look in the mirror - are you perfect in every way? If you say yes you are ignorant.
We all (imo) have birth defects. All of us. Having the heterosexual gene (or whatever it is) turned off is simply another birth defect.

But that makes those people no different then us. They just have a more apparent 'gene' difference then 'most' people. And maybe the word should be birth 'difference', rather then birth 'defect'.

I have a feeling I am going to get jumped on for this post...oh well, bring it on, I guess.

I won't jump on you! I will agree with you. Homosexuality is a defect. It needn't be a defect that stops one from living a fulfilling life in other ways. And I am certainly not in favor of putting little pink stars on homosexuals and carting them off. I would fight to stop that! However, I am in favor of recognizing homosexuality for what it is and having the marriage laws of my society also recognize the obvious differences.

 

[McRocket]

I won't jump on you! I will agree with you. Homosexuality is a defect. It needn't be a defect that stops one from living a fulfilling life in other ways. And I am certainly not in favor of putting little pink stars on homosexuals and carting them off. I would fight to stop that! However, I am in favor of recognizing homosexuality for what it is and having the marriage laws of my society also recognize the obvious differences.

Who says that marriage has to be between a man and a woman? Who says that?

We all have differences. They are not taken into account when a marriage certificate is issued; why should homosexuality be?

Tell me how the world would be hurt IN ANY WAY if gays can marry each other?

JUST ONE WAY.

Tell me how the quality of anyone else's lives would be damaged in any way?

 

[LetoII]

Is that the best you have? You don't think someone can love more then one person with the same intensity?

never said that !!! i said that i don't believe that you can love two different WOMEN the same WAY, or with the same intensity. and don't you tell me that a heterosexual man's relationship to a desired woman ain't unique (same goes for homosexuals btw)! i also said that there ARE exceptions, but i don't believe in it in a large scale.

How close-minded of you! It just comes down to the fact that you don't like polygamy.

once more: never said that !!! i don't mind polygamy, as long as people manage to practise it without hurting each other, and as long as no one gets humiliated, which is definitely the case in some cultures. i was merely pointing out that, according to christian principles, which so many people keep pondering on in this matter, polygamy in marriage definitely raises more morality issues than heterosexual marriages !

my intention was to show Dirty Sanchez, that his comparison between polygamy and homosexuality was invalid, in this case.

READ CAREFULLY before you call someone close-minded !!!

 

[The Fog]

Who says that marriage has to be between a man and a woman? Who says that?

We all have differences. They are not taken into account when a marriage certificate is issued; why should homosexuality be?

Tell me how the world would be hurt IN ANY WAY if gays can marry each other?

JUST ONE WAY.

Tell me how the quality of anyone else's lives would be damaged in any way?

Who says that marriage has to be between two people? Tell me how the world would be hurt if polygamy was legal everywhere?

We are starting to go around in circles here.

 

[The Fog]

LetoII, I stand by my post to you.

 

[stark]

I just read the news... Spain has also made legal gay marriages today

CNN article