Now some folks out here have their beliefs on this subject...but let us think for a minute. Vast majorities of the worlds populace are into some form of organized religion. But what if the whole concept of that never exsisted. Just what if as individuals, we believed in our own form of religion/spirituallity, or nothing. What are your thoughts on this subject? Do you think the world would be a better place or worse?
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A World Without Organized Religion
- Thread starter LukeEl
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Ace Bandage
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Haven't we covered this already? The results are in bold.
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
Islam is the real threat, not other sects. Islam should be wiped out from the planet, then we would have peace. And anybody that says Bush went into Iraq in the name of Christianity needs their head examined. It was areligious and pro-"freedom."
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Seems like a better world.
Just ask the Castrati
Just ask the Castrati
Ace Bandage
The one and only.
I PRAY that Michigan State wins nine games!
Me too. And only nine games. In basketball.
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You are being very selective in your arguement and IMO it has no basis in fact if you look at history.Lets just take for instance all the carnage seen in the last century,two world wars and the developement of new potentially humanity killing weapons like the A bomb.It was western mainly christian countries that were responsible for all that.And to this day it's still the west led by the US who spends the most on weapons and armaments and has the huge stock piles of nuclear weapons.So to say it's somebody else who is the real danger is just showing bias IMO.Nobody else but the US has armies on the other side of the world,maybe when the cold war was on and the USSR was doing similar that could be defended, but now we are alone in being a heavy handed imperialististic power that uses it's military to enforce our policys on others.
On and BTW the world we be much better off if we shed these ancient ridiculous beleif systems called religions.
Hitler was an athiest, and he wasn't what you could call the most peace loving person in the world. Without religion there would still be wars. They would just be fought for the bigwigs to gain more power over the little people.
Mayhem
Banned
Of course. Look at the worst of 2009 dictators. These guys aren't a bunch of Western Chrstian types:
http://www.parade.com/dictators/2009/
And who could forget the worst mass murderers in history who've killed more people than "Christian" (like FOMM claims) USA and the West: Stalin, Mao and of course Hitler. Just look at the top two alone in Zedong and Stalin: :surprise:
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html
Sorry FOMM, you lose this battle.
War has and always be here - religion or none. In fact, it will only get worse now with famine and land as we only continue to grow.Whether Hitler was an atheist or not is debatable, but what can be said pretty categorically is that he used faith in order to bolster his political ideology this is of course against the Jews and with the majority of the Catholic population of Germany at the time. Hitler spoke of "a God" often, both of the power of this being and its need to fight off the atheist oppressors of Soviet Russia - like I say whether or not he truly believed on one really doesn't matter, a deity was used in order to carry out and achieve a goal.
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So to say that he was fundamentally an atheist and his atheist mindset allowed him to achieve what he did is somewhat fallacious because it is not the public image he chose to give himself with when he needed to gain control of the masses. Of course this can all also be said of a number of leaders who knew the power of the faith their public held who would do anything for them and then used it to their own advantage politically.
But this really isn't the point, while it cannot be denied that religion can be a part of war and violence of which you could run off numerous examples it would be foolish to equate religion as the only cause. Power, land, natural resources and wealth are all major reasons for the push to war - there are others of course but at the moment this point really doesn't need further clarification. So in light of this and as the OP asks would there really be all that much difference between that world without religion and our own? We can speculate and list a few examples where bloodshed "might" not have been spilt but then again we have to think about where it could. Until we get over the mentality that our nations are our very own tribes then there really isn't going to be any less death in the world and even then whose to say there won't. Human nature is human nature, group think is just one small part of it.
http://cantkeepquiet.com/wp-content/pictures/beltbuckle.gif
So to say that he was fundamentally an atheist and his atheist mindset allowed him to achieve what he did is somewhat fallacious because it is not the public image he chose to give himself with when he needed to gain control of the masses. Of course this can all also be said of a number of leaders who knew the power of the faith their public held who would do anything for them and then used it to their own advantage politically.
But this really isn't the point, while it cannot be denied that religion can be a part of war and violence of which you could run off numerous examples it would be foolish to equate religion as the only cause. Power, land, natural resources and wealth are all major reasons for the push to war - there are others of course but at the moment this point really doesn't need further clarification. So in light of this and as the OP asks would there really be all that much difference between that world without religion and our own? We can speculate and list a few examples where bloodshed "might" not have been spilt but then again we have to think about where it could. Until we get over the mentality that our nations are our very own tribes then there really isn't going to be any less death in the world and even then whose to say there won't. Human nature is human nature, group think is just one small part of it.
Thank you for an articulate post for a change. :1orglaugh
So what we see here in the examples I've provided above yours (and what you articulated) is that a leader can PERVERT a religion. However, let this be known via my case studies that it most always tends to be Islamic or even Communistic characters, not those of the Christian (Western) persuasion.
Since Bush said "he prays," that gave the fanatics an opening to label what has now become a quagmire, a quagmire instigated by religious (namely Christian") ideology. This is not the case. I've said before some of the best people I've met have been Chrstian. I'm not going to preach, just sayin'. :hatsoff:
Mayhem
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JayJohn85
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Its a tool to be used over weak minded fools.....That's what I draw from marx's statement "religion is the opium of the masses"
By that admission you can't really fault it, Nay it be the men/leaders that are at fault.
"All religions have been made by men" Napolean Bonaparte
If there was ever a true genuine message and it was divine, Humanity has had centuries to royally fuck it up. Opportunists, power hungry folks and also sociopaths have hidden behind the veil of it.
Its also a excellent rallying point to enhance your ideological goals and polarise people hence why every two bit dictator probably has at one point used it to validate there way.
But for all that it does have its good points which I don't feel I need to list, Its common sense(usually conveniently ignored btw as them very points arent expedient towards whacking folks)....And I ain't even a believer....But guys above are right we will find other reasons and new nut cases will sprout up expunging various new "reasons" why thy must slay thy fellow man.
Which is what I would usually think, Only.....The sea is going to eat us all.
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